Schwarzenegger Endorses Stem Cell Research

[complain jane]

Schwarzenegger backs stem cell plan
Governor bucks GOP to endorse bond to fund research
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 Posted: 10:29 AM EDT (1429 GMT)

SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has endorsed a $3 billion bond measure that would fund human embryonic stem cell research, a move that bucks Republican leaders and threatens to further strain the state's budget.

"California has always been a pioneer," Schwarzenegger said Monday. "We daringly led the way for the high-tech industry and now voters can help ensure we lead the way for the biotech industry."

The endorsement of the stem cell research measure comes at some political risk for the governor, who campaigned against California going deeper into debt when he unseated Gray Davis as governor in last year's recall election.

The endorsement also will put Schwarzenegger at odds with the state Republican Party, which officially opposes Proposition 71, and perhaps the Bush administration, which has limited federal funding of the research.

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/19/schwarzenegger.stem.ap/index.html

[lil-petunia]

1. so the guy marries up; misses sex for two weeks, and says, "Hey

honey, what if I approved stem cell research for CA? Could I get a hummer, please?"

At least it got him out of the dog house with the wife. Plus, millions around the world will benefit from real science, not religious mopery.

[eleny]

3. I feel that we're being suckered by this

Arnold wants to be president. So, he approves something that the left wing wants. The Bush administration doesn't really care about religion but only panders to the fundies. And they do want Arnold to be president some day.

I have a queasy feeling that this is theatre and I'm not clapping. At least not yet.

[2ndPlatoon]

19. I don't think Arnold can become President

and I fail to see the vicious conspiracy theory here. I think he knows the research is the right thing. I am happy he believes it is right. I support him on this decision.

[theboss]

21. He'd better get moving on that Amendment then

At the moment, Arnold can't - under the Constitution - become President.

[daydreamer]

2. Arnod

Because of his bigoted speech at RNC, I do not like him regardless what he does. He is an opportunist.

[MaryBear]

4. Yay!

For those among us with progressive degenerative conditions such as
Parkinson's Disease, Stem Cell Research offers the hope of healthy productive years.

Thank you, Ahnold, for choosing life and voting Yes for stem cell research.

[TaleWgnDg]

5. for Governor Schwarzenegger to endorse a $3 billion bond . .

that would help fund human embryonic stem cell research in the State of California is shrewd -- a very shrewd economic move for California!

Each state, state-by-state has this option: shall it pick up corporate benefit (including employment) for medical research w/i its state borders? Some states have opted to do so, California is one and California is going further by opting for this extensive funding.

Arnie is on the correct side in this issue. Arnie has listened to his wife Maria Shriver Schwarzenegger whose father Sargent Shriver is suffering from the beginnings of Alzheimer's Disease.


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edited to add: as a resident of Massachusetts, whose state is in competition with California in many economic areas, I believe our own Governor Mitt Romney should also do similar as does Governor Schwartzenegger in his $3 billion bond proposal . . . but for one minor issue: Mitt Romney is a devout Mormon, a past bishop w/i his faith and leader of the Mormon faith in the northeast; thus, I strongly doubt, sadly, that Romney will put his political clout into an area that is opposed to his religious beliefs.

[seventhson]

6. For better or worse I am pleased about this

At least Arnie is not a fundie on this issue and that is a good thing.

There are a FEW good decent human beings who are Republicans and many of them will vote against Bush in two weeks.

[GoethesFaust]

7. talking to Germany

Hi together!

I wantet to make up my own thread but as I am a newbie here I wasn´t allowed. So I use this thread.

I am from Germany and I am interestet on talking to Americans regarding their view of Europe, war on Iraq, your country and so on because I like to hear different points of view to make up your own mind and not to relate on TV or the papers. Of course I would be glad to answer your questions regarding Germany as well!

So first I wanted to check out if someone is interestet to do so (first I looked at celiberal.com but I decided very quickly...hmmmm....that on isn´t a good forum for discussions....).

Please excuse my English...it is some years ago I used it for business ;)

Looking forward to your answers...regards from Germany
GF

[ronnykmarshall]

8. Welcome to DU, GF!!

So what do germans think of Bush?

[GoethesFaust]

10. Bush

Bush is connected with the war on Iraq in the minds of the Germans. So what the Germans think of Bush is what they believe the reasons for the war to be. Many of us - I would say the majority - think it was just a ride for oil. Therefore many people have doubts regarding 09-11 but of course no one is really sure about the backgrounds.

Anyway, as we do not believe the war was for liberty and placing a democracy there we believe Bush just wants to secure access on oil around the world. So many do not see Bush as a reliable politician or even a good partner.

On the other side some have doubts on the papers here in Germany as they consider Kanzler Schröder and the party SPD/Grüne as extreme left winged - not to say neo-communistic (hope that word does exist ;) and that Bush basing is a good way for them to present themselfes as an oportune choice for an independent Germany.

You see there are different opinions regarding Bush. I wold say the mainstream is against Bush.

GF

[Beaverhausen]

12. Welcome to DU!

and thanks for that report on the German attitude toward Bush.

:hi:

[GoethesFaust]

14. Thank you :) /nt

[daydreamer]

11. Communists

Why would they think Schröder is a Communist when he is the guy who initiated the Hartz reform and the medical insurance reform?

[GoethesFaust]

13. It is due to their history. Many of them...

...have a background in left wing groups - partial extreme left. For instance Joschka Fischer was a leader of a left wing combat group in his earlier days. These guys attacked cops with molotov cocktails for political reasons. Of course Mr Fischer today denies any connection with aggressive action.

There are many other politicians - especially the ones from Die Grünen/Bündnis 90 who have a left wing background. These persons gouvern Germany today. So it might be that they try to change some things in Germany to make their 68er thoughts real. Of course a person can change its opinion within the years, but so many?

On the other side everyone how talks in a nationalistic (I mean a normal positive national thinking - no racism or so) is gonna be fired and outlawed by them (is this democracy?). An good example is Martin Hohmann and General Günzel. Perhaps there are translations of Hohmann´s speech and their interviews in the net? Would be worth reading it.

Regarding Hartz 4: It is a desaster so far. No one wants to work for additional 1,- - 3,- EUR per hour. So below 10% of these new jobs have been given to the unemployed persons. And there is a big danger: Many companies will like to get these cheap persons for their work. So you will get a 2 class job market. That´s bad.

Regarding the health system: The quarterly fee for visiting the doctor is fine with me so far. But all of the rest just means pay more get less wich supports the downward economic trend on the inner market of Germany. What makes the people angry is that we support millions and millions of turkish and russian people who come and came to Germany. We absolutely do not have the money for it but we spend it. And we spend it out of sources which only should be for the support of the ones who payed for it their whole working life.

This is one of the reasons why two extreme right winged parties got up to 9 % of the votes during a state election in Eastern Germany. Of course this is not a good development and be sure most of the Germans are against it. But it is a democratic message from the people to our current politicians: Do more for us. Solve the growing problems.

By the way: Germanies debts grow by appr. 2500,- EUR each second!

GF

[daydreamer]

15. quarterly fee

of 10 Euro is a joke. Let them pay $700 a month for medical insurance for a family of 4 like here in America and see how they scream and cry. Germans are too spoiled. Cut them off the welfare system and plenty are willing to work for additional 1 Euro an hour. I thought die Türken sind Gastarbeiters. They contributed and are contributing to the German economy. Germans need to learn from their history and never let the ugly racism get the upper hand again.

This is how the US debt is growing: http://www.toptips.com/debtclock.html

[GoethesFaust]

16. You mix up different things

10,- EUR are in addition to an average of 14 % of your gross income for health insurance (which is divided by the companies and the employees 50/50 at the moment - with a trend to put more on the side of the employees). And it seems to work. Doctor visits are decreasing since that.

But I agree in total that the welfare system has to be cut more. It is necessary to decrease the working costs at the same time to make work cheaper. But they do not do so as they do not have the money to finance it. So from a good idea a bad circle remains.

The turkish people were guest workers during the 70s. But more and more they decided to stay in Germany and to live here. This is ok so far. The problem is, that most of them are not willing to integrate themselfs. Today you have turkish people who are living here for 30 years and they cannot speak one clear sentence in German. There are big parts in the cities with a foreign people part of over 90 % and even the police stays out at night. Not to mention the religious part, which becomes more and more a problem.

This is not a problem of Germany only. The Netherland or France face the same problems. And it has nothing to do with the German history during WW I & II.

GF

[daydreamer]

17. So are you leaning to SPD or CDU?

So you are saying Arbeitsnehmer pay 7% and Arbeitsgeber 7% of the gross income. That is not bad at all. We pay more here and still have over $2000 deductables and copays every year.

Funny here, the article in der Welt translated "fair game" into "Freiwild":http://www.welt.de/data/2004/10/21/348876.html

[GoethesFaust]

22. Neither of them

If SPD or CDU were my only choice I would prefer CDU. For my opinion the ÖDP (you can translate it as ecologic-democratic-party) is better. But unfortunately the scratch around 1% and you need at least 5% to become a political player in Germany.

GF

[newyawker99]

20. Hi GoethesFaust!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[GoethesFaust]

23. Cheers! :) /nt

[Emboldened Chimp]

9. I'll give credit where credit is due

Schwarzenegger is correct on this one. It will help spawn a new industry (a plus for the economy) that will hopefully lead to cures for our most insidious diseases. Props to Herr Groper for coming down on the right side of this issue.

Now resign, fuck face.

[IronElder]

18. Arnold is a businessman first and Governator second

As an aging bodybuilder I can tell you that he is all about business and is worth 800 million so if he is for Stem cell research then he wants to buy into the stock. He like bush would never miss the chance to line his pockets.