"I think I just got passed on my left" Dean referring to Buchanan

[madfloridian]

Dean, Buchanan call for new approaches

http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/10/20/417608dba24e2

SNIP...."in a sold-out Irvine Auditorium event last night, former Democratic Vermont Gov. Howard Dean and former Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan turned a potentially contentious debate into a friendly discussion.

Dean and Buchanan expressed surprisingly similar views on many prominent issues in the upcoming election.

"It was weird," said Wharton freshman Eric Hoffman, one of the approximately 1,000 student attendees. "I've never seen such a right-wing Christian fundamentalist agree with Howard Dean on so many issues."

Even Dean marveled at how much the two saw eye-to-eye.
"I think I just got passed on my left," Dean said in response to one of Buchanan's more liberal statements. He later added, "I'm frightened by how much I agree with Pat Buchanan today."

Of course they do not agree on many issues. Dean on Kerry:
"I don't think the president is credible, and I don't trust him,"
Dean said. "I believe John Kerry will beat George Bush, because people will not tolerate a president who is not truthful."

[aden_nak]

1. Buchanan is a scary human being. . . BUT!

But, he's also a "real" conservative, in just about every aspect of that definition. Most of what he's said that I agree with lately has to do with our President's complete and total failure to use his office to serve the people of America. Bush and his gang aren't even really conservatives, they are NeoCon psychopaths.

Any real conservative wouldn't stand for Bush's budgets, wouldn't stand for using US troops to engage in foreign wars, wouldn't stand for the bloating of the government in order to insulate the administration from the people it represents. While I don't find myself in agreement with what Buchanan wants IN PLACE of George W. Bush, it is telling that those on the left, and those who still remember what it means to be on the right, think this prick and his hegemony of hatchetmen need to go.

The enemy of my enemy. . . you know how it is.

[JHB]

2. I don't think he's a fundamentalist, either...

...closer to the "Mel Gibson wing" of Catholics.

Not that that's a good thing, but sweating the details on little points like that is something we need to do.

[sofa king]

14. Very Catholic

I attended a wedding with him and his immediate family. They're as old school as you can get without wearing Inquisitor hats.

[Eloriel]

17. Ouch!

That hurt.

Actually, Buchanan is someone I can respect for (a) his "true" conservative positions (even if I don't agree with all of them) and (b) speaking his truth (most of the time -- more than most on the left, I think). I have enormous respect for the fact that he spoke up loudly and often against the war.

I do not, of course, respect the fact that he wants to impose certain tenets of his faith on the whole population (make abortion illegal), but I'm willing to give him props for other stuff.

[hlthe2b]

3. Buchanan may be racist and detestable on many issues, but...

at least he is honest enough to be candid about his views. He still has some personal honor and integrity--saying what he truly believes and means. This alone makes him stand out from the rest of the RW ilck.

[sangh0]

4. And Hitler was also candid about his views

so I guess Hitler had "personal honor and integrity". After all, what's more "honorable" than genocide?

[hlthe2b]

8. Better to know what someone has in mind... than to have to

convince the world of their 'secret intentions,' as has been the case with Bush* et al....

[sangh0]

9. I agree, but I won't call it "personal integrity"

Buchanon is not principled and has no integrity. I don't care how consistent he's been.

[aden_nak]

6. I'd rather have a "crazy" that admits it. So we know who they are.

[sangh0]

10. But that's not a sign of "personal integrity"

and being openly crazy is not something DUers should admire.

[hlthe2b]

5. Re: Dean

I really liked him during the primaries, but lately he has added even more to my impression of him. I hope he serves in this administration and helps us clean up the medicaare/health insurance debacle. Then, I hope he may run again. I think he just "peaked" too soon and intimidated the hell out of the media and movers/shakers of the Dem leadership--both who appear to have sabotaged him. He's certainly earned a reappraisal IMO.

[Eloriel]

18. Well, you got it partially right

He didn't peak too soon, but he DID get sabotaged by his own party.

[maxsolomon]

7. the political spectrum isn't a line graph

its a circle, and the further you go right or left the closer you come to the place called populism.

[Cat Atomic]

11. Remember when Buchanan was the extremist?

He hasn't changed. The political climate has. Eery.

[Cocoa]

12. I can't stand how Buchanan is tolerated

why is he tolearted, and even celebrated, in the mainstream, even to the point of having his own show, and people like Dennis Kucinich are marginalized?

:mad:

[Gabi Hayes]

13. ''because people will not tolerate a president who is not truthful."''

this is SO sad

because they WAITED WAY TOO LONG to start using it.

the public had three years of media saying what an honest straight shooter this pathological liar is.

and the chickenshit dems were too SCARED to say about him, truthfully, what the pugs did to Clinton for EIGHT YEARS.

if they'd FORCE the media to cover his 24/7 mendacity, the elction would be long over by now

Achordate Party descendent

[MADem]

15. I would have loved to have seen that discussion!

Buchanan is a little fascist, but unlike weecowboy, he can speak in articulate, complete sentences. And I still wonder, despite his denials, if he was the fellow smoking cigarettes with scotch on his breath in that parking garage during the Nixon era....

[madfloridian]

16. I think many have wondered.

:hi: