What this country needs is REAL investigative journalists like . . .

[ET Awful]

Sydney Schanberg (if you're not familiar with his work, I highly recommend checking out The Killing Fields).

I hadn't thought about the guy in a LONG time until I ran across the DVD Of the Killing Fields while I was cleaning up my collection.

We need journalists like him that aren't afraid to put their life on the line and aren't afraid to publish the truth. He was putting front page stories in the NY Times about bombing runs into Cambodia while the military was still denying that it was happening.

If we had real journalists like that today, maybe people would have a better impression of what's really happening in Iraq.

[knowbody0]

1. go to reporters without boarders

[ET Awful]

2. Yes, but I'm talking about mainstream journalists whose work

is splashed on the front pages of national papers.

We're talking real journalism that you don't have to hunt to find, but it confronts you every time you see the paper.

[sweetheart]

3. and as well...

this site is run by some seriously excellent journalists:

www.tenc.net

This book is by a journalist, and his critique of american society,
at the end of the whole long essay, is that journalism is seriously
lacking. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0062515519/qid=1098317652/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-5983907-7772835?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

As well, Greg Palast, www.gregpalast.com says he can't do investigative jouralism from inside the USA, as his work will be
censored.

[ET Awful]

4. I'd have to differ insofar as the tenc.net site goes . . .

Any group who has as one of their lead articles a story denying that the occupid territories are indeed occupied territories immediately falls way down on the credibility scale.

[sweetheart]

6. did you read the whole article

I think you'll find that jared israel does very in depth looks at
what the public media report, and dares do disagree.

He has sources for every opinion expressed. Are you disagreeing
on substance or appearance?

[ET Awful]

7. Yes I did read it.

When a "journalist" attempts to mislead me into believing that the Palestinian people aren't living under occupation and aren't repressed in any way, I have to disagree.

I'd be much more likely to believe reports coming from Amnesty International than to believe someone who pretends that the Palestinian people are by and large free of Israeli control and influence.

It is simply a propagandized article attempting to lead the reader into believing a skewed and biased viewpoint.

[sweetheart]

8. And that is why it is independent journalism

The stories on Tenc are non-consensual.

There are some interesting details in the article, well researched,
and you disagree... although there is no denial that the territories
are not occupied. It rather fleshes out some detail that is not
covered elsewhere.

If you read the article on michel moore's movie, they rip moore a
new asshole by being real investigative journalists and taking his
accounts to task (and his fiction).

As well, the article on slodoban's trial, is another... all of these
topics too "hot" for mainstream media to probe.

I think you want foregone conclusions, not investigative journalism.

[ET Awful]

9. You're confusing propaganda with journalism. n/t

[sweetheart]

10. Be specific

Which facts do you dispute? Was it the headline? Is it the
employment numbers they use? You don't like the headline, ok... but
the article discusses the facts of west bank migration prior to
the current infitada. All journalists have opinions, and if you
read the full spectrum of articles on this site, i think you'll find,
that they are obviously jewish liberals who back it... people who
we would embrace here at DU.

In the michael moore piece, what specific refutation of his
journalism citing sources was incorrect?

Frankly, I really hate even "thinking" about palestine, as the
entire topic is divisive. Everyone is spinning for their side in a
sickening situation. So your comments got me towards thinking about
it this afternoon (european time), and, given the situation on the
ground today, i don't think the 2 state solution is viable any more.
I think they should have 1 state, Palestisrael, incorporating the
west bank and gaza. All people should be given full citizenship
rights and representation in the government. You're right, the
occupied territories situation is disgusting, and it makes me want
to barf, every time i hear about this israeli abuse of power.

That said, this independent jouranlist got me to think about it, and
that is the value.

I read a revisionist history on israel, and there is little ground
to be made arguing against the zionists, as they are motivated by
centuries of horrible crimes against them in europe and russia.
So, the whole situation starts out with "victems" and more "victems"
And where does it end. At some point, we have to stop accepting
the victem excuse and sort this one out.

I genuinely believe that the israeli mess is the heart and center of
sorting out the global war of terrorism FOR REAL... and if we could
get that one healed, the entire world would move on to a better life.

peace,
-s

[serryjw]

11. I'm sure Greg is correct......

I often wonder WHY they have allowed Bill Moyer to be so out there.He is probably the only IJ inside the US whom was telling truth 2 years ago.

[RoyGBiv]

5. The problem is ...

Those kinds of journalists *are* out there, but the journalists themselves do not control what does and does not get published. They do the work, often at their own expense, but it only sees the light of day once an editor has toned it down. In other cases, these journalists use the Internet to inform the public, but it is dismissed or ignored by major media.

If you think about it, we on DU encounter these real journalists every single day. They are why *we* know things.