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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:31 PM
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Ballots w. wrong dates, & with no ovals to fill in: what really happened
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 10:59 PM by BevHarris
more info about voting at http://www.blackboxvoting.org

The real story behind the October ballot problems
By Andy Stephenson, Thu, 10/21/2004

Black Box Voting has obtained documents from June 2004 indicating that Diebold was concerned about upcoming ballot printing problems. Recent problems in California (Alameda, San Diego and Tulare counties) and Washington state (King County) appear to trace back to labor problems at the Diebold printing plant in Everett Washington.

Black Box Voting warned of Diebold’s impending problems with ballot-printing in July. Internal documents (pdf., pg. 5-8) from Diebold describe severe labor problems in its printing facility.

Diebold’s printshop employees had filed a petition to join the Teamsters Union. Diebold tried to break the unionization effort by hiring a “persuader” and investigating some of its employees, with its finger coming to rest on a young man named Justin Elder (sources inside the printshop tell us that Diebold fingered the wrong guy). Around this time, Diebold terminated many of its experienced printshop employees, and others quit. Diebold replaced them with temps and inexperienced workers.

Black Box Voting has learned of several complaints about the conditions inside the Diebold printing plant, and the management report indicates that Diebold was aware of severe problems with morale.

Diebold insiders predicted that ballot printing problems would begin surfacing by Sept. 27, manifesting themselves publicly around Oct 18 when absentee ballots are sent out. It appears they were right:

- Ballots for Alameda County, California, were reportedly printed incorrectly not once, but twice, causing extra stress for Alameda and delays in the printing queue.

- According to Seattle’s KING 5 TV news, King County received ballots missing the ovals, which are marked to cast a vote. Without the ovals, King County optical scan machines cannot read the ballots. This problem almost certainly traces back to the Diebold printing plant, and is probably due to a machine that was not maintained properly.

Diebold employees have reported the following problems in the Diebold ballot printing division:

- Ignoring health and safety issues. The big Xeikon digital printing machines normally have a guard on them to reduce the risk of injury, but having this guard in place slows production. Diebold decided to speed production by removing the guard. Employees report that an under-age temporary employee was not properly trained; he lost a finger in the machine. In early July, cups of urine ended up scattered all over the lunchroom table when a surprise drug test was administered to shop employees (but not management).

- Ignoring security issues: Diebold’s practice of hiring temporary workers without background checks once resulted in the theft of a computer containing sensitive company information. Diebold employees report further concerns: The computer could very well have contained the voter registration file for King County, with private information on 1.4 million voters -- including, for certain types of registration files, social security numbers. It turns out that all it contained was sensitive financial information; in the police report, the employee who stole the computer says “my friends call me a klepto.”

Several Diebold employees, and former employees, called us in August and September. They predicted quality problems with the ballots. Experienced ballot printers know the severe consequences an improperly produced ballot can cause: Voter disenfranchisement. Diebold’s experienced staff often took extra steps to proofread ballots and catch problems -- even when those problems were caused by mistakes at the county.

Many jurisdictions that rely on Diebold for their ballot printing needs have experienced problems this fall:

- Residents in Tulare county California recently received sample ballots with the wrong election date. The correct date is printed on the front and back covers, but Page 2 in Spanish gives Nov. 4, instead of Nov. 2, as Election Day.

- Not all ballot problems are Diebold’s fault. In San Diego County, some voters received two absentee ballots, blamed on workers at the county Registrar of Voters Office. King County, Washington reports that 3,500 voters may have received multiple absentee ballots. This problem was said to have been caused by a computer glitch that occurred when voter records were updated. However, we interviewed a voter who received two ballots; he did not make any changes to his registration that would require updates.

- The San Diego announcement came on the heels of an earlier announcement that Diebold, or its affiliate, Central Presort, stuffed the wrong ballot into envelopes that were then sent out to voters.

Unfortunately it is not Diebold that will suffer for poor management strategies, but it is the voters who will be disenfranchised.

# # # # #

I'm posting this now, because Andy's out on an investigation tonight. By the way, stop in at the Cleanup Crew page to see what you can do before, during, the night of, and the week after the election.

Election Protection has a huge group monitoring voting.
Black Box Voting has a major effort monitoring counting.
The Cleanup Crew page also has links to several other watchdog efforts by various groups.

Get involved: CLEANUP CREW ACTION MENU

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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:44 PM
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1. I'm back
and boy what a interview that was.

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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:51 PM
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2. Kick! N/M
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 12:08 AM
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3. So, who has filed suit against Diebold? See article -
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/21/business/21diebold.html
<snip>
Last week, Diebold said growing legal costs over its electronic voting equipment had forced it to reduce its third-quarter earnings forecast to 67 cents a share; the forecast had been 70 cents to 74 cents.

Revenue from election systems was $34.4 million, down 28 percent from the $47.9 million recorded last year. Diebold reported that the election systems business reduced earnings by 4 cents a share in the third quarter; it added 6 cents a share in the quarter a year ago. Excluding that business, Diebold's third-quarter earnings per share would have increased by 18.3 percent.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 01:39 PM
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9. The earnings reduction is due to our Qui Tam --
Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 01:53 PM by BevHarris
Diebold thinks it will be paying $5 million in taxpayer restitution, for making false claims on the $12 million it collected from taxpayers in Alameda County. Then it plans to go right on selling touch-screen voting machines, but probably with paper "receipts." In a private, secret meeting that probably violated California public meetings laws, held on Aug. 11, Diebold demonstrated its "voter verified paper audit trail" -- apparently on its new TSx machines, and it is getting them certified now, apparently by the same flawed ITA certifiers.

The formula they issued for their earnings reduction in a press release a few weeks ago was pulled apart by an analyst, who asked them, in yesterday's board meeting, if $5 million was the figure for the California settlement, and they confirmed.

18 California counties had the option to request restitution, but chose to continue with Diebold and pass the extra costs they are incurring off to the taxpayers.

If it were to settle for $5 million, California taxpayers would get about $4.25 million in restitution and the whistleblower bounty would be 750k to $1m, divided by three and then taxed. This would yield a net of about $125k on my end, and stay tuned for what that would underwrite }( }( }( , though I have no indication that the settlement will be limited to $5m or that the terms will be acceptable. If Diebold or California tries to minimize the seriousness of the problem we'll certainly object to the settlement, and as for the amount, I leave that up to others to negotiate. I don't know if our attorney, Lowell Finley, will agree on the $$. I trust his judgement and will go along with what he thinks best.

(Note: There is an important distinction in our case: We were willing to jeopardize the whistleblower bounty by refusing to seal the evidence. We have been putting all our evidence out to the public immediately in efforts to safeguard the election. Typical Qui Tam suits seal the evidence, keeping it secret. My position, which has been consistent throughout, is that keeping information of critical public interest secret, in order to maximize one's chances of collecting a bounty, is unethical. I believe that during the next 6-12 months, you'll be seeing more on this. The question to ask: When did you discover that information, and when did you inform the public of the problems?)
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 06:55 PM
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12. Now, THAT is the response of someone who knows what they're doing.
My compliments.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:42 PM
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15. Thanks. Glad to oblige. And to answer a question downthread...
about why this keeps dropping -- ballots are boring?

Andy was unable to find out (by his deadline for having the story posted) where the ballots that omitted John Kerry's name were printed. I thought that one was pretty wild.

We know they went out in Hamilton County, but don't know who the printer was.

New ballot printing problems have surfaced -- Collins County, TX, which is surely a Diebold thing, because Diebold Election Systems is headquartered there and they have, of course, Diebold.

Bev
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harmonyguy Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 12:16 AM
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16. Didn't Hamilton County print their own ?
"What is especially frustrating, Williams said, is that the mistake actually had been caught by the election board's proof readers. But when a broken copier forced officials to use an old copying machine, the old, mistaken ballot format without Kerry's name accidentally was printed, he said."

I read this as being they were printing (photocopying) their own ballots. (which could cause a whole host of other problems if they scan them - residual toner, flaking toner etc)

http://www.cincypost.com/2004/10/18/absen101804.html

HG
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:41 AM
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20. I think they do have a special toner...
to use if printing their own. I know here in King County...if you walk in and ask for an absentee ballot they print it on the spot. I am not sure what kind of printer they use, but it sits right by/under the counter.

:shrug: Perhaps they were doing something like that?
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harmonyguy Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:22 AM
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24. You're right - a definite possibility,
for some of the ballot on demand systems, although in this case if they were an old copier rather than a printer, I would wonder if they were sophisticated enough to realize that different toner might be required.

HG;-)
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 12:23 AM
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17. Collin County? I have a small gift for you.
It's a link to the county tax-appraiser's office. There, one can locate the property values and tax records for individual residences and bidnez properties in Collin County.

Might be useful, might not.

http://www.collincad.org/
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:17 AM
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18. Kewl. The employees don't live in very fancy houses
Urosevich is on a golf course, with a gaudy yellow truck, but his home is shown at $300k -- not very high for an exec; Ian Piper, a stockholder in Global who probably cashed out pretty good when Diebold bought it, is in a $170k house.

But then again -- Texas home prices are amazingly low. There is no way in the world you could get a lovely home like Andy's mom has here in Seattle for the price she's at.

Thanks for the link. That kind of stuff can pop loose very good information.

Bev Harris
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:27 AM
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19. You are sooo cool! That's exactly what I did!
It's Plano - I'm guessing Macmansions for fairly cheap. Other areas of Texas are very pricey.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:45 AM
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21. I dunno...
Edited on Fri Oct-22-04 01:47 AM by God_bush_n_cheney
Plano is pretty pricey...or at least it used to be.

I lived in Dallas (Lake Highlands off Mockingbird Ln) We bought there because Plano was too expensive.

Andy
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:51 AM
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22. You got me - don't know Plano, was just guessing
Austin in my past.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 02:06 AM
Response to Reply #22
23. I went to
College there...my family lives near Killeen.

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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 12:38 AM
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4. Kick! N/M
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 01:22 AM
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5. You told us (& THEM) months ago...we knew this was coming.
:nuke::argh::nuke::argh::nuke::argh:

It seems to be "SOMETHING" is going wrong in every state with these assholes. Whether it's Diebold (or one of the other vote stealing companies), or whether it's the repuke shennanigans (tearing up and throwing away all the registration form of the Dems who are registering to vote), it seems that this is every bit the uphill battle that we saw coming A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO! (In my case, since BEFORE the 2000 election!!)

AND HARDLY ANY-PHUCKING-BODY IN CONGRESS DID ONE PHUCKING THING TO STOP IT!!!! :nuke::argh:

We now how 12 days to get it straightened out. What a mess.

Bev, Andy, RedEagle, Pat, Dan.... ALL the BBV patriots.... THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for all you have done, and are doing. Even though the election is upon us, we have to keep fighting this battle until it is won. It's not going away....BUT NEITHER ARE WE!!!

I have been really glad to hear that Kerry has so many teams of lawyers around the battleground states, and BBV and the other vote-protecting organizations have OUR OWN lawyers around the country, as well as poll watchers ready to "observe". Once this nightmare is over, which may be LONG past November 3, I hope the rest of the country wakes up and takes to the streets about this.

Diebold executives need to be IN JAIL. Period.

If we can bring Sinclair broadcasting to their knees, we can sure take care of these vote fraud companies.

We've just BEGUN to fight!!

O8) Many prayers for your continued protection and success! O8)

:loveya: Thanks for all you have been doing! :loveya:

:kick::kick::kick::kick:



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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:34 AM
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6. Thanks for you words of support sue...
:yourock:
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:05 AM
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7. This Problem Didn't Need To Be "In Retrospect"....
For two years they had a chance to deal with it.

State and county officials stonewalled.

Congress passed the "Help Anyone Vote but Americans" act.

Lobbyists made a bundle.

Vendors salivated over taxpayer money for systems that are too expensive, can't be audited, and won't last a third as long as the paper systems.

Officials, vendors, and legislators turned a blind eye to what the voters wanted.

Election theft goes beyond fraud. Disenfranchisement is theft, especially when it could have been prevented.

U.S. Const. Amendment V - "No person shall be ... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

I consider disenranchisement loss of liberty, the liberty to vote.

I consider my vote my property, and I am deprived of my property if that vote is not counted as cast; it cannot be proven that it was counted as cast; and it does not exist in a tangible form that I created or verified myself. If my vote is lost or altered, it is "taken." Voting is an action of the public. The public uses voting to choose who administers the publics' government.

There is no compensation for lost or altered votes.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:33 AM
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8. Get back up there!
We ain't done yet. :evilgrin:

:kick:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 02:13 PM
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10. Page THREE???
I DON'T THINK SO! :kick: :kick: :kick:
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 05:28 PM
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11. Page 3 again???
How'd that happen?

:kick:
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 08:12 PM
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13. kick
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:25 PM
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14. Kick! N/M
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:44 PM
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25. kick
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 02:06 PM
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26. i missed the absentee deadline for alameda county, CA
Edited on Fri Oct-22-04 02:06 PM by noiretblu
so i joined the cleanup crew to make up for my mistake :D
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 09:41 PM
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27. that rates a kick - way to go!
Edited on Fri Oct-22-04 09:42 PM by Eye and Monkey
(I mean that only in a very good and complimentary way, just in case there's any doubt)
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 09:48 PM
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28. Make sure election day to ask
For a paper ballot. They must COMPLY
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mrbassman03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 09:55 PM
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29. And Everett smells bad...
Just thought I'd throw that out. Those Diebold workers have a reason to complain. That slough stinks!
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