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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:37 AM
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New BBC show "Power of Nightmares" - about neoCons/extremism...WATCH IT!
This is one of the scariest things I've ever seen. I have to say that I didn't realise that Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz (sp?) had been active for so long in providing complete misinformation to the American people and the world.

"In the past our politicians offered us dreams of a better world. Now they promise to protect us from nightmares. The most frightening of these is the threat of an international terror network. But just as the dreams weren't true, neither are these nightmares.

This series shows dramatically how the idea that we are threatened by a hidden and organised terrorist network is an illusion. It is a myth that has spread unquestioned through politics, the security services and the international media. At the heart of the story are two groups: the American neoconservatives and the radical Islamists. Both were idealists who were born out of the failure of the liberal dream to build a better world. These two groups have changed the world but not in the way either intended. Together they created today's nightmare vision of an organised terror network. A fantasy that politicians then found restored their power and authority in a disillusioned age. Those with the darkest fears became the most powerful.

The rise of the Politics of Fear begins in 1949 with two men whose radical ideas would inspire the attack of 9/11 and influence the neoconservative movement that dominates Washington. Both these men believed that modern liberal freedoms were eroding the bonds that held society together. The two movements they inspired set out, in their different ways, to rescue their societies from this decay. But in an age of growing disillusion with politics, the neoconservatives turned to fear in order to pursue their vision. They would create a hidden network of evil run by the Soviet Union that only they could see. The Islamists were faced by the refusal of the masses to follow their dream and began to turn to terror to force the people to 'see the truth'."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/listings/programme.shtml?day=yesterday&service_id=4224&filename=20041020/20041020_2100_4224_40078_60


According to this programme, in the mid 70s the CIA had done a huge study and said that there was no evidence whatsover to suggest that the Russians were rebuilding military capabilities, and in addition their air defenses were in complete disarray.

Of course, this didn't stop Rumsfeld appearing at press conferences and proclaiming, with NO EVIDENCE WHATSOVER, that the Russians were re-arming (contrary to signed agreements) and they were only pretending their air defenses were a shambles to lure the US into a false sense of security.

Rumsfeld also claimed, again with no evidence, that the Russians had developed a non-acoustic method for tracking US submarines and that therefore the entire US fleet was under threat. His reasoning for this? Well, usually subs are tracked by acoustic methods, which can be detected by the Navy. Since the Navy couldn't find any evidence of Russia tracking US subs with acoustic means, clearly the Russians must have developed some undetectable new tracking technology.....In actual fact, the Russian Navy was so rundown that they had NO method for tracking US subs, but Rumsfeld considered it more likely that they had an unheard of, unknown, hugely technologically advanced but undetectable means of doing so....

Basically, Rumsfeld and his neoCon buddies were 100% convinced that the Russians were up to something. Any evidence produced to the contrary merely meant the the Russians were doing it "in secret" with technology we couldn't track, and the apparent shambles in the Russian military was just them trying to throw us off guard.

Really, really scary stuff, including the CIA helping to set up Egyptian secret services and how Islamic terrorists were tortured until, ironically, they ended up becoming even more fundamental...

Watch it if you can.

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Steelangel Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:09 AM
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1. awesome, that is a-must to watch
many thanks!
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cire4 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:26 AM
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2. Sigh...the media is so much better in other countries
especially when shows like this make it into mainstream programming. I doubt you'd see this on any American network.
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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:29 AM
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3. Yep..don't forget that the BBC is a publicly funded org....
Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 04:33 AM by Pert_UK
No commercials, no corporate whores in charge and with a mandate that its shows must serve the public interest.

Having said that, its news services have been dumbed down a bit lately, on TV at any rate (BBC Radio 4 news is still the best). Channel 4 news is, IMHO, the best in the world and very keen on giving all politicians on all sides in all countries a very hard time.

Ch4 news did a big section on the US media the other day, including covering the big Jon Stewart interview thing that happened. IIRC, the presenter said, "George W Bush has done less press conferences than any other president since the beginning of the TV age, and the Whitehouse Presscorps continually repeat what they're fed by the Whitehouse, regardless of whether its true or not."

The piece was about how more and more Americans have to take their news from alternative sources, given that mainstream news networks suck the sweat from the Repug's balls....or words to that effect.
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 05:44 AM
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4. I get BBCAmerica on my Dish
Do you think they will have the guts to show it here?
Sorry, I am an American that was out on the streets early to protest the Iraq war, and I want my country back!:mad:
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 07:35 AM
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5. If someone can get this on video and send it to the US
I can get it onto DVD and help distribute it here. WE HAVE TO WORK AROUND THE CORPORATE OWNED MEDIA TO GET INFORMATION LIKE THIS INTO THE BODY POLITIC. If it means doing it clandestinely or even engaging in civil disobedience of the copyright laws, so be it.

If you are able to tape this series and send it to me in US, please private me.

BMU
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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 08:22 AM
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6. More info on the programme+content in this Guardian review:
"Every so often a programme comes along that makes watching television not only a duty but a pleasure...and now the BBC has entirely redeemed itself for any shortcomings (real or imagined) with 'The Power of Nightmares'.

The first part of Adam Curtis's trilogy of films about global politics was many things. Primarily, it was a forensic examination of how two apparently conflicting ideologies - American neo-conservatism and Islamic fundamentalism - came to rule the modern world. Second, it was a timely blast in the face of political waffle and half-truths, that should be required viewing for anyone allowed to vote in a democracy...

Curtis focused on two key figures in postwar political philosophy - Egyptian Sayyid Qutb and American Leo Strauss - whose ideas were so similar that you could hardly see the join. Both found Truman's America to be some kind of immoral hell on earth. Both thought personal freedom was the road to perdition. Both their philosophies led, by a maze-like route that Curtis rendered clear, to an unreasoning hatred of the USSR. And when the USSR was out of the way - can you see what comes next?...

Donald Rumsfeld featured as a key player in the Ford administration, banging on about the Red Peril as early as 1975. When the CIA said there was no evidence for weapons of mass destruction, he commissioned a report that used that very lack of evidence as proof of their existence. At the same time, Qutb's disciple Ayman Zawahiri was figuring out that mass murder of "non-Muslims" (ie everyone apart from his gang) was justifiable. Rumsfeld went on to we-all-know-what. Zawahiri went on to inspire Osama bin Laden."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv_and_radio/story/0,3604,1331957,00.html

I've emailed the BBC to ask whether they're going to show this in the USA.......I'll let you know if I get a reply.



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Briar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 08:46 AM
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8. The reviewers in the Indie
and even the Torygraph are equally full of praise. This is a major series with a crucial message for us. At the very least the Beeb should make it available on the web in some form, even a transcript.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 08:36 AM
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7. Just e-mailed the BBC 2
Pleading with them to make this available on their website.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 08:51 AM
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9. Did they go into Wolfowitz and the "Team B" exercise?
The Team B exercise was approved by GHW Bush when he was CIA director, pitting "independent analysts" against the CIA's own analysis people. While it proved useful in some technical areas, the strategic analysis team came up with, surprise surprise, a dire assessment of Soviet capabilities and intentions, and this was leaked to conservatives around the country to rally support for what would become the Reagan arms buildup, and its covert shennanigans.

Yes, these guys have been pushing their line for decades. The saving grace was that previous Republicans (Reagan, Bush41) certainly used them, but they were counterbalanced by realists and didn't have the chance to run the show as they'd like.

Enter the Shrub, who wants everything explained on one-page memos and likes clear, decisive-seeming solutions. The proverbial Perfect Storm...

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Briar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:05 AM
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11. They did n/t
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 08:53 AM
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10. Well its not on BBCAmer
but the good news is that The Office Special is on tonight.
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