Here are two people that George W. Bush murdered while Governor of Texas

[ck4829]

David Wayne Spence
David Wayne Spence was executed in Texas in 1997 in spite of compelling evidence of his innocence. Two of the State's witnesses were co-defendants who testified to avoid the death penalty, one of whom changed his story three times in response to discrepancies. He later testified that D.A. Simons encouraged him to alter his testimony. Two other witnesses for the State were jailhouse snitches who recanted later and stated that Simons offered them favors in exchange for testimony. All of this and more was supposedly reviewed by Governor George W. Bush, but Bush refused to commute his sentence, and did not order the Board of Pardons and Paroles to review his request for clemency. It is a myth that a Texas Governor can do nothing to stop executions; the Board will almost always go with his recommendation. Bush washed his hands of the matter and did nothing. Reasonable doubt is not a factor in Texas justice.

Gary Graham
Gary Graham was convicted of the robbery and murder of a white man in 1981. Nearly two weeks after the crime, the state's prime witness could not pick Gary's picture out of a photo line-up. Mr. Graham was arrested with a 22 caliber pistol. The victim had been killed with a 22, but the police firearms examiner determined that Mr. Graham's gun DID NOT fire the fatal bullet. Four witnesses said Gary Graham was with them, miles away from the convenience store, when the murder occured. All four took and passed polygraph tests. George W. Bush, predictably, expressed his faith in the Texas judicial system and allowed Mr. Graham to be put to death. Mr. Graham maintained his innocence to the end.

http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bushdeathlist.htm

[rkc3]

1. They may have been innocent of these crimes, but surely they were

guilty of other crimes or would have killed someone in the future - actually this is probably part of the RW rationale

We need to stop the bush-bashing (end of sarcasm).

[Redleg]

16. That is exactly the rationale the right has used.

Too bad they don't hold themselves to the same standard.

[fob]

38. AKA - the bush* doctrine

[Tim4319]

2. But yet he is extremely critical of Stem Cell Research and a woman's

right to choose.

[glarius]

3. How horrible!

Add this to Bush's joking and mocking Carla Fay Tucker's plea for her life and you sure do have the portrait of a "compassionate conservative"!.....His cruellty shows in his face...:puke:

[cmd]

5. Carla Fay Tucker didn't make that plea

Bush was mocking his own mind. Idiot.

[glarius]

8. I hope you're calling Bush the idiot!

And not me???? :)

[cmd]

9. Sorry, definitely not you.

I must be more careful about how I say things.

[PresidentErnestTBass]

10. Is there a video of this???

I want to see this bad after hearing about it for years. Does anyone have a link?

[rkc3]

20. No video. It came from a reporter who got the opportunity to travel with

the dumbass. bush made some off the cuff comments about Tucker and said something like: "Please, please don't kill me." And he did it in a falsetto voice.

[TryingToWarnYou]

34. No, there is most certainly video.. Ive seen it.

Bush is at his absolute most diabolical self..

curling up his lip talking to a reporter and mocking Karla Tucker, in the falsetto voice.

[LiberalAndProud]

37. Another example of his vicious nature.

When young Bush was at Yale in the Sixties, he told the same joke over and over again for two years, according to some of his classmates. One of them still remembers it:

There was a young man named Green
Who invented a jack-off machine
On the twenty-third stroke
The damn thing broke
And churned his nuts into cream.

"It was horrible to hear him tell it," said the classmate, who spoke only on condition of anonymity. He lifted his shirt and showed me a scar on his back put there by young George. "He burned this into my flesh with a red-hot poker," he said solemnly, "and I have hated him ever since. That jackass was born cruel. He burned me in the back while I was blindfolded. This scar will be with me forever."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/6562575?rnd=1098418136671&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.1040

[glarius]

40. I just read Hunter S Thompson comments......All I can say is WOW!...n/t

nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

4. republicans love to protect imaginary people (fetus)

and love to kill real alive human beings

[Minstrel Boy]

6. And yet he commuted the death sentence of serial killer Henry Lee Lucas.

Lucas was the only death row inmate to ever receive clemency from Governor Bush.

:wtf:

[yella_dawg]

24. I wouldn't defend the monkey king for anything...

but Henry Lee Lucas was paid by local officials to keep the news cameras rolling while they cleaned up some drug deals. The DEA was hot on the case of Montague, Jack, and Wise county officials while investigating a massive methamphetamine ring. (I lived in Jack County, Texas at the time)The Lucas affair was smoke to stall off the DEA while evidence was scrubbed. Lucas even admitted to killing my cousin, who, as it turned out had skipped to California with a friend after an argument with his mother. Danny turned out to be possibly the least dead of all of Lucas' claimed victims. In the end, Lucas was charged with one or two murders out of some two hundred he confessed to, and was convicted on the confession alone. Given the circumstances and times, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that the scheme involved the Shrubman, since the meth ring was run out of Dallas. In those days, local cops (Highway Patrol, Sheriff's Deputies) were actively prevented from making drug busts by their supervisors, to the point that they would stake out active drug labs and were directly prohibited from interfering. This comes from childhood friends on the force.

[Minstrel Boy]

31. fascinating, thanks n/t

[Laura M Hanning]

32. Henry Lee Lucas

That's just what I was thinking.

[SOS]

7. Read the last words

of Graham and Spence here:

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/spencedavidlast.htm

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/grahamgarylast.htm

Both maintain their innocence until minutes before their deaths.

[TryingToWarnYou]

13. And this means exactly what?

So by your reasoning, if they say they are innocent, then they must be?

What about Spence bragging about raping and killing some kids at the lake?

[SOS]

21. Having read the charges

and last statements of most of the TDCJ DP cases, I have noticed a pattern. Nearly all either acknowledge their crime or refuse to say anything.
It is very rare for a DP convict to assert his innocence in a last statement.
What does it mean? Nothing legally, but it is noteworthy that a man about to be killed would still profess his innocence.

[TryingToWarnYou]

33. I guess it all depends on whether or not you want to believe them

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/patterson910.htm

Claims he was innocent, but the facts spoke differently.

[TryingToWarnYou]

35. Yet another proclaimed 'innocent' where the facts proved otherwise

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/willingham899.htm

Burned his 3 children alive in a fire.

[TryingToWarnYou]

11. David Wayne Spence was guilty as the day is long.

Despite your allegations of testimonial issues, the scientific evidence used to convict him was solid.

Spence and his cohorts brutally murdered 3 teenagers after making the male watch the brutal rape, torture and lopping off of body parts of the 2 females (nipples).

If you have a problem with the fact that they wheeled and dealed their way out of the death penalty, then you need to take up that matter with the McLennan County DA's office as to how they do business. As much as I hate Bush, he had no impact on how that case was prosecuted.

I lived in Waco after these murders and the fact that Spence was convicted TWICE by two different juries leads me to believe that they got as fair of a trial as they could have and it was certainly more fair than the treatment of those 3 kids.

Im sorry, but I dont buy the bleeding heart crap that these guys are innocent simply because some snitch says he was told to say things. Snitches will say and do whatever it takes to further their own interests. Thats why their testimony and word should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

This is simply anti-DP propaganda. Warehousing vicious criminals is not the answer, executing them is. If you want to see what a great fuckup it is to house them and then let them out, feel free to look up Kenneth McDuff and then tell me we shouldnt execute predators. Maybe McDuff just needed a big ol hug?

http://www.cnn.com/US/9811/17/texas.execution/

You are also conveniently forgetting that many of these individuals you are all teary eyed over were convicted before Bush ever stepped foot in office as Governor. While Bush can certainly issue pardons, commute sentences and ask for 100 day reprieves, why should he? At that point he is interjecting himself and his office into the legal process and at some point he will have to bear the responsibility of that decision. I dont know about him, but as Governor, I would leave the business of sentencing up to the judges and juries where it belongs.

[ProfessorGAC]

14. Don't Know Much About Illinois Do You?

Same situation. However, after some REAL investigating after the fact, a DOZEN death row inmates were found to be innocent. 4 of them would have had their death sentences carried out, had Ryan not called a DP moratorium.

Your black & white view of this issue is truly sad. You have my deepest sympathies.
The Professor

[TryingToWarnYou]

17. Instead of your faux sympathy, you got links?

Its not a black and white issue to me. Its an issue of facts and evidence vs. crying, bleeding heart bullshit that the DP is wrong.

If the guy is innocent, then release him, but if he is guilty, then he should fry.

Ill support a moratorium on the DP when the offenders give moratoriums to their victims.

[ProfessorGAC]

18. Look In The Chicago Tribune Archives

They covered the issue extensively. I'm not going to do your work for you. I've already read the entire series.

As to the faux sympathy. It's not artificial. I really feel sorry for your lack of perspective. The people who were released in Illinois DIDN'T DO IT! They killed nobody. How were they supposed to have sympathy for the victims, when they weren't the killers?

Geez, try to think a little bit.
The Professor

[TryingToWarnYou]

25. So you toss out claims yet offer nothing to back it up?

Some of us dont have the time to sit down and "read the entire series". Its simply polite netiquite to provide a link to your information. My perspective is fine. Like I said, if they are innocent, great, free them all, Hell, Ill even open the door for them, but if they are guilty, they should fry.

You are confusing problems with the DP as a way to complain about the DP itself. You are also assuming that your information is more correct than what the court records show. This is why links are important. If you are getting your propaganda from HRW or some other anti-DP org then its really no different than any other biased source.

You folks love to cry about the DP, but you offer no viable alternatives. Warehousing them isnt an option and it shits all over the victim and their family.

These people released..were they simply on death row, or actually having their sentences carried out? In otherwords, how many years of appeals did they still have? Could their conviction have been rectified on the basis of appeal? Theres a lot to consider and to simply say "Look! there were some innocent people freed from death row" is not a testament to the fact that mistakes were made in their cases. We dont know that those mistakes wouldnt have been found on their own.

[ProfessorGAC]

27. It's Not Etiquette At All

I told you where to look. The news is well over a year old! OVER A YEAR.

It's in the archives. If you're interested, go to the library and use their Nexis/Lexis and their archive subscription. Even if i foundn thelink, you couldn't look at it, since L/N is a subscriber service. Convenient that it's MY fault that you don't want to believe the reports from a major newspaper unless i provide links. It's the Chicago Freakin' Tribune! I didn't get my information from some anti-DP source. Quit your assumptions, because your making yourself look increasingly uninformed and irritatingly idealogical.

You are also quite guilty of being the pot calling the kettle black. You say "warehousing them isn't the answer". Where's YOUR data to support that statement? Don't hurt yourself, because it doesn't exist. Your whole premise that the DP is acceptable is based upon your own belief that prison isn't a viable alternative. But, since you can't prove that, it's a syllogism. That's not critical thinking. That's arguing in defense of an argument for which you have no further defense.

Lastly, what part of "these people DIDN'T do it", don't you get? The appeals had been exhausted. The death order was signed on Anthony Porter. HE DIDN'T DO IT! Exactly when was the mistake in the system supposed to be found by the system? After he was dead? It was found by graduate students in journalism working on an invesitative reporting project. Not one person involved in the judicial system found the problems with these convictions. NOT ONE!

Your view is so narrow that you can't even see daylight through the aperture. Don't accuse me of not being willing to support my argument when you don't even have one to support. I'm not supporting my belief through my belief. You are! I told you where the information could be found. If you want to pay for it, go pay for it. I've already read it. I'm not paying for it again. Don't be ridiculous.

I'm supporting my belief based upon the fact that the system is SO broken that i am now firmly convinced that we don't have the wisdom or the mistake proofing capability to assure that the right people are ALWAYS the ones executed. This is a zero defects situation, slick. 12 cases in one state over a 10 year period is FAR from zero defects. The potential root causes of the defects are manifest. If you care as much as you pretend, you will do the Nexis/Lexis search and found how rife with bias, prejudice and backdealing these cases were. You will also find that over 8 of these were uncovered by newspeople, and 3 more by activists and pro-bono attorneys. NOT BY THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM! So, the system is NOT as self-correcting as you would like it be in your convenient, black and white world.

When you come by the data that PROVES(!!!!) that warehousing isn't a viable option, let me know. Remember that PROOF is not because you say so. It has to be verifiable, challengeable, and able to pass muster. Nothing you said so far, remotely resembles that definition.
The Professor

[TryingToWarnYou]

30. A bit high and mighty arent we "professor"?

You wrote:

I told you where to look. The news is well over a year old! OVER A YEAR.

So fucking what? Since its so old and easy to find, perhaps you could post the link for those of us without endless hours to scour the information?

It's in the archives. If you're interested, go to the library and use their Nexis/Lexis and their archive subscription. Even if i foundn thelink, you couldn't look at it, since L/N is a subscriber service. Convenient that it's MY fault that you don't want to believe the reports from a major newspaper unless i provide links.

Yeah, Im kinda funny about how I require more than your word on something.

It's the Chicago Freakin' Tribune! I didn't get my information from some anti-DP source. Quit your assumptions, because your making yourself look increasingly uninformed and irritatingly idealogical.

Yeah, thanks for your insight "professor".

You are also quite guilty of being the pot calling the kettle black. You say "warehousing them isn't the answer". Where's YOUR data to support that statement?

My "data" is my experience working in the criminal justice system. When you warehouse, the criminal becomes a better criminal and goes on, thanks to a very weak criminal justice system that is overrun with bleeding hearts like yourself, that want to give every goddamn rapist, child molester and murderer a 2nd chance to 'rehabilitate'. Did you even bother to look at the prime example of this from Texas named Kenneth McDuff? Yeah, he was a real success story after being given a 2nd chance. He managed to kidnap and kill a half dozen more women before he FINALLY got put to death!

Don't hurt yourself, because it doesn't exist. Your whole premise that the DP is acceptable is based upon your own belief that prison isn't a viable alternative. But, since you can't prove that, it's a syllogism. That's not critical thinking. That's arguing in defense of an argument for which you have no further defense.

If you could lock away every one of these animals for life without parole, then that might be getting somewhere, but thats a pipe dream for the criminal justice system. Life in Texas, for example, is only 40 years. If you are 17 when you commit a murder and you get "life", you are still a capable and viable criminal when you get out. Nevermind the fact that there are very few programs in place to assist inmates with doing anything to further themselves in a positive manner. Most of them spend their days figuring out how to fuck the system or another inmate. Most have no desire to better themselves and they concentrate on how best to avoid going back to prison or jail the next time the cops are on their ass.

Lastly, what part of "these people DIDN'T do it", don't you get? The appeals had been exhausted. The death order was signed on Anthony Porter. HE DIDN'T DO IT! Exactly when was the mistake in the system supposed to be found by the system?

How about first thing at the DA's office? Oh no..you would rather blame the whollllleeeeee system for the failures of some of the parts. The next time you get a flat tire, make sure you get rid of your car because obviously, thats the only way to fix the problem...

After he was dead? It was found by graduate students in journalism working on an invesitative reporting project. Not one person involved in the judicial system found the problems with these convictions. NOT ONE!

Yeah, it kind of makes me wonder what the driving force was behind these students..were they unbiased in their investigations or were they just so damn sure he was 'innocent' that they let the findings fit the opinion? Again, links and more information would be really helpful at this point.

Your view is so narrow that you can't even see daylight through the aperture. Don't accuse me of not being willing to support my argument when you don't even have one to support. I'm not supporting my belief through my belief. You are! I told you where the information could be found. If you want to pay for it, go pay for it. I've already read it. I'm not paying for it again. Don't be ridiculous.

LOL! I guess I have to take your word for it. I think its funny that this grand amount of information doesnt seem to be available anywhere but through L/N. Gosh, I would think someone would literally be handing this out for free.

I'm supporting my belief based upon the fact that the system is SO broken that i am now firmly convinced that we don't have the wisdom or the mistake proofing capability to assure that the right people are ALWAYS the ones executed.

We dont. Nobody is perfect and neither is the criminal justice system. However, if we are to follow your logic, then nobody would ever be arrested for a crime because a mistake could be made. Capital Murder cases are prime examples of the highest level of vetting when it comes to evaluation of the evidence. Then you have the appeals courts which review everything. In the case of Graham, something like 30 judges reviewed his case and found it legally sound. Are we expected to believe that all of the people trying to ensure that the right person was gotten for the crime are all wrong and some college students managed to get it right so easily and so quickly? Cmon, I dont think anyones that stupid.

This is a zero defects situation, slick. 12 cases in one state over a 10 year period is FAR from zero defects. The potential root causes of the defects are manifest. If you care as much as you pretend, you will do the Nexis/Lexis search and found how rife with bias, prejudice and backdealing these cases were. You will also find that over 8 of these were uncovered by newspeople, and 3 more by activists and pro-bono attorneys. NOT BY THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM! So, the system is NOT as self-correcting as you would like it be in your convenient, black and white world.

I never said the justice system was self correcting or perfect, but thanks for putting words in my mouth and ASSuming an awful lot.

When you come by the data that PROVES(!!!!) that warehousing isn't a viable option, let me know. Remember that PROOF is not because you say so. It has to be verifiable, challengeable, and able to pass muster. Nothing you said so far, remotely resembles that definition.
The Professor

Its hilarious that you demand so much from me, but yet cannot even offer it up yourself. When you can come up with your 'data', let me know and we can talk further.

Oh and I came across this bit of 'data' that you might be interested in: This convicted murderer did a whopping 7 years of a 20 year sentence for MURDER only to go out and kill 3 people including his pregnant girlfriend. Would the full 20 years have made a difference? Doubtful...

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/lagrone896.htm

[ProfessorGAC]

39. Yes, And

BTW: Yes, i am a bit high and mighty. When someone is too intellectually lazy to do their own research, and assumes that their time is more valuable than mine, i do get on my high horse. You expect ME to do the Nexis/Lexis search, at my expense, when you already know the place to find the information. And, I'M the one who is expected to be taken at his word? Your 'experience' in the justice system is to be taken at your word, but referencing the Chicago Tribune means i expect you to take MY word. That's patently absurd.

As to your silly example, putting a multiple murderer away for only 7 years is not warehousing. If he's to be warehoused to keep him away from society, he needs to be warehoused for his whole life. So, while the situation in your example is lamentable, it's not even close to proof that a true long term incarceration is not the answer. You're so wrapped up in your preconceived notions, that you don't even realize that you can't prove a thing.

Get over yourself. Your opinion is just that. So, is mine. But, i am NOT willing to have a single person executed if they didn't do the crime. You, by the defintion of your position, have to be willing to expect such mistakes. I'm sure you could live with the death of an innocent man, though. As long as the "bad guys" get their's, huh?
The Professor

[TryingToWarnYou]

41. You just dont get it...

BTW: Yes, i am a bit high and mighty. When someone is too intellectually lazy to do their own research, and assumes that their time is more valuable than mine, i do get on my high horse. You expect ME to do the Nexis/Lexis search, at my expense, when you already know the place to find the information. And, I'M the one who is expected to be taken at his word? Your 'experience' in the justice system is to be taken at your word, but referencing the Chicago Tribune means i expect you to take MY word. That's patently absurd.

YOU are making assertions based on evidence that YOU have access to. You refuse to supplement your argument by making that same evidence available to those wanting to see it. Frankly, I do not care enough about this matter to pay good money to read the material myself. Since YOU had access to it, I have wrongly assumed that you might have copied it for further access when the need arises, kind of like now. As it stands, your unsupported claims are exactly that...

As to your silly example, putting a multiple murderer away for only 7 years is not warehousing. If he's to be warehoused to keep him away from society, he needs to be warehoused for his whole life. So, while the situation in your example is lamentable, it's not even close to proof that a true long term incarceration is not the answer. You're so wrapped up in your preconceived notions, that you don't even realize that you can't prove a thing.

'professor', why are you acting like an idiot? Nowhere did I say that 7 years was warehousing. My point was that even 20 years wouldnt have made a difference. The other part you missed, genius, is that "life" in Texas is only 40 fucking years... not LIFE as in for the rest of your natural born life. If we could do that, then we might have an alternative to the DP, but I suspect the inmate huggers would have a real problem with them being in prison forever too. Catch 22.

Get over yourself.

ROFLMAO! this from a guy calling himself "professor" and swaggering around the forum as if his shit doesnt smell. Wow..just, wow.


Your opinion is just that. So, is mine. But, i am NOT willing to have a single person executed if they didn't do the crime. You, by the defintion of your position, have to be willing to expect such mistakes.

The mistakes are unfortunate, but your solution seems to be to trash the whole death penalty system rather than fixing the parts that are broken and I dont subscribe to tossing out the TV because the knob fell off.

I'm sure you could live with the death of an innocent man, though. As long as the "bad guys" get their's, huh?
The Professor

Your anger is at the DP in general, not at particular problems. You have no ability to distance yourself from the issue and address the problems. Once you can do that, maybe your POV might mean more. Right now, you sound like a bleeding heart and making decisions based on emotions isnt very logical, professor.

[ProfessorGAC]

42. I'm Not The Logical One????

That is so laughable as to be the extinguishment of this discussion.

You are a sore loser. Your position is utterly indefensible. You know it. I know it. Everyone who's read this thread knows it.

It would be pointless to continue given your inability to comprehend simple logic and absorb absolutely factual information.

You bore me.
The Professor

[TryingToWarnYou]

43. No, you aren't. Sad, really...

You cannot even address the issue which is that the DP itself is not wrong, but parts of the process may need to be fixed. You either cannot admit that or are unable to because you believe the DP to be wrong on the whole. If thats the case, then all the 'data' in the world wont help you as your mind is already made up based on emotions rather than logic and facts.

Some simple questions for you:

Do you believe the DP is wrong fundamentally?

Do you believe in the DP, but know that there are parts of the DP process that need to be fixed? (My position)

Lets see if you have the nuts or the guts to come to face your fears.

[SOS]

19. Anthony Porter was 100% factually innocent

and came within 24 hours of execution. Only the dedicated efforts of Northwestern University journalism students spared his life.
Check out his story linked below. Is this just another example of "bleeding heart bullshit" or a criminal justice system that came within hours of killing a man who did nothing wrong? Your view on the Porter case would be of interest.

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/depts/clinic/wrongful/exonerations/porter.htm

[ProfessorGAC]

22. Porter Had Witnesses AT THE TIME, Too!

The people who came forward to say they were with him were interviewed by investigators. His alibi was airtight. DNA evidence further exonerated him. But, prosecutors didn't even tell the defense team that they had such witnesses!

This is a justice system run amock. I'm no Ryan fan, but he did the right thing, here.
The Professor

[TryingToWarnYou]

26. This is one of the reasons why testimony alone should never be

the only thing that puts someone on death row.

Hell, any idiot can get on the stand and lie...it happens everyday.

The first mistake was that the DA's office indicted him on such lousy evidence.

I have never said that the system is perfect, only that there arent many options.

I just hope that the people rushing to prove his innocence didnt do so with the blind eye of bias and trying to will an outcome no matter what else was said or done. It would be truly interesting to see the whole case.

[PurityOfEssence]

12. "Mere factual innocence is no reason not to carry out a death sentence...

...properly reached"

Or at least that's how Antonin Scalia feels. He also feels that death isn't such a big deal, and that the more Christian the country, the less problem they have with capital punishment.

[TryingToWarnYou]

15. Oh boy... Graham was just such a sweet guy

http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/graham.htm

On May 13, 1981, at 9:35pm, Bobby Grant Lambert was robbed and murdered in a Safeway parking lot in north Houston, Texas. Four out of the original five witnesses described the murderer as a young, thin black male, from medium height to tall. On May 27th, 17-year-old Gary Graham, a 5'9", 145 lb. black male, was positively identified as Mr. Lambert's murderer by Bernadine Skillern, the one eyewitness who clearly saw the killer's face. Five months later, Graham was convicted of the murder and sentenced to death. Graham had been previously arrested on May 20th for a crime spree that included at least 22 criminal episodes, which involved 20 armed robberies, 3 kidnappings, 1 rape, and 3 attempted murders; a crime spree which was later found to include the murder of Mr. Lambert. There are 28 known victims of this crime spree, resulting in 19 eyewitnesses who have positively identified Graham.

[tkmorris]

28. Oh this is beautiful

First you say "If you are getting your propaganda from HRW or some other anti-DP org then its really no different than any other biased source."

Then you post a link "proving" how awful Gary Graham is from a site that calls itself "prodeathpenalty.com". Come on mate. You may even be right about this Graham person but your arguments, well, they have a few holes.

[TryingToWarnYou]

29. His "crime spree" is well known common knowledge so the facts arent in ...

dispute. As for the source, I agree with you...its biased as hell. I should have found one less so, but at the time, its the only one I had. I apologize for posting it in haste.

Here are a few less biased sources:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/06/20/condemned.man.02/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/802425.stm

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/06/23/graham.execution/index.html

[Solon]

23. Another open DP case with changed testimony....

A woman who provided crucial testimony in the West Memphis 3 case now says her testimony was a complete fabrication.

Victoria (Vicki) Hutcheson says she was told what to say by West Memphis Police Department detectives, and that if she did not testify as instructed they could take her child away from her and implicate her in the slayings.

She also says the police hid her from defense attorneys after she testified in the first of the case's two trials, and that she knows of at least one piece of evidence destroyed by police.

Hutcheson's son Aaron, who was 8 years old at the time of the slayings and a close friend of two of the three little boys who were brutally murdered in 1993, is also recanting statements he made shortly after the murders. Aaron, now 18, says police "tricked" him and led him to say things that were not true.

Link:

http://www.wm3.org/live/newsevents/newsitem.php?index=1&news_Id=85

[bling bling]

36. It is legal for the police to lie during interrogations

Some of the research I've done on the subject of interrogations is beyond sickening. It's so unbelievable what goes on in the interrogation room it seems surreal. What I've learned: NEVER talk to the police without a lawyer present. It doesn't matter if you are innocent of a crime. It doesn't matter. DO NOT TALK without an attorney.

[Sparkle]

44. What I don't understand is that Bush says he's a born again Christian.

Karla Faye Tucker was a confessed born again Christian after she murdered someone and they wanted to change her outcome to life in prison but George didn't think twice about it. He signed the papers to execute her. To me, I would feel guilty about that. He had the power to give her a stay but didn't.

[TryingToWarnYou]

45. Heh.. many inmates "find God" in prison...its amazing

Jails and prisons are some of the most religious places on Earth.

Of course, if they were finding Jesus or whoever instead of victimizing other citizens, what a wonderful place this would be.