anyone see the heritage foundation talkers debate?

[Union Thug]

I just watched it this morning (CSPAN)and was struck by two things:

1. With the *possible* exception of Bill Bennet, who seemed to be the most rational of the righties, the right wing team seemed to be living in an alternate universe. They flailed about some 'we are safer' report, said such things as you don't have to be smart to be president, just 'motivational' (ala that Shmuckley guy), etc. What was really enlightening about the right was that it was perfectly clear what they meant when they said things like "we are better off." They truly meant that THEY, the $$$ makers, are better off. NOT those of us who have to work for a living. What was most telling was their avoidance of Thom Hartman's references to a 'return to the gilded age.' Their silence was a mute confession.

2. Why did we not have our best talkers on that panel? No Malloy? No Peter Werbe? No Randi Rhodes? And yet Colmes was there, and the ineffective Stephanie Miller? I have to admit, Hartman was fantastic, but we could have had a much better team batting for us.

[dogtag]

1. I saw it yesterday and noticed how much more time

the right wing got to blather. Not that that's exactly anything new.

[cali]

2. I saw it.

Loved Thom Hartman, kind of liked Lionel's bluntness; the rest left me cold. I've never heard Thom Hartman before, and just found out he's a fellow Vermonter. I am so proud of the politics of my little state.

[oscar111]

3. Debaters: best points of '04, collected. Kerry bled, bush fled, etc.

{Got this email forward twice. I think it's good.. I added one of my points to it}
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  1. Hit bush's strengths:
-war leader
-racism {not mentioned in polls, but his biggest strength}
---WAR LEADER
- On 9/11, Bush was told "we are under attack."   He just sat in fear for 7 minutes. { While second-graders read My Pet Goat out loud.}.
- Bush can't even protect us from the flu - how's he going to stop terrorists? { fails as a manager}.
- {Bush attacks Kerry->}Deserter attacks wounded vet.
- Kerry bled, Bush fled
- Bush will draft
---RACISM - {racists fear competition for jobs from ethnics, so more jobs = less racism. So say this ->}
- "Bush lost a million jobs: Clinton added 22 million".
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2. Next, our strong points -
- economy
- healthcare
ECONOMY
- Wages lower than when Reaganomics began {adjusted for inflation}
- Wages fell $1,500 under Bush
- Bush lost a million jobs: Clinton added 22 million.
- Bush gives tax breaks for outsourcing {jobs to India}
- YOUR job can be sent to India.
- Job shortage is 13 million
- Education won't help, because not enough jobs exist.
- Bush cut cops, firefighters, vets - to give the rich $ 300 Billion.
- Bush cut cops, so high crime
- Bush cancelled overtime
- Kerry will lower middle class tax, raise tax on the over-$200,000 crowd. Shifts it off us.
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Hit " 9/11 to blame for the economy"
- Most jobs lost BEFORE   9/11.
- Stocks recovered from 9/11, then taxcuts-for-the-rich crippled the economy.
- Bush threw the economy in a hole, and we haven't climbed out YET ! Clinton, it grew from day 1. ================
Hit "Reaganomics taxcuts will spark the economy" {The Reaganomics lie is their greatest strength. "WORK HARD" to end it.}. - Wages lower than when Reaganomics began. {1980}
- Wages fell $ 1,500 under Bush.
- Bush lost a million jobs
- Reaganomics cripples the economy
- Housewives must now work, because of Reaganomics. { 1980 ended most housewives}
- Bush cut cops, firefighters, vets - to give $300 Billion to the rich.
- Reaganomics cut asylums in half, now crime is everywhere.
- 1/3 bridges need repair, potholes are everywhere.
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WHY REAGANOMICS FAILED:
- GDP rise never trickles down to you - why would the rich ever want to give you free money? They spend $2 million on birthday parties. {Kozlowski}.
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Our way to spark the economy is to spark the PRODUCERS - the middle class:
- by cheaper doctors, cheaper college, end ripoffs by ending deregulation, by adding more jobs, by shifting taxes to the over-$200,000 crowd.
- sparking the middle class by making it healthy, educated, free of ripoffs, always employed, and shifting taxes off of it.
- 1952 was the year with a tax structure the most free of Reaganomics. It was a time of prosperity.
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HEALTHCARE - 20 nations outlive us: all have nationalized healthcare: all cheaper.
- The US has rationing. Ration cards are green. Green dollar bills.
- World Health Organization rated our health system quality at # 37.
- Our population's health is # 72. {yes, seventy second !} THE WORLD
HEALTH REPORT - 2000.
-We pay more/person than anyone on earth.
- Bush ignored August warnings on flushots, but England acted - got 7 sources.
- Bush wants to destroy Medicare and social security.
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http://www.democrats.org
http://www.airamericaradio.com
http://www.democraticunderground.com great forums
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 M  #0    Wages up $7,000 under Clinton- down $1,500 Bush oscar111  Oct-23-04 05:44 PM  #1       Summary of ZINGERS for debaters, phone bankers oscar111  Oct-23-04 06:01 PM  #2          "stocks lost a thousand, wages down fifteen hundred, a million jobs lost" oscar111  Oct-23-04 08:00