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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:18 AM
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BBV: Voters told they can vote in Chinese, when ballots ran out
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 12:39 AM by BevHarris
Today, I viewed the results of an extensive public records request in King County, Washington. Working with Kathleen Wynne, who has added her talents to Black Box Voting, we reviewed hundreds of pages of documents.

One item of interest was the set of "trouble slips" from the Sept. 14 election. Many precincts ran out of ballots.

At first, the solution was acceptable and efficient: Runners were assigned to bring new ballots to locations with less than 15 left.

Then it got more bizarre:

1) They started taking ballots to Kinkos to have extra copies made. Again, vote-counting is a form of bookkeeping. The reason you NEVER do this is that ballots are printed with a serial number. The ballots are accounted for when distributed to each precinct, and there are no duplicate serial numbers. Poll workers keep track of how many ballots they are given, and how many they use.

When you start duplicating ballots at Kinkos, you produce multiple ballots with the same serial number. This ruins one part of the audit.

2) It became more bizarre when they decided to start having people borrow ballots from other polling places, some of which did not have exactly the same ballot questions.

3) The most bizarre thing of all was a trouble slip giving poll workers permission to deal with running out of ballots by "letting voters vote on the Chinese ones "if they don't mind."

Keep in mind that the ballots included both candidate names and other questions.

We are finding, with the Cleanup Crews (http://www.blackboxvoting.org) that elections are run in a much more slipshod way than most people realize. This has been going on a long time, but is getting worse.

The answer, of course, is to follow sound bookkeeping principles and count the vote in public -- and public scrutiny helps a great deal.

You can have the fanciest computer program in the world, but if you fall apart on basic bookkeeping principles, your election will not have much integrity. Printing ballots at Kinkos is not acceptable. Borrowing the wrong ballot from somewhere else is even worse. But giving people a Chinese ballot when they don't speak Chinese is simply indefensible.

At first, I thought this might have taken place in Seattle's Chinatown, but apparently it happened in Kenmore, a North Seattle suburb.

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And if you think this is bad -- the implications of what John Gideon and Ellen Thiesen (VotersUnite.org) in their King County records request is even worse!

1. King County bought software that was "provisionally certified" in direct contradiction to state law.

2. It gets worse: The contract Diebold put in place made King County promise NEVER to get it certified by any ITA. In a nutshell: It came from a programmer's desk in Canada right into our central tabulator.

3. And yes, it gets worse yet: The software will apparently be removed on Nov. 16 or thereabouts, when the "provisional certification" expires. This reminds me of Georgia, where they put in a last minute patch that no one certified, and later purged it from the machines.

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And if you think that isn't bad enough: I now have my hands on one of the very rare official Ciber ITA reports. It is for GEMS, and it is about as improper as it gets. Shawn Southworth did things like give it an "A" for secure source code, and worse. What he did, and the fact that about 9 members of NASED, including technical guys, signed off on this report, indicates either incompetence or collusion or both.

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Bev Harris
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:33 AM
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1. Good gawd this sucks!
:hi: Hi Bev! And thanks for posting this!! I don't know how it ended up so far down on the 2nd page!

Thank you sooooo much for all your tireless work. It is now, thanks to you & the crew, a WELL KNOWN FACT that this election is going to be a mess. All the networks & papers & blogs are discussing it. (Don't we just wish they had hopped on the whole thing when there was still time to avert the train wreck...like you (and we) were BEGGING them to do!!)

If the crooks involved in all of this manage to pull off another bush residency/republican congress, this will never be investigated fully. They are too heavily invested in cheating at every level, even though there are plenty of crooked Dems who have been complicit all along the way.

O8) I pray from the bottom of my soul that Kerry wins decisively, and that all the work you have done on this can finally come to its legal and ethical conclusion, with full investigations and prosecutions against those who have tried to destroy our Democracy. And, as always, I pray for your continued success and safety. O8)

:kick::kick::kick::kick:
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:55 AM
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2. I know one County that has earned 'page saves' every 5 minutes.......
.....on election night! :evilgrin:

Something tells me it will be a very loooooooong night. :(
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:56 AM
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3. the more you dig....
the deeper it gets! Yikes Bev, this is very bad! I hope and pray the good guys win this time with a HUGE turnout!

thanks! :)
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:42 AM
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4. Kick! Monitor the Elections! N/M
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:49 PM
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5. Election Protection....
...because your government won't do it for you.

Kick!
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:45 AM
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6. Kick! N/M
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:29 AM
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:54 AM
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8. Hang On
To the cycle Bev. We are going to need someone after this tea party who can be seen to offer a reputable system.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:02 AM
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10. Exactly- Citizens participation
The "system" has never been about anything other than vendor involvement and the insiders who let it go- like NASED.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 03:08 AM
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9. "I voted for Moo Shu Pork & General Tao Chicken. You?"
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:29 AM
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12. lol...one from column A.....
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:29 AM
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11. I enjoyed the story on India's elections...one national system
...the voting boxes are cheap to make and aren't
hooked up to the Internet. Voted on and locked and sealed,
then sent to a place to be opened and tallied.

Sounds a bit primitive, but whatever it takes
to get an accurate count.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:33 AM
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13. Hi Bev! We're with you all the way! nt
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 11:08 AM
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14. and who knows if the Chinese is correct?
Are they legitimate Chinese ballots or not?
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:42 PM
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15. More attention needed
:kick:
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