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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:24 PM
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Poll question: What best describes your racial heritage?
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 07:39 PM by JohnnyCougar
After the seeming popularity of my age poll, I thought it would be interesting to know the racial makeup of DU.

For simplicity's sake, if you are of more than one racial makeup, list the main one.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:24 PM
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1. Depressed
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:25 PM
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2. I have a request
If you could, please change Hispanic to Latino/Latina
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:29 PM
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5. what if you are from Spanish origins and NOT Latin American?
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:30 PM
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7. Then you're a Caucasian from Spain
.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:33 PM
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10. What if...
you are of Spainish origin and not from Spain OR Latin America?
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:34 PM
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12. In all situations, your race is determined by your race
and not your nationality. If a black man from Spain moves to China, he's still a member of the black race.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:40 PM
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15. And if a Spainiard moves to the Philipines...
or South America...
Or...

Seems like (no offense intended) you are trying to seperate the Indio/Azteca Spainish mix from both the European Spainiards and the Native Tribes.

Me, I really hate dividing on race, I'm human, you're human, my wife is human, my kids are human...

But, since no one asked, I'm 1/2 Irish and 1/2 English, I guess that makes me about as Caucasian as I can be. My wife is 1/2 Venezualan (NEVER Latino, as that refers to Latin America) and 1/2 Norwiegan. Which makes my kids very confused.
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:43 AM
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83. dad?
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:28 PM
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113. LMAO!!
I'm sorry, but that made me spit snapple onto my screen. Hilarious. :thumbsup:
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:42 AM
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82. what if you're bi-racial and you were raised in you're mothers culture?
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:14 AM
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104. Then you're bi-racial
Race and ethnicity are seperate categories. They are confusing only because race is often thought of as a scientific classification when it's really a sociological one.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:50 PM
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19. I don't like the catch all "Caucasian"!!
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:55 PM
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20. I'll do you one better
I don't like any of them. AFAIC, there's only one race - the human race
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Huckebein the Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:08 PM
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23. neither do I.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:12 PM
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25. hey, that's me!!!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:16 PM
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38. I prefer to think of it as a scrum, not a race.
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 09:17 PM by TahitiNut
:silly:


But my ancestors were Vikings - not from the Caucasus. :shrug:
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:19 PM
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55. Hah!!
You deserve bonus points for that one.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:36 PM
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114. I accept the points.
:silly:

For myself, I find that 'race' has meaning only when people give it meaning. I've given up (it's a waste of my time) assigning anyone to a 'race' and, instead, gladly (and interestedly) await their own identification of themselves, to whatever degree floats their boat. It'd be silly to ignore the differing world views that people have and differing hurdles they've encountered. At the same time, it's just not something I'm inclined to say for any other person. Thus, I think, my primary objection to formulaic questions of 'race' has to do with the varyingly 'official' nominations. It infers a reductionist attribute that just plain doesn't exist. I think we'd probably be just as well off by merely asking whether the person sees themselves being adversely treated as a racial/ethnic minority or not. While I might answer 'Viking' to a fill-in-the-blank question, I'd answer 'No' to this latter question, or maybe '2' on a 1-to-10 assessment (since my grandparents were called 'filthy scandahoovians' when they came to this country and certainly were targets of widespread ethnic discrimination).
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:18 PM
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54. I was going to respond to you for your number 12 post
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 10:20 PM by notadmblnd
until I read number twenty. GMTA:hi:
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:24 PM
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59. The people of Latin America are the perfect example why race is a bad idea
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 10:25 PM by sangh0
You ask a Cuban what race they are, and the answer will probably be "Cuban!"

You ask a Brazilian, and you could get one of dozens of answers.

But you get right down to it, it's like walking down the cereal aisle of the supermarket. Countless variations of the same damn thing - grain, sugar and some food coloring.

Buying the idea of race is like buying a box of cereal. You're paying for the propoganda.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:46 PM
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64. There is only one "race"
the Human Race. And I'm not saying that rhetorically. "Race" is misunderstood by the majority of humans. But the concept of races that separates us is as not-real as the national borders, or the state lines, county boundries, etc that only exist in some people's minds. We do have "nationalities," and our ancestors had those identities, too. And we have the tribes of humanity, based upon the extended families and clans. But only one race: the human race.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:52 PM
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66. I've always hated lables on people
I think it is what divides us as human beings. The word "culture" is another word that bothers me. Sure people from different demographics, religions etc. may have different customs or rituals we perform but in the end we all bleed red, live, die and have the same basic human desires for love and happiness.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:38 PM
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72. I see labels as a tool
I don't really have a position on them. I think that this tendency to categorize things and relate information about them is something that's intimately involved in the development of our intelligence. Our facility at labeling things, such as "food" and "not food", has been instrumental in our survival and our success.

And I think that even when applied to people as a group, labels can be informational. I know not to expect the same experience at an Irish wake and a traditional Hindu cremation. And if I know about someone's culture, a few obvious demographic details, plus a couple of questions, I can probably make a good guess at where they stand on a number of issues.

I see the problem as being more like that guy who has a hammer and thinks everything is a nail. It's the misuse of this reductionary tool. Basically, many people come to rely on it, even though it often takes us only part of the way.

We live in a complex world, and these labels do not tell us enough about the world we live in. We have to take each example and evaluate it as it comes to us. As I said before, labeling things (including people) can be of some use. However, it only takes us so far. It is not the proper tool when dealing with any one specific individual, nor does it set any limits on any individual.

In addition, as a social matter, things like race do make a difference in people's lives, and taking someone's race into account in social situations is something that is rarely openly discussed, but occurs on a constant basis for a simple reason; It's helpful. It works.

Besides, I don't think there's anything wrong with celebrating our differences. I guess the real problem is when we think the wonder of our own differences gives us license to forget the things we all have in common.

Like I said; It's a complex world. We're the same, yet different. Some people just have a hard time resolving the two.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:15 AM
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76. Maybe I'm simple minded in my opinion?
I can only expound on my life experiences as I have no degree in human behaviour, but in regards to culture.. it is not something that is bred in us.... it is not in our DNA. It comes about as a result of our environments and it bothers me when I see the word culture interchanged with the word race.

I want to give you an example of how the labeling of people by race bothers me it may give you insight in regards to my level of thinking.

My son is what some people would label bi or multi-racial. The problem for those people is they can't determine his "race". They don't know if he is Arab, Hispanic Black or White. I've actually had people come up to me and ask me what he is? Me, (being the confrontational type)I have always responded with "he's a little boy".

My thinking has always been, why do these people feel the need to know this? Would their feeling towards or treatment of him change as a result? Would they be nicer to him? Would they be meaner? Maybe it is another basic human need... to sort and compartmentalize, but when it comes to race why?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 07:32 AM
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93. interesting post
My family has black, brown, red, yellow, and white .... and a large amount of mixtures of each. And so when I read your post, I was reminded of the many similar experiences that my family has had.

Human beings, from an early age on, have an automatic response of identifying the sex of each individual they see. You may be able to remember at some point seeing a person who is not easily identified, be it a man who appears female, or a female who appears to be male. People on a subway will tend to stare at such an individual until they can make an identification. Is that learned behavior? Or is it instinctual? Or both?

The "racial" identification is clearly learned. While children by the age of three to four also do the identification of sexual identity, most children are amazingly unaware of race and color. One of my daughters was six before she was conscious that one of her relatives was black.

As others and myself have said, there is no such thing as "race." There is no science that supports "race." It is a human concept that was created for a specific purpose, and not a good one. But it has no more basis in reality than the state border between NY and PA... which is a human "invention" that divides.

The tribes have reached a point where there is far more over-lap than at any time in human history, and that is one of the best things that can happen. It is a concept that is still "strange" to some people, and they tend to be curious. Asking you outright may not be a social grace, but in a very real sense, it is almost never intended to be negative. You and your family may be serving as agents of change in the perception of other human beings.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:13 AM
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103. No, not simple minded at all
I think it's obvious that you've done a good deal of thinking about this. It doesn't look like you have just accepted the ideas that have handed down to you (ie "received wisdom") without question.

And while it is true that some of these labels do not connote an inherent, genetically based-difference, it is still a difference, and these differences do convey information, though it's often not obvious exactly which info is useful and which is not.

As H2O Man points out, your encounters with people who ask about your child help foster a new understanding in those people. You are, whether you want to be or not, whether you are conscious of it or not, standing at the very edge of many people's understanding of racial matter. You are a walking, talking, contradiction to their beliefs.

As sad a social commentary as that is --after all, a women with a child of an apparently different race should not be all that unusual and mind-boggling-- the bright spot in this is that the confusion felt by the questioner is the result of ignorance that your child's existence quickly dispels. This does not mean that the questioner instantly becomes enlightened on all matters racial, but it does present an opening.

And this hints at the reason why I don't see labels as an inherently bad thing. As you have accurately stated, there is a large gap between reality, and the way these labels are used to assert characteristics to individuals. The cognitive dissonance caused by this gap (in people who use the labels to judge individuals who are then presented with a situation that contradicts those beliefs) could be the strongest weapon to use to subvert the hold these labels have on people.

Just as the accumulation of lie after lie is leading the bush* administration to be seen as out of touch with reality, so too can a steady stream of contradictions subvert the idea of a "strong and resolute" belief system. You and you family are a drop of water in this steady stream of realistic contradictions, and as times goes on, the rocks of racist beliefs are slowly eroding.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:35 AM
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86. Agreed. There's no such thing as "race" besides the "human race".
I therefore respectfully decline to participate in this poll. I find it divisive and disturbing.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:38 PM
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14. sure
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:40 PM
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16. Thank you
,
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:09 PM
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24. Well, let's see.........
my great grandmother was full blooded Cherokee. Everybody else in family is Caucasian. My Mother looks Indian, so did my brother. My Dad was Caucasian and I look Caucasian. So, I guess I'm Caucasian.
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getoffmytrain Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:27 PM
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3. Play that funky music, white boyyyyy.....
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:28 PM
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4. Native American, Spanish, French, Irish, German, English and
since the Native American is cajun, likely some African American in there somewhere, too. Just a good old American mutt...so how could I ever be a bigot, ha ha! Just to be sure I wouldn't, God also made me female.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:29 PM
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6. White bread
very white bread
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:32 PM
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8. Native American and Canuck
I used to think it was just canuck, but then my grandfather told us we were "Indians" as he lay dying. Apparently when my great-grandfather moved the family south into the U.S. he told immigration they were French because native Americans were so hated here and the secret was more or less kept for three generations.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:01 PM
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22. Canuck?
Is that another word for Inuit?
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:57 PM
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34. Canuck == French Canadian
http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=canuck

I guess the more proper word for my heritage would be Metis.

Metis == Canuck + Native American
http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=metis


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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #34
108. I just had to drag this back up because this is so damned weird
Edited on Thu Oct-28-04 06:00 PM by iverglas


"Metis == Canuck + Native American"

Since the "Native American(s)" in question was(were) apparently in fact Canadian, this bit's all wrong to start with, even if the "American" bit is used in its "of the Americas" sense. "Native American" is a term unique to the US.

The term "native" hasn't been used in Canada, capitalized or otherwise, for a very long time, and is in fact regarded as disrespectful. Canadians who are members of the First Nations are referred to as Aboriginal persons (who belong to an Aboriginal people).

The term "Canuck" is just dumb, and generally only used disparagingly, by USAmericans, and maybe by Canadians being in some way facetious. It's certainly never occurred to me that it referred specifically to French-Canadians, and I think they'd be quite surprised to hear that. In fact, I'd think it more likely that a québécois(e) might use it to describe a maudit(e) anglais(e) (haha, little joke, "damned English").

So "Canuck + Native American", to describe a person of French-Canadian and Canadian First Nations descent, is quite a bit like saying "Yank + Negro" to describe a person of biracial Southern USAmerican descent, if you ask me. Not quite accurate, and not quite polite.

"Métis" = of European and First Nations descent, but specifically descended from the European French men and (present-day Canadian) First Nations women who formed couples early in the history of present-day Canada. Their descendants organized communities and developed a way of life of their own, and those communities preserve and celebrate the way of life today. The Métis people are increasingly recognized as a people in Canada: a group with a unique culture, specific to themselves. ("Mestizo" is the equivalent in the Spanish-settled areas of the Americas, both coming from words meaning "mixed".)

In fact, the Métis people of Canada are an example of the problematic nature of "race". They are of mixed race, but in fact form a distinct culture and a distinct people separate from the cultures and peoples in which they originated, and it is the culture that is important, and that supports the individual identities of the members of the group, not the racial make-up of the group.


Me, btw, I'm 100% "English" -- but I'd have a hard time explaining what that means. I'm a Canadian-born Canadian citizen whose grandparents (and presumably great-grandparents) were all born in England proper, but before that I don't really know. Three of those surnames are pretty obviously French in origin (Monck, for instance, is what Lemoine became after the French conquest of Britain in 1066); one is more "English" (Cooper is one of those occupation-derived names).

I like being 100% English ... because I like being me. If I were 25% English and 25% French-Canadian and 25% West African and 25% Latino (and just look how each of those terms refers to a completely different thing: race, ethnicity, culture, history, geography ...), I imagine I'd like that too. Assuming that what other people thought about it hadn't made it impossible for me to like it.

My neighbourhood is peopled in large part by first-generation immigrants and their children. One day, I was at a craft fair with the two little girls who live across the street and next door, respectively, and are both 100% Chinese(-Canadian). At the booth where they were having sealing-wax stamps made up with their names on them, in Chinese and English, the (Chinese-)Canadian craftswoman asked me whether they were my daughters.

Heck, they don't even look remotely alike!



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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:32 PM
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9. It depends
on how far back you go...

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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:33 PM
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11. I prefer to call myself a Finnish/American. It falls under the Caucasian
but I think we should be considered a separate minorit! Since there are so few actual FinnAmericans we should qualify right?

:dem:
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. Would that make you...
...a Finite American?
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humanbeing Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:54 AM
Response to Reply #11
87. hey, my girlfriend is finnish...
and I've lived in Finland for almost a year -- if I get her to emigrate, maybe she'll be another Finn-American :)
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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:14 AM
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100. Our numbers are growing .... :-) We will have a voice someday!! LoL
Welcome to the Underground!! I hope you enjoy your time here! :toast:

:dem:
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luaneryder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:42 PM
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17. 75% plain ole white (Irish)
25% Cherokee, but only my facial features are anywhere near NA something I've always lamented.
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:46 PM
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18. Very Mixed Caucasian
Irish, Russian, German, English, Swedish, Polish, etc.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:25 PM
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112. Another American of mixed European ancestry
Mom's mom: Polish Jew; Mom's Dad: Italian; both of Dad's parents were Polish.....so that makes me 3/4 Polish and 1/4 Italian.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:56 PM
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21. Human first.
Ethnicity later.

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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:15 PM
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26. 1/4 Cherokee, 1/4 Irish, 1/2 Italian and 100% human. nt
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Pax Argent Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:21 PM
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27. A little of everything European with a bit of Native American
I guess you could say I'm Heinz 57.
:)
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:25 PM
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28. German, Irish, and Swiss.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:35 PM
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29. I don't believe human beings can or should be divided into racial types
but if it really makes a difference my ancestors were predominately pinkish.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:41 PM
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30. well...we CAN, i think that's obvious, but i agree that we shouldn't
it's an unfortunate part of society that we HAVE to deal with

as long as race still affects people positively or negatively i won't tolerate ANYONE saying shit like "i don't see color"

it's there, it creates problems, and ignoring it won't do a damn thing
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:42 PM
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31. ahhh
But human beings themselves divide themselves into racial types. For alot of people, it is part of their identity.

I think its important to recognize the different aspects of each race. Of course, one must understand the difference between studying a culture as a whole and applying stereotypes to one specific individual. That is where problems start to come into play.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:19 PM
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41. No. 19th (18th) century "scientists" created "Race".
Not the people, or "The People", just confused (Or perhaps apologists) biologists.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:09 PM
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50. Yes, race was invented by scientists
but it is still alive and well as a mental construck that people use in defining themselves. I'm not saying this is right, I'm saying this is how it is.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 07:00 AM
Response to Reply #41
90. I'm afraid not; John Dryden, 1681:
(and I'm just quoting this to show that people divided humans into races before then - I'm not supporting this attitude):

"The Jews, a headstrong, moody, murmuring race" Absalom and Achitophel
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:44 PM
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33. "Race" is man-made concept. The thread should have used "Ethnicity".
2 cents.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:43 PM
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32. Other - Caucasian & Native American
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 08:44 PM by mandyky
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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:23 PM
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Same here!
Ok, gotta rack my brain here! 1/8th red, out of that is 1/2 Cherokee, 1/4 Shawnee and 1/4 Seneka, and if I fouled up those speligns wel I am bee a Palm Beach Kowntee studmadent so nuff siad!

And can we PLEASE come up with a better term than Native American! Com'on! Anyone born on USA soil is...A NATIVE AMERICAN! How about RED PEOPLE? Nah, damnit, then the righties would think we're refering to Commies! ARG!

Lu Cifer
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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:04 PM
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35. no such thing
Race is a meaningless concept in human beings. There are races of Painted Turtle - Chrysemys Picta Picta and Chrysemys Picta Bellii - for example. But we are all Homo Sapiens here and are much, much more closely related genetically than two (very close for reptiles) races of Painted Turtles are. Did you mean skin shade? Or ethnicity? Hair color. Eye color? No? Shoe color?
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:19 PM
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40. I meant ethnicity.
Sorry to be unclear.
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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:21 PM
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56. no problem, thanks
No race, no gender, no class online - just people, defining ourselves instead of being defined by others.
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Squeegee Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:12 PM
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36. Mixed. 1/2 Scandinavian, 1/4 French, 3/16 German, 1/16 Black
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 09:13 PM by Squeegee
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:56 PM
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115. so many, many claims of Native ancestry; so FEW claims of Black ancestry
And black ancestry should be statistically likelier for people from most regions of the country.

Funny, that...


Mary
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scarlet_owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:14 PM
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37. Mexican, Irish, French, and German.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:16 PM
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39. I am half Lithuanian and half Croatian
but I am an American first and foremost.
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ilovenicepeople Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:21 PM
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42. Ukrainian\Yorkshireman
:crazy:
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sister moon Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:22 PM
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43. So white I'm nearly blue n/t
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NecessaryOnslaught Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:22 PM
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44. Carbon..
nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus....
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Tikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:23 PM
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45. Gropinator must really hate me.....
Native American and French....

and I am a Californian who voted AGAINST him.
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AbbeyRoad Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:35 PM
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46. I'm half latina (Dominican) and half white.
My Dad and his family immigrated to this country in the sixties. I've found that my mom's family has been in North America since before this was the US(as far back as 1600's). I've got a little Cherokee mixed in on my mother's side too.

Dominican racial heritage is a complicated subject of its own.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:44 PM
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47. Scots-Irish, Scottish, Welsh, English, German, and some sort of
Russian-Slavic sort of deal from a country that no longer exists somewhere near Budapest???
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:45 PM
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48. Kill Whitey!!
Just kidding hehehe

Hi fellow White People!
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:09 PM
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51. Ouch! That killing stuff hurts, man! (& NObody outkills whitey!)
My ancestors kicked ass.
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lady raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:58 PM
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49. me
Caucasian (Scandinavian and English), Cherokee, Seminole
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:11 PM
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52. I don't believe in race. Do I still have to answer?
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AlFrankenFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:14 PM
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53. Whitey white Southerner/Midwesterner
Depends one which side of the family you're talking about. Also lots of New England relatives.
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Technowitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:22 PM
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57. Irish!
And if ye don't think that's a race, ye got another think comin'.

;)
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:23 PM
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58. It's and insult to this Irishman to be lumped in with the English
I resent caucasion, because they are in it too. The rest of Europe is fine, but NOT England.:evilgrin:

God created alcohol so that the Irish wouldn't take over the world.:D
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:27 PM
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60. Does Sicilian-Irish qualify for caucasian?
I was always told differently.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:56 PM
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68. it does to me, that 's my mix ....eom
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puddycat Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:39 PM
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61. feline
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:44 PM
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62. I found out this year that I'm 1/6th Native American. :D
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 10:45 PM by Cat Atomic
But I couldn't look any more Irish. Well... unless I dyed my hair red, I suppose. But you know what I mean.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:45 PM
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63. There sure are a bunch of white folk in here!
Luv ya all!;-)
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:46 PM
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65. My Af-Am friend said
...that I'm the whitest white person she ever met. *sigh*
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:54 PM
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67. 100% Latina
And I even speak English!
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BamaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:00 PM
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69. 1/4 Cherokee, 3/4 European mutt ;)
Irish, Scottish, French, maybe some German
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UpsideDownFlag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:01 PM
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70. Cherokee Indian. I've got some special Hair-made products if you wanna
buy them.

:evilgrin:
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Dob Bole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:34 AM
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102. Me too!
Well, except the hair-made products thing. I've only been to the reservation once.

But that's where your sense of humor comes from!
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expatriate Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:10 PM
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71. Now I'm pretty much confused.
Lots of people here denying that there are differences between races, and claiming that races were made up by scientists - however, there are genetic differences between a black person, a Caucasian and an Asian. Race can be identified through forensics and DNA testing. For a couple of hundred bucks, you can have a DNA scan done which will tell you your heritage, and genetically, this goes beyond the four accepted races. This is done by genetic markers. A person of African ancestry will have different genetic markers than I, a combination of Caucasian and Native American ancestry, will have.

Some races are more prone to certain illnesses than others. Why try to ignore the fact that human beings are widely varied? To say that there is no difference between races is to deny the fact that I have epicanthal folds on my eyes, courtesy of my Cherokee and Seminole ancestors. Caucasians don't have epicanthal folds - so how can we try to say that there is no difference between the races?

I certainly wish there weren't differences between the races, because I could do without having insulin resistance as the result of my Native American heritage. It's far more common in people of African and Asian ancestry than it is in Caucasians, and most people who consider themselves Caucasian who have this condition actually do have African or Asian ancestry that they are unaware of, usually through Native American ancestry. There is a racial preponderance toward the condition because genetically, people of those heritages are not set up to digest the traditional, carbohydrate rich "white man's diet" - which is why diabetes is rife in people of African and Asian ancestry if they try to subsist on the diet that Caucasians thrive upon. Lactose intolerance is also high among people of African and Asian descent, because genetically, they are not set up to digest dairy products. Gluten intolerance and celiac disease occurs in Italians in a much higher degree than any other group. If there are diseases that are largely exclusive to certain races or ethnic groups, how can we say that there are no differences between races or ethnicities?

Perhaps "variety" is a more accurate and acceptable word to describe the differences between human beings, since "race" has such negative connotations, but to try to deny that there are no physical and genetic differences between the races is pointless.

And of course, trying to use the differences between people as a basis for discrimination or favoritism is just downright wrong.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:45 PM
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73. You and I have genetic differences
And you and I could be identified by DNA. Race is not defined as merely "something that can be identified by DNA". Race, in it's biological definition, signifies a genetic relationship that is too distant to produce offspring. IOW, members of different races can't interbreed.

Take your example of celiac disease in Italians. Italians are not a race. They can mate with Germans and produce a child.

Race, as the word is being used in this discussion (and most others), has nothing to do with genetics
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expatriate Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:35 AM
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80. Yes, I do realize
that Italians are not a race in the classic definition of the term - they are an ethnic group. Should have made that clear.

I can see dropping the term "race" and all its negative connotations, because it's far too broad a term to describe the infinite variety of human beings - also, at this point, I think most people are pretty much an ethnic mixture, wherever they might be.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:00 AM
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96. that's interesting
diabetes is all over my family, and my first cousin could pass for full to 1/2 cherokee, depending on what color she has in her hair that day.

I have also read that humans are more similar to chimpanzees genetically than Asian and African elephants are to each other
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:47 PM
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74. Race is not based in science
We are all humans.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:48 PM
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75. European American.
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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:19 AM
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77. Very mixed Caucasian and Native American
Typical Heinze 57 Variety type.
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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:28 AM
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78. non-racial being
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:32 AM
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79. WASP/ Native American
7/8 and 1/8 .... the 7/8 rules the "free pass", the 1/8 rules the heart.

:kick::kick::kick:
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 07:42 AM
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95. WASP/South American
One half Massachusetts, one quarter New York State, one quarter Argentine (of Spanish, Inca, English extraction). My father grew up in Buenos Aires.

My hot temper is my South American father's all the way.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:37 AM
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81. Human





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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:16 AM
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84. I do not fit anywhere..I am a mongrel
:cry:

father born in Havana to father from Spain, Mother from France
mother born in Kansas to father born in Ireland,mother from Bohemia

I have no idea what that makes me...except a mutt:)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:29 AM
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85. white as a sheet of paper
:o
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 03:20 AM
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88. Heinz 57
(heh, I'm related to Teresa)

Mother's side: Norweigian, Swedish, Danish

Dad's side: German, French, English, Indian (Cherokee -- same as Will Rogers -- kind of proud of that) and a touch o' Italian.

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Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 03:31 AM
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89. There is only on race! n/t
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 07:08 AM
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91. 100% italian, 3rd generation
born in NYC.
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NicRic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 07:28 AM
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92.  100% Italian 2nd generation !
Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 07:29 AM by NicRic
Born in Chicago , moved to N. California when 15 years old ,with the rest of my family. My Dads Father my Grandfather also came with us to California ,said the mountains reminded him of the "old country" We left alot of family behind in Chicago. My mother has 6 sisters and two brothers . I have 23 first cousins , trying to have a small wedding in my family is a impossibility. 90% of us Menolascino's and Ricci's are Democrats ! The other 10% where dropped on their heads to much as kids !
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 07:33 AM
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94. Human.
White as the day is long. Blonde hair, blue eyes. Some Nemasket Indian deep down in here, too.
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libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:00 AM
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97. Swedish-American/Mexican-American
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MsAnthropy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:03 AM
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98. I've never been to Caucasia!
And don't intend to go. It's blond enough in Minnesota.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:08 AM
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99. Made in the USA
Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 08:09 AM by Scout
family has been here only 4 generations (maybe 5) ... immigrants from Germany on my Dad's side, and half of my mom's side. My maternal grandmother's family had a mix of Welsh/Irish and German, with, I'm told but have no actual genealogical records of, some Native American.

Edit: forgot to add, I voted Caucasian. Won't it be nice someday, when the only option is "Human"?
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:23 AM
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101. Hey Jokinomx
Are you a yooper by any chance?

I'm a classic american mutt: known heritage includes (from west to east): Tennessee area Cherokee, Irish, Welsh, Scots, English, Dutch, German, Polish, and Lithuanian.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 11:20 AM
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105. Other: Human
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Dob Bole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 11:39 AM
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106. I don't believe in race;
I am Cherokee and "Southern." These designate me into ethnic groups, but I do not believe that race is anything other than the prerequisite to racism.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:05 PM
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107. Irish: We are the chosen people
and everyone wishes they were us.

haha Found that on a greeting card I sent to my brother once. Thought it amusing but then again, I am Irish. 2nd generation born here.

Cheers-- :toast:

Julie
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:02 PM
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109. My ancestors are not from the Caucasus mountains
They are from various places in Northern Europe. I wish the 19th century racial category term "Caucasian" would go back out of fashion where it belongs. After all, we aren't going back to the equivalent for people of sub-Saharan origin: "Negro."
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:16 PM
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110. Caucasoid Mongrel: Scottish, Welsh, Irish, Dutch, Huguenot, German...
And those are just the logs in the woodpile that I know about!
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democrat in Tallahassee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:24 PM
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111. I'm part melungeon
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