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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:48 AM
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Poll question: Were you ever not a 'ten percenter?'
In another thread, long-time DUers are recalling the period just after 9/11 when Bush's approval rating reached 90%, hence the term 'ten-percenter' to refer to those who never stopped disapproving of Bush--ever. You don't have to identify yourselves, of course, though I applaud the honesty and bravery of anyone who would, but I'm curious how many at DU now were in the 90 percent after 9-11. If you do identify yourself, you might say something about the history of your Bush approval rating before and after 9/11, i.e., when did you start disapproving of the bastid again?
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:52 AM
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1. Ok he had me fooled for a minute
And then he started up against Iraq ... why, I asked myself ...
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:56 AM
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3. Fooled you once...won't get fooled again!
Now were you really fooled, or were you trying to give him the benefit of the doubt?
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:11 AM
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10. I was trying to give him
the benefit of a doubt. Not one of my better choices, I fear.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:20 AM
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12. I appreciate your honesty.
:toast:

(We all make mistakes. Except Bush, of course. :eyes: )
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:21 AM
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13. As David Cross put it,

On the time right after 9/11 when people were gushing about his great "leadership"...

"He's still the same moron he was on September 10th. It's not like the planes hit and he went around the White House popping genius pills!"
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:50 AM
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17. Ain't that the truth, brother
He's stil fucking idiot.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:53 AM
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2. Before 9/11, After 9/11
Before he became (p)Resident, After he became (p)Resident...

Never a supporter or even remotely neutral towards him.

His record in Texas told me all I needed to know about him.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:57 AM
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4. When he went to Cheney's hunting buddy Scalia
to get the Supreme Court to stop the counting of votes, I knew there was no chance I could EVER support him
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:35 PM
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73. Did you see the Vanity Fair article about SC/2000 Election?
It includes interviews with some of the Supreme Court clerks who worked with the Justices in their 2000 election decision. Vanity Fair isn't normally available online, but you can get a PDF here:


http://www.goldsteinhowe.com/blog/files/VFPart1.pdf (part one)

http://www.goldsteinhowe.com/blog/files/VFPart2.pdf (part two)
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:58 AM
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6. same here, practically had a nervous breakdown Nov 2000
feel like I finally have a chance to break free of an abusive relationship-to some jerk I was betrothed to.

Never ever trusted the man. Even if I had known absolutely nothing about him, including his repuke status, just looking at his face speaks volumes. I knew he was evil. Not just incompetent or greedy, plain Evil.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:57 PM
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76. You know, that's one of the best analogies I've heard
that's exactly how I feel about next week's election - it's a chance to get out of a horribly abusive relationship that I'm somehow trapped in.

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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:57 AM
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5. 10 percenter
Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 01:59 AM by ccbombs
I teetered briefly on the edge of 90 percenterdom since I was as stunned by 9-11 as anyone. What saved me from it was: 1. The annoying way that religious leaders and right wing pundits were exhorting everyone to go to church and blaming, among others, atheists (!) for the fact that 19 religious nuts flew planes into buildings. The Right was exploiting 9-11 from the get-go. And 2.
Comments from fundies and wingnuts I knew like "Thank God Bush is our President because I don't think Gore would be so strong and resolute right now." :puke: Like it was divine fate or something. I still wasn't too anti-Bush yet as I was unaware of the incompetence of his administration that preceeded what could have been prevented easily.
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humanbeing Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:27 AM
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16. the DUMBEST thing about calling bush 'strong and resolute'...
Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 02:28 AM by humanbeing
..is that ANYONE could have done it.

It's the same act that any parent would have to put on to tell a child that a beloved pet has died, or something.

Put on a game face, tell us everything's going to be alright. Get a few photo-ops in (standing on top of rubble with a hard hat and a loudspeaker will do.)

ANYONE can be 'resolute' and 'strong', when you've got prepared talking points. Most Americans just forgot that Chimp's act was an act, and they wanted to believe so badly that they just...did.

Bush did nothing that no one else could have done. He never fooled me for a minute.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:32 AM
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29. Agreed
I never liked or trusted Bush. I am STILL angry over how he stole the Presidency, but like everyone 9/11 just stunned me. However the instant right wing exploitation of the event and all the crap about "we're lucky Gore is not President" prevented me from coming close to giving Bush the benefit of the doubt. Even in the midst of a national emergency the GOP was using the politics of division.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:54 AM
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63. When 9/11 happened I was afraid
of how everyone would start feeling about bush..

I was a greenhorn to politics then but I knew enough to be very afraid of that..and sure enough.

This time right now ..is the best in the world for us all who have waited so long for the real bush to be exposed for the slimeball he is.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:58 AM
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7. The Post 9-11 Wait-And-See Blues
I took a wait-and-see attitude toward Bush. I suspected that he would not "rise to the occasion," though I hoped he would. In spite of all of the partisan bullshit, I sincerely hoped he could pull the country together and forge a real international coalition to go after al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.

I just didn't believe he could do it. And my cynicism was borne out by events.

George W. Bush has been a painful disappointment by any and every measure. I look forward to his political demise.

--bkl
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:04 AM
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8. How could i EVER support a moran
He may have put on a better show from 9/12/01 to 9/16/01 but he was more a puppet then than ever.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:09 AM
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9. Once an alien lizard, always an alien lizard.







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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:19 AM
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11. I was too enraged by 12/12 to ever not be a 10 percenter.
I was, unlike the dopes ccbombs cites who thanked god Bush was "in charge," cursing the gods for leaving us vulnerable like that.

I expressed my feelings about Bush's job performance in a September 19, 2001, piece for DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/01/09/19_excuses.html
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:25 AM
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14. I had neutral opinion of him untill he started that spat over Taiwan
That was when I got a glimpse of what kind of foreign policy I was going to see from the bastard. I hated him even more with each passing day. Especially after 9/11. I never supported the Afghanistan war. And I hated the Democrats for supporting both wars at first. I always knew Bush was someone you could not trust. Kerry shouldn't have trusted Bush. I have forgiven Kerry now, and want to get on with this and get it over with. If anyone can do it, Kerry can.
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drdtroit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:26 AM
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15. Never even a greater than absolute zero percent of support.
Let's see:

Lied about Governor Richards, laughed at and mocked Karla Baye Tucker, lied about John McCain and his family, went AWOL from the TANG (for God-sake!), entered the position of President of the USA illegally, allowed 911 to occur, launched an illegal war in Iraq, working hard daily to reduce the USA to a second rate country.

Which one of those actions were supposed to illicit my support?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 03:07 AM
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18. The Visit to Bob Jones "University" Exposed the Real George Boooosh
He's a racist, fundie nutbar. How could anybody believe otherwise?
I was sure most people would see through him. I was right, but I
had not taken into account either Nader's desire to destroy the
Democratic party at any cost, or the Repubicans' ability to steal
the election.

10%
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lakemonster11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 03:30 AM
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19. Well...
when he didn't immediately start bombing the hell out of the middle east, he definitely exceeded my expectations, so...I guess I approved of that. I still thought he was a jackass.
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TXDemGal Donating Member (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 03:47 AM
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20. Stuck on a jet on a Newfoundland runway on the night of 9/11/01
Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 03:47 AM by cheryl_d
after being diverted after a trip to Europe, I remember telling my husband that I was glad the airline personnel hadn't been able to figure out how to pipe Smirk's speech to the nation to the whole plane. Instead, the pilot paraphrased afterward. I told hubby that if it had been broadcast to the whole plane I probably would have yelled out, "Fuck you, you pathetic piece of shit!"

I was the member of our marriage who, from the day of The Selection in 2000, was foretelling the doom that would ensue under a Bush 2 administration. I did not quite foresee HOW bad it would be, but I was pretty close.

So, always a member of the 10%.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 03:53 AM
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21. I've been in the minority since the 70's
There for a while in the 60's, the minority was in the majority. :)

Since then, I've been in the minority. It really got to me while protesting the Gulf War.

Being in the minority, and seeing what is happening when all around you have their heads firmly installed in the sand is very wearying.

I'm tired.

Just once, I'd like to be on "the winning side".

Really.

a completely exhausted Kanary
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 03:56 AM
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22. If Gore Had Been in Office, I Doubt The Attacks Would've Happened
And not because of any M/LIHOP theories; I think having a weak, stupid and pathetic appointed spoiled fortunate son made the US a target of opportunity. So, no, I never fucking approved of that little smarmy asswipe.
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 04:02 AM
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23. as i watched the towers come down...
...a feeling swept over me that "they did this! something is really wrong here"

i had no proof or clue - just a gut feeling. i was in total shock for the next month; i didn't feel the overwhelming patriotism - instead i felt grief and felt sickness watching dubya play cheerleader. when he didn't show up at the wtc site until days later and was basically awol the entire day on 9-11, i felt relatively sure my gut feelings were right on and he was somehow behind this tragedy.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:59 AM
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41. That was my reaction exactly!
I hated him before, and I hated him with a passion afterward. He has always made me absolutely sick.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:06 AM
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46. as I watched. . . . .
. . . . .I wondered how boosh engineered the whole thing.

I'll probably never believe the booshies actually planned and executed the operation, but at the VERY LEAST, their stupidily, blind arrogance, and consummate ignorance set the stage.

From the day he entered the GOP race, I knew this piece of slime was trouble. I have NEVER trusted him, except to do evil.


Tansy Gold, who doesn't really believe in "evil" but boosh makes her wonder sometimes.
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 04:50 AM
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24. I never could stand him...
and his actions on 9/11 did nothing to change that.
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 04:51 AM
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25. I hate to admit it

But yeah he had me fooled after 9/11. I knew that Afgan would be different and that Special Operations is what would be needed. When * seemed to be using them to great effect I was actually impressed. But now, I just don't know anymore what I believe with what I saw and have read since then.


So yeah he had me fooled
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:25 AM
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27. I'm glad you admit it. I'm gladder you're over it!
Welcome to DU! :toast:
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:19 AM
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26. kick
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:31 AM
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28. Never supported him for a second
I had to live under him as my governor for several years in Texas. I suspected that his incompetence was a key factor in 9-11 happening and I KNEW beyond a shadow of a doubt that he would a) use it to push his radical agenda and b) fuck up whatever goodwill we got from other countries at the time. He's an idiot and a mean-spirited SOB and it pains me that he's coming back to Texas after we kick his ass outta the White House...but I'm willing to take one for the team.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:37 AM
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30. You're a mensch!
We had to take Al D'Amato back in New York, but we've never had to take a hit like you Texans will. :cry:
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bmbmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:37 AM
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31. I knew within minutes that *
had let us down. Then, I watched in disbelief as he ducked from hidey-hole to hidey-hole. Proud to say I was one of the original "ten per-centers".
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:39 AM
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32. That turd was NEVER a Baby Ruth bar. Never.
Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 09:39 AM by TahitiNut
Nor are any other of Babs' bowel movements. I don't give a damn what the wrapper said.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:40 AM
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33. After using the Supreme Court to subvert the democratic
process, Bush would have had to walk on water to get anything out of me besides utter disdain. Approval? Wasn't going to happen. He could have had the most successful presidency since FDR, and it would have been made meaningless by the precedent he allowed to be set.
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Dob Bole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:41 AM
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34. Worst of all...I was option #3
I have sinned!!

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:55 AM
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39. Wow, Dob Bole!
I never knew that about you. Praise Jesus, you've come home! :hi:
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Dob Bole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:19 AM
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Don't worry...I caught up quickly
I had only voted in one election, and that vote didn't matter anyway.

Now I'm leading my revolution, thanks to Bush!
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:43 AM
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35. My wife wasn't, but I was always a ten percenter
After 9/11, Bush was all we had. I never approved of the man, but I recognized he was all we had. If polled, I would have been in the ten percent who disapproved of the job he is doing.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:48 AM
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36. he didnt even visit nyc immediately!
honestly..clinton came back from overseas before bush made it here...

i was however much more appreciative of guiliani during that time than ever before or after.

it wasnt partisan feelings...just lack of leadership shown by bush
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:01 AM
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42. "He Bravely Ran Away, Away...Brave, Brave Sir Chimpy"
What an effing coward he was - and still is!
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:03 AM
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43. I felt exactly the same way about Giuliani and Pataki
and even that rat bastard Rumsfeld, when I heard he'd rolled up his sleeves and helped Pentagon employees out of the wreckage (though now I doubt the truth of that report). This seems to prove that it's not my Bush-hating that made me a ten-percenter. I was in the 100% of New Yorkers (or 99% anyway) who approved of Giuliani and Pataki's 9/11 performances, even though I hated their guts before and have come to hate their guts again. I still tip my hat to their leadership on 9/11. But Bush? Feh!

I think a lot of New Yorkers were pissed at Bush after 9/11. I remember an article in the Times in which NYers heaped anger on him for disappearing on 9/11 and 12.

Incidentally, both Giuliani and Pataki have amply demonstrated that their golden performances in the week after 9/11 were flukes. They've resumed being the shits they always were. Rudy even believes his two weeks of human decency have absolved him from needing to be decent ever again. What an asshole!
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:53 AM
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37. I gave Bush a chance after 9/11, but I also said he better not
fuck up on that one.

The moment he mentioned "axis of evil" in his 2002 SOTU address was like a bucket of ice cold water thrown on me - and I said WTF?

Shortly after that, I heard about DU and joined up.


:kick:
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GOPNotForMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:54 AM
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38. I remember having coffee very late into the night with some friends...
...at this cute cafe. This was VERY soon after 9/11 and I remember us talking about how Bush was shitty before 9/11 and he's even shitier because of it. We actually got a few dirty looks from people nearby. The three of us were definitely 10-percenters.
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:58 AM
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40. I wasn't fooled by *; However, I WAS fooled by Guliani
thinking he was a good guy...

Until recently having to hear Guliani campaign for *

G
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:04 AM
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45. Giuliani was a good guy for two weeks. But he's been a shit ever since.
Just as he was before.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:21 AM
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49. Guiliani blew away all of his 9/11 good will
Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 10:23 AM by rocknation
by declaring that he would not start disbursing funds that had been donated to the city for 9/11 victims until March. Only a public outcry made him start disbursing them in time for the holidays. March is three months after December--was he planning to divert the funds, pocket the interest they earned, or both?

:mad:
rocknation
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:29 AM
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52. He blew his goodwill for me when he announced he thought the election
should be postponed because he thought he was indispensible to the city after 9/11. Asshole!
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:44 AM
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56. My only exposure to Guiliani was the "good-guy" 2 weeks
Until he started appearing on TV in favor of * after the debates. It was surprising after not seeing the bad before.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:49 AM
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59. Fortunately, he's been out of view mostly, raking in the dough his canon-
Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 10:49 AM by BurtWorm
ization by the right wing has wrought for him. But when he does appear in public, you can almost see the 9/11® on his newly denuded forehead.
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:04 AM
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44. He was a liar from day one
Couldn't convince anyone otherwise. Everyone was wound up on the Clenis. No one could show any evidence of the vandalism the outgoing staffers were accused of. Bush's* many vacation runs to Crawford, to name a few. I asked a few of my kool-aid drinking friends if they could get away with spending so much time away from work. No answer. :shrug:

I got tired of listening of how great Bush* is for doing absolutely nothing. So I found sites online, like DU and others. Learned more, could debate better, and shut up the kool-aid drinking neo-con freepers. :thumbsup:
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:18 AM
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47. The day he was selected I vowed never to refer to him as president
Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 10:37 AM by rocknation
or to his gang as an administration. Four days after 9/11, I yelled at my TV, "Dammit, stop telling me how to feel!" I hit the Internet because I knew I couldn't possibly be the only person who felt that there was more to 9/11 than we were being told.

I found a web site that explained the Bush-bin Laden family connection and said that Osama had been trained by the CIA. I also found Michael Moore's site, which led me to Democrats.com. When I tried to find Democrats.com again, I ended up at DU instead. The first thing I was posted here was something about having found a safe haven.

About two weeks after Bush started saying that the attack had bin Laden's fingerprints all over it, I posted on DU, "If we don't put some thought into how we retaliate, we're going to end up with a war that has Viet Nam's fingerprints all over it." The rest is history, LOL!

:headbang:
rocknation
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:22 AM
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50. I have never referred to him as anything but Bush or '"president"'
with the lower case "p" and the quotation marks. In the first year I referred to him as '"president" Bush' most often, but I got tired of typing quotation marks every time I mentioned him so I dropped the '"president"' eventually.
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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:19 AM
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48. I've always been a 60 percenter.
The 60 percent of Canadians who never could stand the guy.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:23 AM
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51. proud 10 percenter here
:hi:
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wellstone_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:36 AM
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53. I thought there was something *wrong* with me even on DU
I had another *cough* username in the first year or so of DU---I signed on in the first week or so it was up---but shut the hell up once the "patriots" were out in force even here.

I chalked it up to being in Boston on Sept. 11, 2001 and knowing people who suffered real loses in their families in the WTC. I thought maybe I was experiencing those times differently than (say) my sister in California or those of you who didn't have fighter jets circling your city all day---I didn't see ANY TV images of the "hits" until 9 that night. One of the few moments I saw TV was Bush* in Louisiana (or someplace) and I thought he was a hostage. He apparently was making a statement of some sort but he was slumped in a seat at a table and looked like a damn hostage. Funny, I haven't seen *that* video in a loooong time!

I spent the day evacuating a school and trying to locate NYC relatives of students who were terrified. I thought that separated me from those who *saw* more of the events or who actually were in NYC or DC who had real trauma.

But, no, there were moments that I envied that *belief* and solidarity but I never ever felt it.
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:39 AM
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54. They lost me with "keep shopping"
I was furious when that is what they were recommending as a coping mechanism.

I knew the second it happened that the chimp would find a way to exploit it.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:39 AM
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55. 10%er, hell his approval would NEVER get to 100% because I would
still vote NO bush*!

The fucking asshole had the audacity to run as a liberal (compassionate conservatism = liberal) AFTER he savaged John McCain and everything he touches turns to shit.

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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:45 AM
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57. sort of in the middle
i thought to myself

"i still really don't like this guy, but i'll give it a week or two before i start making fun of him again"

i didn't last 2 days

oh well
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:47 AM
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58. Always a 10%er
Nor for one moment did I ever even become neutral on this man. If you can't "rally the country," as he is so widely reported to have done after 9/11, after the country has been attacked by outsiders, you probably need help getting dressed in the morning.

I will admit to making the statement, about four years ago this month, that he was probably too stupid to be dangerous. I figured that the people around him if he got elected would keep him out of real trouble, like getting us into a war or something. What I wasn't counting on at that time was his cabal and that Congress would go totally Repug.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:50 AM
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60. Of course, I was! Anyone who knows me will tell you
that:D

When my friend said someone nice about bush when he threw out that baseball for the yankees back in 2001..I just made a face and said..he doesn't fool me!
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:58 AM
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66. But what a pitch that was, eh?
:eyes: :puke:



:hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 11:06 AM
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67. The yankees lost!
:hi: Sorry ..that's what I cared about since bush threw the ball..I wanted them to lose..I was grasping at any little straw I could..

It's been a long four years! We all deserve this win for Kerry so much!B-) O8)
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:51 AM
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61. When I realized SH couldn't do any more
There came a point in the buildup to the Iraq invasion. When Saddam let the inspectors back in and capitulated on virtually every other point. I realized that if he did not have the "weapons" he had done all that he could to prove his innocence.

Since that day my support for bush has continued to drop.
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gratefull4u Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:53 AM
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62. I was one of the 12% in the first Gulf war and became disillusioned
with my Country. I had a real hard time being around anyone who was "for war" or believed the rhetoric. This current war did me in, my family was ready to leave the Country. It was not until I found all of you here at Du am I beginning to want to stay and fight, thanks!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:57 AM
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64. I was screaming to voters about Bu$h being a fascist in 1999.
Literally. I had made arrangements to leave the country in case he seized power, and I left after he was selected.

Bu$h knew. His evil knows no boundaries.

Don't be an ostrich.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 10:57 AM
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65. 10%er here. I'm on a strict diet, no garbage.
I have never approved of anything that Bush has said or done. I never thought that anyone could surpass Reagan for sheer stupidity, but the adolescent chickenhawk from Texas has a talent for unbeliebable boobishness.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 11:18 AM
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68. Never in the 90%, not for a moment.
Too many years experience with B*sh, first, as governor of this state, and then as the selected pResident. I didn't buy his post-9/11 stance for a moment. In fact, as soon as I heard he was in Florida at the same time I was watching the WTC on TV that day, I asked, "So, where is going to run to and hide, now?" Coward.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 11:23 AM
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69. That 90% may be inaccurate as are current polls. HELPKERRYWIN.com
The media and the pollsters are not, IMHO, accurately reflecting the truth. Sometimes we know of their lack of partiality, other times we don't and still other times they may simply be innocently skewing their reporting. The post-9/11 rallying behind Bush bordered on group hypnosis - we were zombied, we needed a focus, some direction, and Bush was the only one in position to do it. This became a 'patriotic' rallying cry.

Please send the link for www.HELPKERRYWIN.com to your friends/acquaintances who support Kerry-Edwards for easy last-minute things anyone can do to get Bush out of office with no muss, no fuss. Everything we can do at this point matters. Next week it won't!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 11:23 AM
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70. I was never in his corner, ever
...and I felt bad that I could not get the spirit, but all I could think of was "WHERE THE FUCK IS HE???" I knew damn well that if it had been Clinton, or Gore, they would have flown to NYC and been at Ground Zero before fucking sunset, after they went to DC and addressed the nation from the Oval Office.

Seeing Guiliani, in essence, "leading the country" made me realize even more clearly than I already knew that weewee was a coWard.

He can run, but he can't hide. Chickenshit!
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:11 PM
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71. I am a 10%'er
But my husband falls into the second category.

We got married August 2001 and we shared a hatred of George Bush and were already getting a lot of our news from foreign press online.

We were watching TV a couple of days after 9/11 and Bush was giving a speech where he talked about how this war on terror would not be quick and could go on for many years. My husband was talking about how he hated having to support George Bush, but we better get start getting behind our president because it looks like we're going to need him for two terms.

I didn't know what to say. I mean, I didn't want to start a revolution or anything, but I also didn't want to forget he was the same slimy bastard he was on September 10th. And how did I end up married to a guy who made up his mind to vote for George Bush over 3 years before the election!!!

I'm happy to say he came back to his senses pretty quickly. I think he would have anyway, but it went a lot quicker with me talking to him. It was like waking up a sleepwalker. He couldn't believe he ever felt that way. He knew it was true - he remembered the feeling of resignation, but he couldn't believe he could succumb. I don't let him forget it either, especially when he starts to go off about all the *$#@$%& who still support Bush. Don't hate them. There but for the grace of God . . .
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:31 PM
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72. post 9/11 was a chance for Bush to show some character. He failed
He had an epic opportunity to remake himself as a human being and a man.

He failed.

He showed his unredeemable true character -- a coward, an opportunist, a liar, and a murderer.

He is scum.

Yes, after 9/11 I WANTED him, WANTED him to be "all that he could be".

But he's a goddamn loser and should be in jail.

Nobody, absolutely NOBODY should be proud of George Bush after 9/11. Not even his mother.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:42 PM
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74. He had my support after 9-11, and lost me completely the minute
he started talking about Iraq.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:55 PM
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75. My husband and I had been talking about him trumping up a war
Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 01:04 PM by geniph
We'd always figured that Bush would follow his daddy's example and wag the dog - trump up some bullshit war. Both Bushes are trying to follow the example of St. Ronnie of Raygun, and have a nice, near-bloodless, Grenada-type invasion that raises their poll numbers without any of the detrimental effects of an actual war. When the first plane hit, I was in the shower. My husband came into the bathroom and said, "it looks like Bush is going to get his war." Now, that's not saying they CAUSED 9/11, but I also think they had very little motivation to PREVENT it - and it gave them a (they think) God-given excuse to promote their evil PNAC agenda by then diverting attention to Iraq. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

During the weeks following, even with my black-ribboned flags flying at half-mast, I never moved over into the 90% column. I did support the attack on Afghanistan, but always thought they were doing it half-assedly, and without paying attention to the lessons of history. For chrissake, talk to the British - they lost and regained Afghanistan half a dozen times in the 19th century alone. They know something about fighting guerrilla wars in that terrain. They never committed enough troops to that conflict - they still aren't - and they never used intelligence and counterinsurgency the way they should have. That's why Afghanistan is still a mess.

The Shrub made the same stupid mistake his daddy did; he tried to pull off his trumped-up war too soon. Had 9/11 happened 8 months ago, he'd win in a walk.

The other reason I was never a 90 percenter is that he cut and ran. The country was being attacked, and where in the fuck was the leader of the Free World? He ran and hid. Clinton flew back from Australia THAT DAY to go straight to New York. Where the hell was the President? He didn't show up in New York for the better part of a week. Maybe it took him that long to finish his book.
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:29 PM
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77. I never approved of W. I thought he was cowardly after 9-11.
Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 01:29 PM by Redleg
I didn't buy his macho-man bullshit then and I don't buy it now. Bush has not done anything courageous or heroic during his presidency.

Even though I ultimately agreed with our invasion of Afghanistan to take out Al Qaeda, I feel Bush left that job undone. He is, and always will be, a big, resolute failure!
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:33 PM
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78. I saw 9/11 for what it was
A reason for Bush to pass his Gestapo platform. Sadly, I wasn't wrong.

I've been against him since day one since history shows what happens when you put the oligarchy in charge. Before that the govt was pretty good at keeping a balance in governence.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:05 PM
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79. i fell in with the crowd
with all of that "america, unite, support your leader!" crap, until i slowly realized that not only was there a cover up, but the administration didn't seem the LEAST bit interested in finding out HOW or WHY our collective intell agencies (which i then believed was the best in the world) were not able to act in time to prevent this from happening...i know now that it was willful negligence
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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:07 PM
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80. I was never in his father's corner
nor his grandfather's corner. I became a 10 per center in November 1963.

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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:09 PM
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81. I was a ten percenter.
If they had called me at any time during his term I would have said "disapprove". I did give him the benefit of the doubt during 2001, and didn't verbally attack him until he started hinting about war with Iraq, but I never approved of him being in office, or the horrible job he was doing.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:25 PM
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82. Always was, always will be a proud ten percenter
He demonstrated such a total lack of character or integrity during his 2000 campaign, the election, the recount, the selection, then he came strutting into office like he had a mandate. Ugh. :puke:

Compare that to Gore's concession, which I do every day, and practically weep.

Besides I strongly felt on 9/11 and in the immediate aftermath that his head should roll for this. Especially after his disgusting disappearing act. I hoped this disaster would finally end the nonsense that had been bandied about since his nomination "well he's not too bright or able but he's surrounded himself with such great people."

Puh-leeze.
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