I think we are being had by the polls, including Zogby

[still_one]

almost every poll I have seen plays it so the election can go either way, so no matter how the outcome they can still say they predicted it correctly. Even gallop, if you take there registered voters over their likely voters they could always backtrack

The truth is if there is a large voter turnout we will win big

[babylonsister]

1. From what I saw yesterday in TX,

turnout could/should be HUGE! People must be really concerned or angry, but they want their voices heard. Democracy in action!!

[robbedvoter]

2. The script is: "It's 2000 all over again" - hyping Nader is part of it too

I had a friend in 2000 who said: "I know they stole it, but it was so close, I don't really care"
The truth is, in 2000 - and much more so now, they are a minority - and that's the best hidden secret that the media/pollsters are fiercely guarding.
It pisses me off royally when I hear our people (Dean the most recently) :"let's face it, it's close".
No, it's not. never was. The "shoplifting may make it look so. Think anout it: in 2000, 6 million votes were not counted nationwide. How close was THAT?

[napi21]

3. All along I've been saying the polls have to keep showing close.

For their benefit and the benefit of the media! First they are CYS as you said, but the other big reason is to hold strong interest. If the spread is wide, nobody would pay any attention to the cable news chanels or the polls! It's all about the $$$$$$$.

[FlaGranny]

12. In a way I'm glad

that they're trying to hold a strong interest. If the spread were wide, perhaps not as many people would think they needed to vote. Although these polls tend to make us nervous and make it easier for them to cheat, I do believe it helps motivate people to vote. It makes me angry that they seem so fake, but pleased if they motivate us to fight back.

[dmkinsey]

19. DING DING DING DING

we have a winner

[info being]

28. The media doesn't care that much about viewership

They care more about mind control. Remember that big media owners are well-diversified, so they actually benefit more by mind-control even if it means lower ratings.

Let's face it, if their only goal was increased viewership, we'd have much better programming.

[Bonhomme Richard]

4. We know shrub is losing because his campaign is.........

acting as if he is losing.

[onehandle]

6. Yep. Heavy mud and desperation.

Sure signs of a losing campaign.

[papau]

5. I agree - GOTV will decide the race

:-)

[BiggJawn]

7. The polls just don't match with reports from the field.

HUGE turn-outs at Kerry rallies, record number of early and absentee voting taking place...The Democrats are making the '00 Gore campaign look like a sleep-walk.

Just last night, my girlfriend was telling me "There's NO way Kerry can win. MSNBC showed him losing every state but Mass and Vermont. He's even lost Colorado..."

I can't get it through to her that these polls are a gauge of ReTHUGlican households. You call 1000 phone numbers in a phone exchange where the gated communities are and the CEO's live, and the BEST Shrub can do is maybe 49%? and Kerry is polling 44%, with 6% yankin' the pollster's chain, and 1% saying "Ralf" just to be funny?

He can't get 50% from his "Base"? Even with the numbers cooked like cornmeal MUSH?

The ONLY poll that counts is the one we'll be taking on November 2. Everything else is mental masturbation designed to put something in your eyeballs between Ashlee simpson stories on the "News"....

[Butterflies]

8. I'm afraid they show it close so it can be stolen again

they couldn't get away with stealing the election if Kerry is polling 10 points ahead.

[robbedvoter]

9. Bingo! Diebolded for your protection

[bullimiami]

21. greg palast estimated that

they can rig the vote by perhaps 5-6%.
we know they cheated it in 2000 but maybe just not as well.
we dont need to worry about what happens in the brain dead blood red states.
the repugs dont control everything yet.

we need to win it big enough to overcome the fix and I think we will judging from the lines ive seen at early voting, like ive never seen before, nothing like this in 2000.

[The Minus World]

22. Palast is my Hero.

I heard him mention something similar in a KPFK interview. Essentially, all the GOP needs to do is inspire enough republican voters to turn some marginal states red, and Bush wins.

Did I just say "inspire enough republican voters"?

I'm sorry, I meant "intimidate enough democratic voters".

If you ask me, when one needs to resort to such divisive tactics, that is the true sign that one is losing.

[FlaGranny]

10. Not ONLY that, but

every single poll among voting groups shows Kerry pulling ahead. How can he be pulling ahead in every group polled, but not in the big, all-encompassing polls? Hmmmm.

[robbedvoter]

11. Exactly. And look at the size of crowds per candidate.

BTW, that's a little known fact - Gore drew huge ccrowds at rallies too - not that anyone covered that. It wasn't close in 2000 and it's 100 times less so now.

[MadHound]

13. Of course we're being had!

First off, most of the big polls are as influenced by Bushco as the media is, after all, a lot of those polls are being done by the media, Time, Newsweek, newspaper, etc. Then there is the faulty methodology of these polls. They are polling likely voters, and completely ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the living room, a record breaking 20 million plus crop of newly registered voters. Most of those are going to be going for Kerry, yet nobody is wanting to discuss their impact.

The polls are there to distract us, deflate us, keep us at home, and provide cover for Bushco shinnanigans. Ignore them, get out the vote, and we will win next Tuesday.

[robbedvoter]

16. I don't even buy the "likely voters" explanation. that would cover the

"we were evenly split in 2000" script. That was false as well. The LV polls are heavily stacked with GOP-ers as well - we lead those too, even without newly registered voters.

[NicRic]

14. I pray you are right.

The idea of bush winning this election makes me ill ! I cannot understand those who support this failure , even if its on a single issuse ,they should realize that bush is dangerous to everyones future in this country and indeed in the world !

[AmerDem]

15. No one in their right mind should listen to polls.

I watched Lou Dobbs the other day and he had a guy on that said it like it is, "anyone who tries to tell you these polls are acurate is lying!"

[bpilgrim]

17. LANDSLIDE

the pundits have been WRONG for years and I have no reason to expect they will get it right this time.

they are polling a small pool of 'likely voters' which ignores a huge segment of the pop and there are numerous signs that there is a MASSIVE VOTER BACKLASH coming.

don't expect the media to pick up on it since it wouldn't fit with their agenda.

kerry is gonna win BIG and the 1st debate was the icing on the cake.

let the neoCONs eat CAKE!

peace

[ElementaryPenguin]

26. In my heart of hearts, that's exactly what I believe, BP!

But you know these fascist bastards are going to do their darndest to steal it!

:mad:

[LibDemAlways]

18. Regarding voter turnout:

In 2000 my husband voted absentee. He mailed in his request for an absentee ballot and it arrived two days later. This year he mailed it in and it took 10 days to arrive. After 5 days I called the county and was informed that the number of absentee ballot requests was unprecedented and they simply couldn't keep up. The turnout is going to be enormous, and I think a hell of a lot of people are anxious to undo the injustice of four years ago and kick the chimp's sorry ass back to Crawford. Ordinary Americans who play by the rules aren't fond of cheaters and liars, and they are about to send two named Bullshit Bush and Crashcart Cheney packing.

[DeepModem Mom]

20. I think how we live in this country has changed so much, that pollsters...

know their methods aren't working (which is why polls are all over the place) but they don't know what to do about it. They're in a bad spot -- everybody's looking to them, and they're kind of stuck, with few at home to be polled, few willing to be polled, etc.

[drdtroit]

23. It's all about enabling these criminals to steal

yet another election. It has nothing to do with the pollsters simply wanting to cover their collective asses.

[Sinnerman]

24. Forget the National Polls...........

The presidency somes down to these states
OHIO,PENNSYLVANIA,FLORIDA, WISONSIN

Kerry Must Carry PA & if he gets Ohio it's over End of Story

[donsu]

25. calling the country equally divided is a PLOY

easier to rig the vote

don't believe the polls

[w4rma]

27. Please just ignore the polls and spend your time on something constructive

such as helping Democrats and Sen. Kerry get elected (particularly in South Dakota where Daschle is in a close race).

[robbedvoter]

32. I ignore polls, I can't ignore Franken, dean et al saying: "It's close!"

That's what kills me - our guys are buying it!
It took for ever to debunk "librul media" - when will they get the fact that polls are done by THE SAME GUYS???????

[Mr.Green93]

29. every vote cast must be counted

[Zorra]

30. Pollsters must be under orders to allow for BBV and other types of

republican instituted vote fraud. If Kerry was 10 pts. ahead in the polls and Bu$h won, folks might get a little suspicious.

Kind of like they did in Georgia in 2002 when Max Cleland was way ahead in the polls and Saxby Chambliss stole the election through electronic voting machine fraud.

So the polls have to be a tossup.

[SoCalDem]

31. What the pollsters don't realize is this..

THEY are making themselves redundant.. If 99% of them say it's "close"..."could go either way".."50-50"...who needs polls to tell you that stuff in a 50-50/good-evil/with us or agin us nation?

All their polls tell us is that about half the people are for change, and the other half must be dragged, kicking and screaming.

A lone pollster who bucks the system, and does an honest poll, is portrayed as a kook, or a partisan.. There is no real truth to be had with skewed questions, and specially selected polling samples..

I would like to see polls eliminated entirely, except for exit polls.
Exit polls are more important than any, because they can act as a "check" on the vapor voting machines.