A co-worker just edjumacated me

[ChickMagic]

I was talking about how I can't wait until we're respected in the rest of the world again. She informed me that the whole world likes Bush but hates us because they're jealous. I asked, "England is jealous of us?" Yup. Everyone in the whole wide world is jealous.

She also tells me that Kerry plans on getting permission from every country in order to defend America. Wow! Boy, was I ever wrong on that one! She said Kerry is too scared to deal with terrorists. I told her that he headed his swift boat into attacks and that didn't sound like someone who gets scared easily. Well, well, well. It turns out that Kerry lied about that!

Everything I know is wrong! What am I going to do?

</sarcasm> for the sarcasm impaired. :hi:

[SharonAnn]

1. Be afraid, be very afraid.

She's apparently voting.

[meow2u3]

35. Challenge her!

Don't let her vote :evilgrin: <j/k>

[smirkymonkey]

2. Give her a smack for me, will you?

Thanks! :evilgrin:

[ChickMagic]

9. It's just so weird

She's a really nice person most of the time, but when she starts bush-speak, you can physically see the change in her. She starts looking angry and downright frightening. I don't understand this on/off switch these people seem to have.

[smirkymonkey]

13. Tell her that because of Daylight Savings Time, the

election has been moved to Wednesday. I get the feeling that she might fall for it.

People who seem "nice" on the outside, are often (not always) harboring a lot of rage behind the facade. Behind her "reasons" for voting Bush is a lot of anger, fear and hate.

I should have compassion for people like that, but I don't. A lot of other people are going to suffer for the ignorance of the likes of her.

[RapidCreek]

36. She comes from that 50% of society which embraces fascism and or

Oligarchy when they are given the opportunity to do so. These are the same sort who will turn you over to the dictators enforcers and feel good about themselves as you are marched off to the gas chamber.

Never make the mistake of believing these people are "nice". They are not nice...they are fundamentally evil, they facilitate evil, they admire evil and they actively embrace evil even when logic makes quite clear what it is they are embracing. A friendly smile and happy disposition does not make one "nice". If it did we could call John Wayne Gacy a nice guy....after all, he was, until he got you into his basement. Plenty of nice Germans turned their Jewish neighbors over to be gassed, raped, murdered or used as slave labor.

What she has, isn't an on/off switch. What she possesses is an appealing exterior that disguises the evil bubbling underneath.

Many of us have relatives sho fit the above description....and for that reason refuse to recognize its accuracy. Their are many dead Germans who suffered the same niavte.

RC

[mitchum]

54. Well said, RapidCreek

[loudsue]

62. Holy shit, Rapid Creek!! You are SO RIGHT!!

In fact, I just bookmarked this thread because of your very lucid and sobering post.

What you said is soooooo true!

"Many of us have relatives who fit the above description....and for that reason refuse to recognize its accuracy. There are many dead Germans who suffered the same naivete."

I have several friends and a sister who are just like you describe here. They drink the fascist kool-aid because it resonates with the evil in their souls. A gentle and loving soul COULDN'T, WOULDN'T follow that line of reasoning that they are sucked in by, to follow that hateful line of reasoning.

Just like that guy in Texas that held his girlfriend captive at knife point because she was voting for Kerry. They are evil. Even the ones that WE want to believe "just don't know better"...they are still "resonating" with the message they are following, and it is pure evil. They AREN'T innocent bystanders to all of this. And they WOULD turn us in in a heartbeat, and feel good about themselves.

We need to get the media out of the control of the evil ones, so that we can at least educate the ones that are coming up, to think critically, to QUESTION what they're doing...to truly ANALYZE situations all the way through to their LOGICAL conclusions. Stupid people are ESPECIALLY DANGEROUS!!!

Such as: You don't invade a country with an entirely different culture, and kill many of their family members, and then expect them to love you and give you all their oil!!!! HELLO!!!!! But, look at how many people support the bush agenda in Iraq!! They drink the kool-aid because of the darkness that resonates in their hearts.

:kick::kick:

[gjb]

47. She's under the influence of hypnosis....

And by the way she's got it backward. I'm from Canada and we don't hate America and we don't hate Bush either. We're just appalled that that a sociopath is the President of the most powerful nation in the world.

Up here we think Bush is like a monkey in the zoo who masturbates in front of you. We know he can't help it but it doesn't make it less disgusting to watch.

[Dan]

52. Tell her not to worry,

that because the world is flat, a lot of people that plan to vote for Kerry at remote polling places will fall off.

[Ladyhawk]

53. I've noticed the same thing with fundies.

When they go into fundy-speak, their eyes get wild and they don't look sane. That's because they aren't sane.

[prodigal_green]

3. Dear, the only reason those girls tease you is

because they are jealous of you. I didn't believe it when they said it then, I don't believe it now. In my case, I was teased for being a geek, not an out-of-control meglomaniac.

[ChickMagic]

15. I was told that too

And had the same reaction. It is a pretty juvenile thing to say, isn't it? Or is it paternalistic?

[Kipepeo]

4. Look at this

PIPA found that Bush supporters are not in touch with reality: http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/Press10_21_04.pdf

http://www.pipa.org/

There is a lot of stuff here but one of the interesting ones to me is that a majority of Bush supporters believe that the world is behind Bush, when in reality in every single global poll Kerry comes out with 80% and the majority of the world does not support the war. (duh).

It blew me away that they would think the world is in agreement with them, when the world saw the largest global anti-war protests in the world and when all Bush and his supporters have done *consistently* is give the world the middle finger. French Boycott? Remember that? Why would they _ever_ be surprised that the world is not on their side??

[ChickMagic]

17. At this point

I think it's willful ignorance rather than denial. It totally messes with my head. I got a concussion on Friday and I'm still smarter than they are. :)

[susanna]

44. Willful ignorance is the term I use as well.

There is simply no other explanation...

[Kipepeo]

20. The British just voted Bush Movie Villain of the Year

http://news.sympatico.msn.ca/Entertainment/ContentPosting.aspx?contentid=20699f43ef9141a8826922b170734fdd&show=False&number=0&showbyline=False&subtitle=&abc=abc

Further proof he is so well liked! :)

[ChickMagic]

21. Oh, my!

That's too funny! LOL!

[Kipepeo]

24. The Brits must LOVE him!

;-)

[Parche]

5. permission slip

Where do they come up with this permission slip crap

We have never needed a permission slip from any country
no matter who was president


The whole world cant stand Bush
They love us

[Kipepeo]

10. You gotta read Lakoff's new book

He talks about the "permission slip" frame.

an excerpt:

http://www.thinkingpeace.com/Lib/lib108.html

That is what framing is about. Framing is about getting language that fits your worldview. It is not just language. The ideas are primary — and the language carries those ideas, evokes those ideas. There was another good example in the State of the Union address in January. This one was a remarkable metaphor to find in a State of the Union address. Bush said, "We do not need a permission slip to defend America." What is going on with a permission slip? He could have just said, "We won't ask permission." But talking about a permission slip is different. Think about when you last needed a permission slip. Think about who has to ask for a permission slip. Think about who is being asked. Think about the relationship between them.

Check the link for more...

[ChickMagic]

23. Thanks!

I'll add that to my list!

[jean]

6. one of the first things Kerry has to do it restore the Fairness Doctrine

and whatever else that can be done to restore some semblance of 'journalism' to the airwaves.People like your co-worker have been propagandized and must be RE-edumacated.

[POAS]

31. I've been on the Fairness Doctrine kick since the 90's

Media conglomeration and the profit motive driving news bureaus at the networks is stifling democratic debate and principles.

[A Simple Game]

56. But the news channels can't show both sides of a story.

That would not leave time to tell us every gross detail of every trial that should only be local news anyway.

[Sandpiper]

7. Europe is jealous of our healthcare system

It's the best in the world, just like Rush says.

[ChickMagic]

18. Hey, you're right!

Rush is Gawd!

[skygazer]

8. I get so sick of that "jealous" bullshit

The terrorists hate us for our freedoms and the rest of the world is jealous of us ..... why? Not sure. But they like Bush? Wow. I'd hate to see how they talk about those they don't like.

The truth is most of the world still respects the US and likes the American people but they despise our leader and suspect we might all be idiots since so many people here still support him.

Like your idiot co-worker.

[Lex]

11. The world is jealous of our crushing deficit and dead soldiers, eh?

[bacchant]

12. Don't ya just love it? Another bubble headed, body snatched, Beotch. eom

[jdj]

14. So america is the blonde girl with the great big tits?

except she had nuclear warheads in 'em?

ummmhmmm, right.

bless you for having to work beside such a fool.

[ChickMagic]

19. Aw, thanks

My immediate coworkers are thankfully pro-Kerry. This chick is just on the same floor, and I thought she was reasonable until she opened her yapper.

[Tsiyu]

22. UMMM

that was an educated, inclusive remark!
:wtf:
There are plenty of big-boobed blondes on this board who might just take offense at your gross stereotype.

Take a look at who is in charge of things. They don't have boobs; they're not blonde.

HMMMMMMMMMM???

What does this mean? OMG!

[jdj]

26. so sorry

What I meant was the girl everyone is jealous of.

It's not a stereotype, I'd love to be blonde (naturally) and have big'uns.

edit: I read your post again, I think you read a stereotype into my post that came from your head...

[Tsiyu]

51. I got you, so sorry too

and I'm not "boobed" or blonde either. I thought you were implying a "dumb blonde" when you were merely trying to represent the alpha ( physically) chick.

Sorry for the misunderstanding!

[dogtag]

16. ginbarn, I feel your pain...and share it.

Some of my fellow dog walkers who jokingly call me the 'walking encyclopedia' or the 'font of all information' when they're not in a position to google, can't understand how suddenly stupid I got when confronted with anything to do with John Kerry and his record. When it comes to things Bushy, I'm up a creek without a paddle, suffering from an acute I.Q. deficit. Go figure.

[ChickMagic]

25. Amazing, isn't it?

I'm accustomed to parrots, so I can recognize regurgitant responses when I hear them. That's what they all sound like to me.

[jdj]

27. what's upsetting is where they get their info.

mostly spam e-mails. Really.

[nine23]

28. Jealous? Hardly.

Sadly, your friend is reinforcing an old American stereotype: the ignorant simpleton/yokel who doesn't "get out" much.

I'm from Canada. No "jumping the border" in droves here. No crossing the "Rio Norte"...in fact, it's quite the opposite: Boatloads of Americans getting flu shots, busloads of seniors on prescription drug-buying junkets, not to mention thousands of ex-pats now just "getting out" of the states. But I digress...

When's the last time your friend saw a boatload of "Swedish refugees" washed up on the shores of Long Island?

People like your friend, sadly, make you all look bad.

Not to worry. We non-Americans are not stupid. We know yokels and idiots are the minority.

[UdoKier]

29. Why would the world be jealous of a nation...

That squanders 40% of its federal budget on the military, that doesn't even provide health care to 40% of its citizens, that has seen real standard of living slump for most people for almost 20 years now, where half of the people are so paranoid about "the coloreds" that they pack a fucking GUN. Where unions are bashed and the rights of workers pissed away in scam trade deals like NAFTA and FTAA.


Why the hell would people in Europe or Japan be jealous? They countries are civilized, and actually living in the 21st century. Aside from the internet, we're still stuck in about 1960.

Don't these people EVER travel abroad?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

38. No, the U.S. was much more genteel in the 1960s

Maybe not in racial matters, but Republicans and Democrats could have a civil conversation.

[jdj]

30. in case you are wondering, they start them young on the jealousy crap

Deuteronomy 5-9
you shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them; for I, Yahweh, your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me; WEB

thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I, Jehovah, thy God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the third and upon the fourth generation of them that hate me; ASV

You may not go down on your faces before them or give them worship: for I, the Lord your God, am a God who will not give his honour to another; and I will send punishment on the children for the wrongdoing of their fathers, to the third and fourth generation of my haters; BBE

thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them; for I, Jehovah thy God, am a jealous ùGod, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons, and upon the third and upon the fourth generation of them that hate me, DBY

Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, KJV

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, WBS

Thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them; for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the third and upon the fourth generation of them that hate Me, JPS

thou dost not bow thyself to them nor serve them, for I Jehovah thy God 'am' a zealous God, charging iniquity of fathers on children, and on a third 'generation', and on a fourth, to those hating Me;

blah, blah, blah

[George_S]

32. Propaganda works.

logic classes should be required in high school.

[jean]

37. Logic classes or units could be introduced at the elementary school level

I think - and continued through until graduation. It's important to have a basic ability to think logically. Everything else flows from there.

[George_S]

42. Do politicians want that though?

Earlier would be even better. It would help in a lot more ways than politics, like pop culture and peer pressure. It could solve a lot.

[IA_Seth]

43. Agreed!

I am sooo sick of the commercial-spouters that I have to "discuss" politics with in the work place.

Since when should American's decide their country's fate based on a 30 second TV spot?

Hell in a hand basket, hell in a hand basket....

[tsuki]

61. I vote

for reading and understanding.

[Iris]

33. They like Bush but hate us - I assume "us" is the American people?

They're jealous of us and like Bush because he is trying to give them the same freedoms they hate us for? Is that it?

Tell the dumb ass you're voting for Kerry and your vote will CANCEL OUT her vote!!!

[Skittles]

34. proof that absurd propaganda really does work

freaking sad

[DuaneBidoux]

39. Tell her that when you move into a new neighborhood

and the neigbhor across the street hates you he may be a jealous asshole. When his neighbor hates you, he may be a friend of a jealous asshole, but when the whole neigbhorhood hates you, it may be time to check the mirror.

And ask, why were they not jealous in the 1990s? They had more to be jealous of then when there were jobs, the markets were high, and people were prosperous.

[Lefty48197]

40. War is Peace

Welcome to Bushmerica.

[LiberalFighter]

41. Ask her why she uses cocaine all the time

[Delarage]

45. They hate us for our freedoms.

:shrug:

[Heidi]

60. Which freedoms?

The three or four we have left after four years of *, or the multitude of freedoms we had before * ?

[Digit]

46. Accompany her to a Recruiter.

If these people are SO behind *, tell them you will accompany them to a Recruiter where you will watch as they sign up for the service.

[HEyHEY]

48. Damn, our secret's out!

[mr blur]

49. It's true!

The only reason this Englishman comes to DU is because I'm jealous and want to spend a little while just being close to those things I have to live without - freedom of speech, a free press, a national health service, gun control, a head of government who isn't a moron - the list is endless. This is why I hate you all and love George Bush. Damn, we've been found out!

[Deja Q]

50. Didn't we escape England because of their oppressive policies?

Funny how the world works...

[mitchum]

55. Just tell her that she's a goddamn idiot (because that's the truth)

[Kobalinski]

57. New Anti-Nightmare Waeponry

Got a last minute video submission for all the Bush-fearing patriots out there...
www.bOnerproductions.com hosts a video which needs to be spread far and wide prior to this election.. Bit torrent link soon to come, but until then please download from the site and initiate BT streams of your own.. God Bless

PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST

DK

[w4rma]

58. Brainwashed by Rupert Murdock, Rev. Moon & Rush Limbaugh. Like cults. (nt)

[pauliedangerously]

59. I am so fucking over my dipshit co-workers

I can't tell you all how indebted I am to this website for easing my temper, and all of you for being here.