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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 05:46 PM
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so Bin Ladin has tried to manipulate US elections in favor of Bush
is it going to work?
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 05:46 PM
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1. BINGO
And the Republicans will help him with the manipulation.
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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 05:47 PM
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2. I just hope so...
So I can hang both Bush's and bin Laden's heads on a platter if Chimpy gets re-elected (re-selected)!
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Sinnerman Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:41 PM
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31. Alan Colmes of Faux News Predicts
Kerry with 300EV's
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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 05:48 PM
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3. How about - If you never want to catch Bin Laden - VOTE
BUSH! That should do it!
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Robbie67 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 05:48 PM
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4. in favor of Bush?
How do you figure?
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 05:49 PM
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6. how do i figure?
A Bin Ladin criticism this close to an election? Thats the biggest endorsement someone can get. Bin Ladin isn't a stupid man, I'm sure he knows this.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:09 PM
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19. He changed the subject from the missing explosives
coming to save a drowning Bush
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:15 PM
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24. Do you think Osama is stupid?
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eaprez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 05:49 PM
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5. If that's what anyone takes away from it.......
....then they are sorely lacking in critical thinking skills.
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cubsfan forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 05:54 PM
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11. Ah, the riposte! Well said! n/t
Professor 2
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blue sky at night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 05:49 PM
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7. I dont see the logic
This makes SHRuB look worse, and we all know he can't (or won't) stop another attack. So how is it to his advantage?? Oh, thats right, up is down and left is right, and no matter what happens the american public thinks shrub is better......NOT!
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 05:53 PM
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10. to a rational well thought out mind yes
but to the simplistic American media, its going to be spun as a criticism of Bush. That is what will be echoed, and that is what most people will get from it.
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Robbie67 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 05:57 PM
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12. So, Osama criticises Bush and people will be inspired to vote for Bush?
I don't see it. A "reverse psychology" thing would assume that people don't see this video as a representative example of Bush's failures to catch bin Laden.
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:02 PM
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15. it all depends on how the media spins it
that was kind of my point in asking the question. Personally I don't think Bin Ladin cares who wins the election. I do think he cares what the American people think, and that we force our leaders to stop fucking with the middle east.
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Robbie67 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:11 PM
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21. I think Osama wants Bush to win
A Bush win gives him more of what he wants: power and recruits
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 05:50 PM
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8. He pretty specifically said
he didn't think either candidate would make a difference.

It also sounded like he was implying that an attack is NOT imminent but could still happen depending upon how her perceives the American people (not really sure what that means).

Sidebar to Bush: You forgot SWEDEN!!
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Fed Up Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 05:53 PM
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9. Kerry, Democrats have to act fast to step on this roach before it gets
back into the woodwork, or it's going to make Bush look better.

Remember, Murphy's law is in operation here, and too many Americans can't think for themselves.

If something can make Bush look good, it will.

My stomach twisted when I saw this video was coming out 4 days before an election.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:12 PM
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22. exactly the opposite
Do you think Americans are really listening to the message? Of course not. This is visual candy that says, "I'm still here! Can't catch me!"

Where there might have been doubt that he was even alive before (which serves bush's interests), now we know he's still out there.




Cher

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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 05:58 PM
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13. We need to get real. Bush did not protect the country, indeed,
he did not even look up from his kiddie-book to take charge! The intelligent voters are not going to go for another 4 years of this insanity. Everyone knows there is no guarantee we can catch Bin Laden and his people, but we all know we need a real Commander in Chief to get the ball rolling. Idiot boy is going to be history on Tuesday!
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thomas_a Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:00 PM
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14. Read What Osama Said About Bush
Would this inspire you to vote for Bush?
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:02 PM
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16. I don't think it will
Edited on Fri Oct-29-04 06:03 PM by TexasDem4Kerry
I am not 100% sure that was even his reason for the video. If not for the timing I would say it was not.

The content of his speech was apolitical as to who becomes president, more about American morons. I thought that was *'s base for the most part? Showing himself alive, well and looking MUCH better than we last saw, well, that may not help * at all.
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:03 PM
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17. I disagree with that analysis.
OBL does not care who is president. To him Bush and Kerry are birds of a feather.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:18 PM
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25. Would the US have different foreign policies under Kerry and Bush?
Of course it would -- that's one of the reasons we're supporting Kerry.

So to say that Bin Laden doesn't care is equivalent to saying that he doesn't care what foreign policy the US leads.

So what's left -- "they hate us for our freedoms"??

Of course he cares. Bush has helped Bin Laden and his causes in more ways than I can count.
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:31 PM
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30. I just accidentally replied to myself instead of you...trying again
To slightly rephrase something I just posted on a different thread:
I know the argument that the Bush administration has enraged the world so much that there are all these new terrorist recruits. But that´s how it looks to us. Thousands of disenfrenchised poor were dying as a result of American policies in the Middle East under Clinton. I know Clinton is loved on this board, and obviously neoliberalism with its problems is preferable to the Apocalyptic Neocons, but let´s not delude ourselves here. It´s not like Bush started the Crusade against the Middle East and now they are mobilizing and Kerry´s policies will be radically different. Both Bush and Kerry have foreign policies that benefit the American Empire, it´s just that Kerry´s are less blatantly unilateral and arrogant. So, he would work with other nations. OBL and his supporters don´t care if the US screws them in a lone-cowboy fasion or in conjunction with other Western powers. The whole "Kerry's foreign policy will be different" is part of the myth that the Bush foreign policy is an exception to US behavior abroad, rather than just a particularly concentrated dose of it. The only thing that the Bush administration really did differently was the importing of certain policies and abuses of power that have previously been contained to shenanigans abroad (like Chile etc.) to the home turf. I Obviously OBL had no trouble organizing Al-Queda and other assorted "martyrs´" brigades way before Bush came into power. OBL is kind of like the people who are so left that they refuse to vote for Kerry because to them there is no difference between the two.

I am not voting for Kerry because I have high hopes for his policies abroad, he will simply pursue the interests of the American Empire in different ways. I am voting for Kerry because he is better on domestic issues like abortion and labor and because I am honestly terrified of the fundamentalists. But for people who are living in poverty and misery abroad, who won't be affected by Kerry's or Bush's respective stance on abortion, I don't imagine there is much difference between them.
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:29 PM
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29. Not different enough for OBL.
To slightly rephrase something I just posted on a different thread:
I know the argument that the Bush administration has enraged the world so much that there are all these new terrorist recruits. But that´s how it looks to us. Thousands of disenfrenchised poor were dying as a result of American policies in the Middle East under Clinton. I know Clinton is loved on this board, and obviously neoliberalism with its problems is preferable to the Apocalyptic Neocons, but let´s not delude ourselves here. It´s not like Bush started the Crusade against the Middle East and now they are mobilizing and Kerry´s policies will be radically different. Both Bush and Kerry have foreign policies that benefit the American Empire, it´s just that Kerry´s are less blatantly unilateral and arrogant. So, he would work with other nations. OBL and his supporters don´t care if the US screws them in a lone-cowboy fasion or in conjunction with other Western powers. The whole "Kerry's foreign policy will be different" is part of the myth that the Bush foreign policy is an exception to US behavior abroad, rather than just a particularly concentrated dose of it. The only thing that the Bush administration really did differently was the importing of certain policies and abuses of power that have previously been contained to shenanigans abroad (like Chile etc.) to the home turf. I Obviously OBL had no trouble organizing Al-Queda and other assorted "martyrs´" brigades way before Bush came into power. OBL is kind of like the people who are so left that they refuse to vote for Kerry because to them there is no difference between the two.

I am not voting for Kerry because I have high hopes for his policies abroad, he will simply pursue the interests of the American Empire in different ways. I am voting for Kerry because he is better on domestic issues like abortion and labor and because I am honestly terrified of the fundamentalists. But for people who are living in poverty and misery abroad, who won't be affected by Kerry's or Bush's respective stance on abortion, I don't imagine there is much difference between them.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:06 PM
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18. OMG....how the HECK could Osama be supporting El Chimpo by....
...being alive and well???

Are you really serious?
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:19 PM
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26. The fact is...
...that if Americans really had the thinking capacity you suggest, every time there is a terror alert, Bush's raitings would go down. But the opposite is true.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:19 PM
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27. The fact is...
...that if Americans really had the thinking capacity you suggest, every time there is a terror alert, Bush's raitings would go down. But the opposite is true.
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lizzie Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:10 PM
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20. On MSNBC right now
Andrea Mitchell is saying the Bush people must be pleased with the tape, something like best thing that could happen in last few days before election. She says makes it hard for Kerry to use his line about OBL not being caught by Bush. What are these people thinking...oh yeah...they know how Rove works! God, I'm depressed!
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thomas_a Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:15 PM
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23. Don't Panic!
Read what Osama said about Bush. It makes Bush look like an impotent fool, not a great leader.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:21 PM
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28. There's nothing on the Free Republic main page about this.
Waiting for Fox/Rupert Murdoch to tell them what to think?
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