Who do you think Deepthroat was?

[JohnKleeb]

I know very little about Watergate, though I did see All the President's Men this past week in journalism class, great movie, highly recommend it. I think deepthroat was not someone concerned with ethics at all but an oppertunist who wanted Nixon out so he could start uprouting his own political career. For that reason, I highly suspect George H.W Bush, who I believe was head of the RNC at the time.

[flowomo]

1. Fred Fielding.... Google it

[JohnKleeb]

2. will do

Seems like Mr. Fielding was a deputy counsel to Nixon, and then became cousnel to Reagan from '81-86. Finished reading a slate article about that, good point.

[flowomo]

24. my newspaper column on this from 2003:

http://cumberlink.com/articles/2003/07/11/editorial/rich_lewis/lewis01.txt

[indigobusiness]

61. Deepthroatuncovered.com...........link

http://www.deepthroatuncovered.com/

[zydeco]

64. Theory I read here on DU

that it was papa bush makes the most sense to me.

[Citizen Plain]

63. Merely furthering the fiction

That Fielding was tapped for the smoke-and-mirrors 9/11 Commission to block effective inquiry into still-glaring inconsistencies is only consistent with his Watergate roles. But that doesn't mean that he, or anyone, was "Deep Throat," since there was no first break-in at DNC headquarters at all, making the entire story, bow to stern, a fraud.

The journalism students--and you as well, apparently--use as your starting blocks the precious, but false, sentiment that your own bretheren, Woodward and Bernstein, can't be seditious liars. If they aren't, they are, at best, willing patsies for seditious liars.

No journalist has ever actually covered "Watergate." If even one ever had, he would have discovered and exposed what is revealed and proven beyond a reasonable doubt in the public-domain articles of "THE REAL DEEP THROAT," which are excerpted and linked to in this thread.

Maybe you can be the first journalist ever to cover the story. Then you won't waste any more of your life in the snipe hunt for "who was Deep Throat."

Citizen Plain

[H2O Man]

3. It was a composite ....

of three people. I'll list another: Patrick Buchanan.

[flowomo]

23. Woodward, Bernstein and Bradlee deny the composite theory....

and Buchanan was a tempting suggestion.... but had been pretty much dismissed (though I still find that one intriguing!)

[Snotcicles]

34. I say Alexander Hiag n/t

[H2O Man]

47. Of those three, only Woodward knows

for sure. And keep in mind that he is not always honest. For example, he's interviewed a CIA director who was in a coma, if you remember that.

[Peachhead22]

4. Linda Lovelace

well, duh! :)

[Egalitariat]

48. Good one. What talent*********

nm

[Spiffarino]

67. "Follow the money..."

Kaaaccchhh...ccchhhh...glllglgglglggll

[UpsideDownFlag]

5. Henry Kissinger.

i know, of course it isn't him. but how awesome would that be? it'd just highlight his arrogance and power lusts even more.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

6. It has not been totally proven or disproven....

About 2 years ago some thought it was Pat Buchanan. But I guess it was decided that it wasn't him.

[madrchsod]

7. some catholic school girl

that sucked a dick down her throat and became famous then after her life turned to shit she became a poster girl for the meese commission`s anti porn crusade..but alas she crashed her car into some concrete and died...yes it was "linda lovelace"

[vinnievin777]

8. Ben Stein

That's just what I heard.

Vinnie Vin
http://www.vinnievin.com

[Zen Democrat]

27. It was Ben's father Herb Stein that was in the Nixon administration.

[MADem]

38. Ben was there too

http://home.t-online.de/home/reynders/wy/stein.htm

...as a speechwriter on economic matters.

[indigobusiness]

9. Novak

is the current Deepthroat..

[UpsideDownFlag]

10. Henry Kissinger.

i know, of course it isn't him. but how awesome would that be? it'd just highlight his arrogance and power lusts even more.

edit: "awesome" as in sweet, sweet irony that caligula was taken down by, oh, who's a good comparison....Nero.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

11. Here's the likely candidates....

http://www.comm.uiuc.edu/spike/deepthroat/10.html

This journalism group first decided that it was Pat Buchanan - then changed to Fred Fielding.

http://deepthroatuncovered.com/

[davsand]

12. Whoever Deep Throat was had to be an insider.

Whoever it was had FULL access to all of the dirt and details of the Oval office. I lean toward Dean simply because he was the only one objecting to much of anything on the tapes. He was also one of the inner circle.

Pat Buchannon is also a possibility, however, I've never been convinced he was enough of an insider to have known some of that stuff...


Laura

[H2O Man]

15. It is most likely a composite

There was a significant group of people within the administration that had concerns about : <1> Nixon's stability; <2> the need to grab power to protect the emerging far-right wing; or <3> a combination of both. The groups and individuals who have studied this seriously have had a common problem, and that is that no single suspect seems to be able to have provided all of the inside information. The thing that could be the key to understanding this is that Woodward was the one who actually had the full contact with "Deep Throat." The truth was most likely not fully shared with either the editor or Carl. And if one considers the possibility that there were at least two, but very likely three sources, it becomes easier to link specific information to specific sources.

[American Tragedy]

42. Why would Dean want to keep his identity secret??

I would think that he would have far more to gain from revealing himself, at least within the ensuing years. He already was perceived as a turncoat to the Republican party and any future political career was shattered. It seems to me that he would embrace the role of the mysterious, heroic whistleblower who took down the Nixon administration.

Deep Throat had reason to believe that he still had a future in American politics, and that he could not afford to have his identity revealed at any point during his life.

[davsand]

44. Deep Throat may have been worried.

I'm not sure I'd want to be known as the guy who took down Nixon with so many of his cronies still running around out there. Plus, given Nixon's mental state he could possibly have been seen as a threat personally.

Ratting somebody out to the media is not always seen as a heroic act, nor is it appreciated by the guy you ratted out.

Laura

[American Tragedy]

51. My point is that he had already established that reputation

So why not go all the way with it? How could those guys be more pissed off at Dean than they already were?

Furthermore, Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Nixon, etc. are dead. Why not come out with it now?

[freetobegay]

13. Linda Lovelace?

:shrug:

[smitty]

35. yeah, linda lovelace

Woodward and Bernstein named the informant "Deep Throat" after the porno movie of the same name. Linda Lovelace starred (so to speak)in the movie---which was enormously popular in the early 70s.

[niceypoo]

14. Harry Reems in drag

*lol*

[Elidor]

16. You're right about Deep Throat not being a good guy

Many have assumed he was acting out of concern for democracy or distaste for the criminality of the Nixon administration. I believe just as you do: he was a craven opportunist.

I took the time to read the entire web site devoted to the subject by that journalism professor and his class, who concluded that Deep Throat was Fred Fielding. They make a very compelling case.

Note that Fred Fielding was a member of the 9-11 commission.

[Cleopatra2a]

17. Dick Cheney or Don Rumsfeld

I was watching Frontline's Rumseld's War on PBS, and they played an audio clip of Nixon saying Rumsfeld had to go. I forget what position he held at the time. Dick was his "assistant". Look who came out on top after that. Dick and Don were right there when Gerald Ford took office and they are still around wreaking havoc.

[Bandit]

18. I also believe it was Bush

He needed to get the attention off JFK and onto something totally different.Remember they were having committee meeting about the Warren Commission at that time and in fact they determined it was a conspiracy. Something so powerful that it would garner the whole nation's attention for years to come. He didn't like Nixon anyway.

[w4rma]

19. I think it was one of the more powerful backstabbing Repukes that are now

currently in power who were also in Nixon's administration.

[fear the donkey]

20. Is Woodward Going To Say?

or was he planning on taking it to his grave?

[indigobusiness]

22. Depends on if he croaks before

Deepthroat does.


edit- Doesn't Bernstein know, too?

[Dulcinea]

25. Woodward, Bernstein & Bradlee all know.

They've said they'll reveal his identity after he's dead.

[leftofthedial]

21. a neocon

Watergate was an internal coup within the repuke party

[msanthrope]

26. Diane Sawyer......n/t

[dancing kali]

28. My bet has always been

Rose Mary Woods. The one person who really would have had access to everything.

[flowomo]

29. nope, she's dead... and Woodward will tell when DT is dead

[Citizen Plain]

62. No he won't

The entire "Deep Throat" saga was just one more snipe hunt, just as "who ordered the first break-in" was, since there was no "first break-in" to begin with. The entire thing was a fraud, proven beyond any reasonable doubt in the articles of "THE REAL DEEP THROAT" that are excerpted and linked to in this thread.

Woodward and Bernstein were willing purveyors of malicious fiction.

Citizen Plain

[Seabiscuit]

41. Alexander Butterfield

He was the one person in charge of the tapes and taping. He and he alone (besides Nixon) had an opportunity to hear every word spoken in the oval office on tape. Remember, he's the guy who testified to the existence of the taping system to the Ervin committee after John Dean testified that Nixon's behavior led him to believe Nixon was taping the discussions.

[YoQuieroLiberty]

30. Ted Nugent n/t

[CreekDog]

31. I know who it is

Hal Holbrook, I can just make out his face, he's in a shadow, but it's definitely him.

[HEyHEY]

32. DIanne Sawyer

[American Tragedy]

37. Woodward/Bernstein say it's a man

[HEyHEY]

46. Yeah, DIanne Sawyer

[indigobusiness]

60. Hey now...LOL...And Dianne keeps lurking in darkened parking garages....

Trying out for the job.

[blm]

33. Poppy Bush. That is why Woodward is always able to get close to the Bushes

Woodward went from Naval Intelligence to the Washington Post and FOUR months later had the Watergate scoop?

Woodward always manages to provide the Bushes some protection even when he is perceived to be unveiling their actions.

[American Tragedy]

36. I've always wondered why Bush was rarely posed as a possibility

I've read plenty of books on the subject, and authors have overlooked him consistently, despite the fact that he was known to detest Richard Nixon. He had an office down the hall from the Prince of Darkness and surely had access to sensitive information as head of RNC.

An important thing to remember about Deep Throat is that it was somebody who escaped the Watergate scandal professionally unscathed; their careers weren't destroyed, and they have apparently never been able to embrace the historical role of Deep Throat as a heroic whistleblower. Hard for someone like me to understand, since I would have been proud to have exposed it, partisan politics aside.

They had reason to believe that they still had a future in a Republican party and in American politics, and that they had much to lose from having their identity revealed at any point during their lives.

[MADem]

40. I don't think he smoked....n/t

[MADem]

39. We know four things for sure

DT was a MAN, baby!

DT was NOT a composite.

DT smoked.

DT drank scotch.

I still vote for Buchanan, despite his protestations. He is a hardass who has firmly held views. He even left the GOP for the Reform Party, and ran for Prez on that ticket. I don't think he hates Nixon, I think he was woefully disappointed that the "Nixon vision" was perverted by the nefarious deeds. I'll bet privately that he feels poor Dicky was somehow "led astray" by the evil Colson, Haldeman and Erlichman. It's always easier to blame an underling or two...just ask weecowboy!

[PCIntern]

43. It was the guy who transcribed and duplicated

the Oval office tapes of nixon's. Of course they had dupes so nixon would have to turn them over and get hung. That's why he didn't destroy them.

[klyon]

45. I really do think it was Kissinger

KL

[Rebellious Republican]

49. Fred Fisher Fielding, Pat Buchanan are top two choices!

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Deep%20Throat%20(Watergate)

[SarahB]

50. Pat Buchanan.

[Citizen Plain]

52. There was no "first break-in" at the Watergate...

ARTICLE EXCERPT from "THE REAL DEEP THROAT":

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There was no "first break-in" at Democratic National Committee
headquarters at the Watergate on 28 May 1972 as claimed by Liddy,
Hunt, McCord, Baldwin and their CIA-trained pack of Cuban liars,
nor were there any failed "attempts" on 26 and 27 May 1972, as
they also claimed. It is, and always has been, a lie.

There is not now, and never has been, a single scrap of evidence
to corroborate their stories of the alleged "first break-in" and
prior failed attempts. They only "corroborated" each other.

That's why none of their cooked stories ever made any sense to
anybody who tried to make sense of it.

That's why the so-called "logs" of the allegedly tapped DNC phone
were always described as having been "worthless" by the players
who peddled the story, and were destroyed without anyone
investigating the case ever seeing any such alleged "logs." Of
course they were worthless: they were fictional, manufactured
work-product "logs" filtered through Liddy, not logs of actual
phone calls, because the phone was never tapped.


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FULL ARTICLE IS HERE:

http://tinyurl.com/4hm8n

Citizen Plain

[Citizen Plain]

53. Why is Liddy Lying about 26 May 1972?

EXCERPT from 2nd article by "THE REAL DEEP THROAT":

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Liddy had eight years to get his story straight about 26 May 1972
before he published the pack of lies he called "WILL" in 1980.
Liddy had 11 more years to get his story straight before he
"completely updated" his pack of lies called "WILL" in 1991.
Liddy had five more years to get his story straight before he was
put under oath, on videotape, in deposition in December 1996.

Can you count the contradictions?

The alarm was supposed to be "disarmed by McCord" after 11:00
p.m., this was "the key" to their plan - yet McCord "excused
himself from the banquet" before it was even served, never to
return, and suddenly, somehow, became a look-out checking for
whether the DNC headquarters was vacant or not?

The film was a "travel film" - but also somehow was "a film
appropriate to training of business people"?

Liddy was there at the banquet, helping to polish off McCord's
plate, being bored by the travel/business-training film, and left
with the rest when told to - but "was not at that dinner"?

So which time was Liddy lying: in his book, or under oath?

The correct answer is: both times. Liddy is a career liar.

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Full article here:

http://tinyurl.com/6xu42

Citizen Plain

[ahem]

54. Buchanan, Kissinger, or Fielding...

One of the three...or not.;-)

[Citizen Plain]

55. Liddy Lied about Photos of O'Brien's Office

EXCERPT from 3rd article by "THE REAL DEEP THROAT":

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G. Gordon Liddy claims that on Monday, 29 May (Memorial Day)
1972, he delivered to Jeb Magruder Polaroid photographs of the
interior of the Watergate office of Democratic National Committee
Chairman Lawrence O'Brien. Liddy claims that the purported
Polaroids had been taken by Bernard Barker on the night before,
28 May 1972, during an alleged "successful entry" into the DNC
offices at the Watergate. Liddy is a liar. There were no such
Polaroid photographs. There was no such "entry" on 28 May 1972.

First, here is career-liar Liddy in his book, "WILL," lying about
the Polaroid photos of Lawrence O'Brien's office, which he claims
was "proof" of a "successful entry" the night before:

"On Monday morning, 29 May, I reported to Magruder the
successful entry into Democratic National Committee
headquarters in the Watergate. For proof, I showed him
Polaroid photographs of the interior of Larry O'Brien's
office, taken by Bernard Barker. Magruder was pleased."

G. Gordon Liddy
Book, "WILL"

Liddy is a liar.

There were no Polaroid photographs of the interior of Lawrence
O'Brien's office taken by Bernard Barker on 28 May 1972 - not
according to Bernard Barker himself in testimony before the
Senate Watergate Committee. ...

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Rest of article is here:

http://tinyurl.com/4thea

Citizen Plain

[Citizen Plain]

56. No "bugs" were planted in the Watergate

EXCERPT from 4th article by 'THE REAL DEEP THROAT":

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Why do these career-liars constantly contradict each other about
the "bugs" McCord purportedly planted in the Watergate on 28 May
1972 on orders of G. Gordon Liddy?

BECAUSE THERE WERE NO BUGS AT ALL INSIDE DNC HEADQUARTERS.

The entire story, start to finish, is a LIE.

...That's why the phone company sweep of the DNC headquarters at
the Watergate just days before the actual break-in - on 16-17
June 1972 - found no trace of any bugging device on any phone.

THERE WERE NO BUGS AT ALL INSIDE DNC HEADQUARTERS at any relevant
time alleged by Liddy, Hunt, McCord, and their other CIA
co-conspirators concerning the phantom "first break-in."

There is not now, and never has been, a single scrap of evidence
to corroborate any of their stories about the alleged "first
break-in." Why? Because there never can be any "evidence" of
something that never occurred. ...

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Rest of article is here:

http://tinyurl.com/3o7lj

Citizen Plain

[Citizen Plain]

57. Liddy and Baldwin lied for each other

EXCERPT from 5th article by "THE REAL DEEP THROAT":

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Liddy has sworn under oath that the man he claims he was
introduced to for the first time "monosyllabically, using
aliases" inside the "observation post" that night of Wednesday,
31 May 1972, was Alfred Baldwin:

LIDDY: The listening post was across Virginia Avenue
Southwest, in a room in the Howard Johnson's motel.

QUESTION: And did you have occasion to visit that room?

LIDDY: Yes. Mr. McCord brought me there to see the setup, so
to speak. It was after dark. ...And I was sort of
monosyllabically introduced to a man who turned out to be Mr.
Baldwin, who was seated there and was observing.

G. Gordon Liddy in sworn testimony 6 December 1996

But that's not what Alfred Baldwin says. Alfred Baldwin swore
under oath before the Senate Watergate Committee that he and
Liddy were first introduced NOT "after dark" on the night of
Wednesday, 31 May 1972, but FIVE DAYS EARLIER, during the
afternoon of Friday, 26 May 1972:

SENATOR WEICKER: Mr. Baldwin...you returned to Connecticut on
May the 23rd and came back to Washington on May the 26th; is
that correct? ...

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Rest of article is here:

http://tinyurl.com/6fyh3

Citizen Plain

[Citizen Plain]

58. What Sally Harmony Saw - THE REAL DEEP THROAT's last

EXCERPT from 6th and last article by "THE REAL DEEP THROAT":

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Sally Harmony was G. Gordon Liddy's secretary when on 5 June 1972
Liddy had her type "logs" of telephone conversations that Liddy
provided to her. The crisp and efficient typing of Sally Harmony
not only resulted in the resignation of a President of the United
States, it also paved the way for the creation of the CIA's
top-secret Remote Viewing program at Stanford Research Institute
(SRI) less than four months after her lithe and nimble fingers
typed the last period on Liddy's logs.

Why? Because as it turned out, these were no ordinary phone logs
that the accommodating Sally Harmony typed up for George Gordon
Battle Liddy. To hear Liddy tell it, he had been the mastermind
of a hyper-clandestine "first break-in" at the Watergate on 28
May 1972, with the purpose of having CIA's James McCord plant an
illegal electronic "bug" on the phone of Lawrence O'Brien,
chairman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

So, naturally, Liddy had his own secretary type up the phone logs
from this super-secret, illegal operation of his. Wouldn't you?

But Liddy went one better: he not only had Sally Harmony type
these allegedly illicit logs, he instructed her to type them on
special stationery Liddy also provided for the purpose,
stationery that had emblazoned across the top, in color, a
mysterious name he had dreamed up: GEMSTONE.

Of course the rational mind balks right there. Of course any
self-respecting editor of even the cheapest, cheesiest, trashiest
cloak-and-dagger fiction would laugh out loud at such a ludicrous
premise before wadding it up and throwing it at somebody.

But in 1973 whole committees of United States Senators sat with
furrowed brow for the cameras, listening to just such trumpery. ...

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Rest of article is here:

http://tinyurl.com/4h777

Citizen Plain

[Bozos for Bush]

59. Henry Kissinger - a master at playing both sides

Kissassinger was most concerned about his own legacy, and had every reason to hedge his bets.

BTW, I should know! (joke)

John Dean
Bozos for Bush

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

65. A literary device created by Woodward nt

[Citizen Plain]

66. A fiction created by DCI with Woodward as mouthpiece

See messages 52, 53, 55, 56, 57 and 58.

You know, of course, that Woodward served as a Naval Intelligence briefer.

Citizen Plain