Here is WHY the Bin Laden video is a fake É

[soundfury]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3966817.stm

{{ It never occurred to us that the supreme commander of the US armed forces would leave 50,000 of his citizens in the two towers to face those great horrors alone, at a time when they needed him badly.

This is because it seemed to him that being preoccupied with the little child's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than being preoccupied with the planes and their ramming into the skyscrapers. }}

This is a very American talking point.

Specifically, itÕs a talking point Democrats make all the time.

Expressing concern for the American well being is not exactly what I call a terrorist talking point.

What, now Bin Laden is criticizing HOW Bush responded on 911?

What side is this guy on?

Give me a FUCKING break, this video is such a scam, like all 911 was.

[pansypoo53219]

1. osama been forgotten

saw F9/11.

[soundfury]

2. Even if he did see it ...

His concern for our well being is out of character.

The whole point of 911 was to kill as many Americans in one place as possible.

[rockydem]

3. I find that strange too

He also referenced *'s Florida shenanigans in 2000 - now why the fuck would Osama even care about that? Since when did he care about democracy?

This tape is seriously whacked.

I guess OBL is just straight-up trying to help * get elected - and he's not being subtle about it at all.

[Alpharetta]

4. I agree. It seems like a setup.

I really am puzzled by it.

It makes no sense.

What's the optimal time for a "bin Laden Captured" headline?

I'd think it would be late Monday. Some video of him being escorted by U.S. military.

Provide the video on Monday without explanation of when or where or how it happened. Then claim Al Zarqawi is about to be captured too and Iraq is about to be peaceful.

If Osama was captured 5 months ago, there's plenty of time for us to "convince" Osama to make a tape like the one we saw yesterday. That's why I think yesterday's tape is merely a prelude to the next much bigger tape.

[CoffeeAnnan]

9. Just like Kissinger's peace is at hand.This is as fake as a three

dollar bill.

[splat]

5. He's seen fahrenheit 9/11 n/t

[Tsiyu]

8. That's the first thing i thought

when I heard he was discussing *'s actions immediately after the attacks.

[Love Bug]

6. That statement reminds me of the stuff Tokyo Rose would say

Tokyo Rose would say all kinds of things to try and demoralize the troops serving in the Pacific Theatre in WWII. Bin Laden is not expressing concern for us--he was being sarcastic and reminding us our leaders either don't care or are impotent to protect us. It's all about fear with him.

[SmokingJacket]

7. "OBL" has hijacked dem talking points...

I think you're right. This video is a scam. WHO benefits if OBL starts sounding like Michael Moore? *, that's who.

Now if a dem mentions the Pet Goat, they can say, woo-hoo, got your talking points from Osama, huh? This stupid video is an attempt to totally discredit criticism of * -- nothing more.

I don't know if it's a fake Osama, or a payrolled Osama, or even the real thing. But I'm uneasy that the tactic is so obviously Rovian: put the truth in the mouth of an unreliable messenger, and the truth loses credibility.

Plus just terrifies the crap out of everyone.

My 2 cents.

[soundfury]

10. No mention of US torture at Abu Ghraib yet he

mentions the 2000 election and the pet goat story, that doesnÕt sound like the priorities of
an Arab terrorist.

I think your spot on skryabushka with your analyses.

This has Pentagon propaganda all over it.

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"This stupid video is an attempt to totally discredit criticism of * -- nothing more."

Now if a dem mentions the Pet Goat, they can say, woo-hoo, got your talking points from Osama, huh?

Put the truth in the mouth of an unreliable messenger, and the truth loses credibility."

I think your spot on with this.

[Scotsman_Shrek]

12. True

I agree.
All bush thinks he needs, is for the threat message to be reinforced.
He thinks he's home and dry if people are voting in fear, so you may well have a point. It wouldn't be difficult to set up.
The question I was asking, is WHY NOW?

[soundfury]

13. Welcome to DU Scotsman_Shrek!!!

:hi:

[lostnfound]

20. Reading the transcript I realized the same thing yesterday

No way in h*** would an Arab terrahist pick those exact things & nothing else to talk about

[VOX]

26. Your 2 cents are very worthy, skryabushka -- agree 100% with you...

Thought for thought. The whole thing has Rove's fingerprints all over it.

A belated welcome to DU -- :toast:

[Swamp Rat]

11. He's been hanging out in Crawford or maybe Cheney's bunker...

[DiverDave]

14. Total rove.

KKKarl is slipping, this is a pathetic attempt.
KKKarl, your toast.

[soundfury]

15. Why hasnÕt the FULL transcript been released?

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301301.shtml

This link to the alleged "full" transcript does NOT include the Election rigging, goat story reference or his reasons as to why he did not strike Sweden.

Which is another taking point Democrats make to redneck Republicans.

This video is clearly made to make Democrats seem aligned with Bin Laden.

Talk about last minute dirty tricks.

[kayell]

16. So we got an entirely different version of the tape than the rest of the

world did? One specially doctored to copy dem talking points. Gosh, I wonder how that happened?

[bpilgrim]

21. agreed

it's the best way to netrualize moore and others arguments since kerry hasn't even raised these serious issues yet but rove knows they're certainly out there.

mosh through the swamp

peace

[DemBones DemBones]

17. Josh Marshall points out that this tape, like the audiotape

delivered after the bombing in Bali, was delivered to the Al Jazeera office in Islamabad, Pakistan.

Apparently, US intelligence agencies never thought of staking out the Al Jazeera office in Islamabad, Pakistan, even though the Pentagon has said it expected to hear from OBL before the election.

Somebody probably should have thought of that. . .


More of Josh's thoughts:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com

[soundfury]

18. thanks for the link DemBones NT

[oddtext]

19. He thanks God for *'s stupidity!

the media doesn't report it, and spins it to look like a Kerry talking point! OBL thanking God for dipshit, would truly be unhelpful to *, wouldn't it?

here:

"We had agreed with the chief amir Mohammed Atta that he should accomplish all the operations within 20 minutes before Bush and his administration could take notice.

"It never occurred to us that the supreme commander of the US armed forces would leave 50,000 of his citizens in the two towers to face those great horrors alone, at a time when they needed him badly.

"This is because it seemed to him that being preoccupied with the little child's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than being preoccupied with the planes and their ramming into the skyscrapers.

"This gave with three times the period required for carrying out the operations, praise be to God."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3966817.stm

[drunkdriver-in-chief]

22. So it sounds american

I'm sure the al quaeda read newspapers and websites and know what bush's critics in america are saying about him.

[Kazak]

23. The eyes aren't right.

Aside from that, if it's a fake, it's a damn good one.

[Rex]

24. Is OBL saying BUSH KNEW?

Yep, there were plenty of memos, warnings, PDBs...but NO, Dubya wouldn't even look at that stuff...he don't read the papers ya'know.

:eyes:

[Catherine Vincent]

25. Deep down I don't think this Bin Laden guy would make a comment

about * reading a book about a goat. The tape is a */Rove setup. Yes, it is a democratic talking point, which is why Rove put it in there to make us think it was the Dems fault that Bin Laden must have seen F9/11.

Even after Kerry wins the election, I will always believe the * people behind the scenes set this Bin Laden tape up.