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BUSHOUT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:55 AM
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What the F#CK is the "Wichita Eagle"?? Newly emerged rightwingrag..posing
as a legitimate news source??

It's got a URL of kansas.com

I'm noticing lot's of rabid anti-Kerry stuff from this paper in google news at the moment.

Grrr.

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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 03:03 AM
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1. No, it's an actual newspaper.
Founded 1872, circulation rank #124 out of US daily newspapers, currently owned by Knight-Ridder. Kansas tends to be pretty conservative, so the anti-Kerry bias doesn't come as much surprise. (I found all this out from a Google search after I saw your post. Google is your friend. Learn to use it.)
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 03:43 AM
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2. the eagle has been around forever...
a few of my colleagues and professors work(ed) there
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 03:51 AM
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3. Used to be the Wichita Eeagle-Beacon it's a real paper
and yes, kansas is wingnut central...No matter how many jobs it loses, no matter how many farmers go broke, no matter how many main streets are awash with dust bunnies and tumbleweeds, these people in the buckle of the bible belt, will insist that most democrats are ungodly wretches who want to take their guns, abort their wimmin-folk's babies, and turn them all into "homer-sexyuls"..

They loves their RushLimbaugh/SeanHannity/LauraIngraham/GordonLiddy/MichaelSavage and friends..

Every tractor has a radio, coffee shops blare FOXNEWS, what factories there are often let their workers wear headphones so they can infect their brains with the daily propaganda..

It's gonna take 30 years to turn the tide..That is if we had the Fairness Doctrine NOW..(which we don't)
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 05:54 AM
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5. I'm a Missourian, and Even I Don't Hate Kansas THAT Much!
Yes, Kansas DOES suck, yes it does and for many reasons. Bob "Prince of Darkness" and Liddy "SugarLips" Dole come to mind; Brownbeck comes to mind; Kansas City, Kansas comes to mind...

However, we've had plumbing, shoes, and pavement in the Midwest for a long time now, and much as it pains me, I'll remind y'all that Kansas is the Free State.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:10 AM
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6. I am a Kansan, by birth..
Went to University of kansas.. lived in Salina, and Olathe..

It's got some good points, but there are LOTS of wingnuts there.. I don;t hate Kansas..just telling it like it is :(
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:37 AM
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10. Rock, Chalk, Jayhawk!
Loved One is a KU alum, and my brother is, too (I went to UM). Must've been awhile back that you lived there, if they still had tractors and farm in Olathe - it's been office parkland for the last 20 years!

Oh, and I hate Kansas; but I lived in Westport, which is waaaaay too close to Wyandotte county {shudder}. There's lots to hate, but it's not quite as Grapes of Wrath-ish as it used to be.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:41 AM
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12. I left Kansas for good in 1979 (March)
Olathe was just starting to "suburbanize", but the area around Salina, is still very "farmish", and the little teensy communities around it have changed little in 40 years..

The people there are "land-poor".. on paper they have lots of assets, but they have no MONEY..:(
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:12 AM
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7. It was no mistake that Franks chose the title
What's the matter with Kansas, I guess.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:33 AM
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9. Kansas has been hit hard during the 70's,80's, and never recovered
Grain prices suck, and the farmers get suckered into more and more expensive equipment,The older farmers are dying off, and their college-educated kids don't know how, and don't want to farm..
wages are low, and most of the kids who do go to college, left/and still leave Kansas.

Summers are beastly hot and humid.. there is very little to do there..

I went back a few years ago for my Mother's funeral, and the town itself had changed little..except for all the empty businesses..
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:38 AM
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11. Kansas wasn't always wingnut central but thanks to the pug
culture wars and emphasis on god, guns and gays it is now that way.

Keep people pre-occupied with cultural issues while screwing them with pro big business legislation. This is what happens in the US when there is little discussion of class. Since people don't view themselves as belonging to a class and instead assume everyone is "middle class" the pugs can basically do whatever they want to working people.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:45 AM
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13. It was a pretty cool place to grow up.. 60's,
Back then everyone got along very well, and there was very little anger at each other.,. I grew up semi-poor (lower middle class), and as I recall, the "rich folks" were not all THAT rich, and the kids of those families were nice and we all hung out together..

No one cared what religion anyone was, or if they were even religious.
There was only one high school in the town, and we all rubbed shoulders..

It's very different now..:(
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coda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 05:06 AM
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4. I think KR deserves a closer look


They are Republican, but they aren't Sinclair. They've actually done some very good coverage and if you'll look at these stories and links, I don't think you could call them shills. JMO


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This is excellent BTW

Graphics: Iraq war expectations vs. reality

http://www.realcities.com/multimedia/nationalchannel/news/KRT_Packages/archive/101704_kr_iraq/graphics/index.htm



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Post-war planning non-existent

Posted on Sun, Oct. 17, 2004


By WARREN P. STROBEL and JOHN WALCOTT

Knight Ridder Newspapers


WASHINGTON - In March 2003, days before the start of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, American war planners and intelligence officials met at Shaw Air Force Base in South Carolina to review the Bush administration's plans to oust Saddam Hussein and implant democracy in Iraq.


Near the end of his presentation, an Army lieutenant colonel who was giving a briefing showed a slide describing the Pentagon's plans for rebuilding Iraq after the war, known in the planners' parlance as Phase 4-C. He was uncomfortable with his material - and for good reason.


The slide said: "To Be Provided."


A Knight Ridder review of the administration's Iraq policy and decisions has found that it invaded Iraq without a comprehensive plan in place to secure and rebuild the country. The administration also failed to provide some 100,000 additional U.S. troops that American military commanders originally wanted to help restore order and reconstruct a country shattered by war, a brutal dictatorship and economic sanctions.


In fact, some senior Pentagon officials had thought they could bring most American soldiers home from Iraq by September 2003. Instead, more than a year later, 138,000 U.S. troops are still fighting terrorists who slip easily across Iraq's long borders, diehards from the old regime and Iraqis angered by their country's widespread crime and unemployment and America's sometimes heavy boots.


"We didn't go in with a plan. We went in with a theory," said a veteran State Department officer who was directly involved in Iraq policy.



R E L A T E D L I N K S
• Part One | Planning for postwar Iraq non-existent
• Part Two | Ongoing violence overcomes reconstruction
• Part Three | Insurgency clouds Iraq's future path
• Graphics | Iraq war expectations vs. reality
• On the Web | 2003 War College report on Iraq (.pdf)
• On the Web | 2004 Brookings Institution report on Iraq (.pdf)


much more............

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9927782.htm


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Study: Wrong impressions helped support Iraq war


Posted on Thu, Oct. 02, 2003

Study: Wrong impressions helped support Iraq war

By FRANK DAVIES

Knight Ridder Newspapers


WASHINGTON - A majority of Americans have held at least one of three mistaken impressions about the U.S.-led war in Iraq, according to a new study released Thursday, and those misperceptions contributed to much of the popular support for the war.

The three common mistaken impressions are that:


U.S. forces found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.


There's clear evidence that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein worked closely with the Sept. 11 terrorists.


People in foreign countries generally either backed the U.S.-led war or were evenly split between supporting and opposing it.

Overall, 60 percent of Americans held at least one of those views in polls reported between January and September by the Program on International Policy Attitudes, based at the University of Maryland in College Park, and the polling firm, Knowledge Networks based in Menlo Park, Calif.

"While we cannot assert that these misperceptions created the support for going to war with Iraq, it does appear likely that support for the war would be substantially lower if fewer members of the public had these misperceptions," said Steven Kull, who directs Maryland's program.

more....

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/special_packages/iraq/6918170.htm



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Posted on Wed, Sep. 01, 2004

Young Republicans support Iraq war, but not all are willing to join the fight

By Adam Smeltz

Knight Ridder Newspapers


NEW YORK - Young Republicans gathered here for their party's national convention are united in applauding the war in Iraq, supporting the U.S. troops there and calling the U.S. mission a noble cause.


But there's no such unanimity when they're asked a more personal question: Would you be willing to put on the uniform and go to fight in Iraq?


In more than a dozen interviews, Republicans in their teens and 20s offered a range of answers. Some have friends in the military in Iraq and are considering enlisting; others said they can better support the war by working politically in the United States; and still others said they think the military doesn't need them because the U.S. presence in Iraq is sufficient.


"Frankly, I want to be a politician. I'd like to survive to see that," said Vivian Lee, 17, a war supporter visiting the convention from Los Angeles,


Lee said she supports the war but would volunteer only if the United States faced a dire troop shortage or "if there's another Sept. 11."


"As long as there's a steady stream of volunteers, I don't see why I necessarily should volunteer," said Lee, who has a cousin deployed in the Middle East.

more.....


http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9556221.htm



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MacDo Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:28 AM
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8. I'm in Kansas
and trust me, it's definitely Shrub country. I've had to replace my Kerry/Edwards sign five times already.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 08:40 AM
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14. Was deep in the heart of Wyandotte
Around 9th and Quindaro. Left there in '61. It was all it has been said here and worse. However, I did enjoy swimming in the Missouri, by the grain elevators in Fairfax. Nothing like skinny-dipping on a hot summer day in Kansas.

As for the rag, do the Kock boys own it?
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 07:05 PM
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19. No, but Koch & their slimy friends do own the legislature, Cato, AEI . . .
Kansas has some nice spots, but Wichita isn't one of them.

To begin with, it's flatter than a pancake, compared with the N & NW of the state or the Flint Hills, which in their stark way are quite beautiful. By the time it gets to Wichita, the Arkansas River has been reduced to a big concrete trough running through the center of the city. Every year there's a big "Riverfest" designed to "highlight" the river's place in Wichita's life, even though the fecal coliform count in the water has made it unsafe for swimming for years and years now.

Boeing Wichita, which is the single biggest employer, is now officially on the block, probably to some European aviation conglomerate or (possibly) Carlyle. An ESOP offer was promptly rejected by Boeing, thank you very much, and although hiring is slowly starting to recover from 9/11, they're still about 20,000 jobs short of where they were on 9/10.

Aside from aviation, there's farming, a little oil and gas and (of course) the Olde Weste tourism sector, though Dodge City's still a ways west from there. The New West is visible closer by in and around Hutchinson and Garden City, where migrant workers slaughter the cows and hogs arriving fresh from the feedlots which ring these towns. Oh, and of course there's also the thriving meth sector, and a fair number of biker bars and gangs providing their own entrepreneurial spirit, though the city fathers don't like to talk about that.

Aside from tractor pulls, Toby Keith and assorted "Christian Rock" festivals, Wichita does have a decent symphony orchestra and a pretty good art museum, but that's pretty much all there is. Of course, the downtown is decaying, but there's nothing wrong with it that a brand-new shiny stadium won't fix - or so the boosters would have you believe (not an affliction unique to Wichita, to be fair).

Beyond all of this, there are miles and miles and miles of suburban houses notable by their different shades of oatmeal, taupe and seafoam gray, each serviced by its own array of strip malls, parking lots, gas stations and McChurches, the more fundamentalist the better.

Wichita is a fucking pimple. I spent a year there one week.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 07:29 PM
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21. When I was a teen in Kansas, we would get dressed up nice and go to
Wichita to shop downtown. It was a highlight. Wichita was "the city", and Kansas City was Nirvana :)

I was amazed at how shopworn it looked when I flew into Wichita and spent a little time there a few years ago..

Kansas City had some spectacular department stores downtwon, and some really great restaurants..

Malls have pretty much killed them all off now.:(

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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:00 AM
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15. Doesn't surprise me. I live in Kansas, and grew up not far from Wichita..
and I'm alarmed at the hard right turn things have taken here. There seems to be a growing number of progressives in the northeast corner of the state, but it's still Bush Country. :eyes: I credit the religious right for much of this... they've taken people's anger and turned it against the very people that would help them. Now that the churches have gotten behind Bush, many people out here refuse to even think about the issues. Bush is "godly" no matter how badly he's screwing us all over. Sigh.
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:11 AM
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16. I also grew up in and around Wichita
Been gone for many years and can't find a lot to miss about it. But, I think, the fact it has a Republican River says it all.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 07:08 PM
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20. Fun fact on the real name of the Republican River
The original (i.e. Kiowa) name for the river was "Buffalo-Dung Water", which pretty much says it all. :evilgrin:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 04:48 PM
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17. it needs to be said that Lawrence is the state's
liberal oasis...one of the most liberal places i've lived in the U.S.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 05:47 PM
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18. College and University towns are usually like that
Every year, a new crop of underclassmen arrive from all over the place, adn taste freedom for the first time.. That experience breeds liberalism.:)

(some of the most "liberal" people I ever met were 18 yr olds out from under their parents' thumbs for the first time...the ones from super-religious familes were the biggest hell-raisers:)...)
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 10:41 PM
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22. ever seen this site
wwww.maggotpunks.com
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