Osama Bin Laden video is a fake.

[vinnievin777]

Absolutely a fake beard. I am certain this video is a fake.
So now the question is who provided this fake.

Vinnie Vin
http://www.vinnievin.com

[aquart]

1. Well, thank them for us. It's been great for Kerry.

Maybe you want to peddle this to the Republicans.

[Old and In the Way]

2. Nothing like hard evidence to support your proof, Vinnievin777.

Personally, I asumed OBL was dead in 2002, so this tape was quite a surprise. I'd like to know when the tape was made, though...I'm betting around 9/11/04. So, my question is, why is it showing up now?

[DuctapeFatwa]

4. What evidence do you have that the guy in the Mosh video is not

Justin Timberlake?

[Old and In the Way]

9. Who's Justin Timberlake?

Seriously.

[DuctapeFatwa]

10. He is a singer with pale skin and yellow hair

[Old and In the Way]

12. Does he have anything to dowith OBL?

Seriously.

[DuctapeFatwa]

13. Only in the context of t his conversation. It is likely that I could show

you, or if not you, some person or persons, a tape with a singer with pale skin and yellow hair, and tell you it is one person, when in fact, it is a different person.

That said, in the case of this tape, for the producers to use Osama bin Laden himself as the on-camera talent.

The tape has done what it was intended to do, as I just pointed out in another thread, the audience it was made for is not terribly exacting about such details.

[Old and In the Way]

14. But is not the burden of proof for someone claiming it is not OBL

to provide some evidence to support his contention? Or do we just act like our counterparts at FR and just accept uncorroborated statements as fact?

And I don't really think the Justin Timberlake example you refered to is a very rigorous proof.

[DuctapeFatwa]

16. If Justin's appearance were familiar to you, familiar enough

so that showing you a tape of someone else with a pale skin and yellow hair would not be successful in convincing you that the person in the tape was indeed Justin Timberlake, I am suggesting that you might suggest that the burden of proof would be on he who showed you a tape and said "This is Justin, right here."

[Old and In the Way]

17. But I don't care about Justin Timberlake.

I do care about Osama bin Laden. He looks like OBL to me and most people who have seen it. Since you and the original poster believe it's a fake, I think it is incumbant on you to explain why.

[DuctapeFatwa]

18. OK let's use John Kerry as an example, then. I show you a tape

of a tall man with pale skin, gray hair, a long face. I tell you it is John Kerry. The man speaks differently than Kerry, he uses different words, a different style, you wonder if Kerry would even agree to read such a script. I insist that it is Kerry.

To you, it is not Kerry. You know what he looks like and it is not him. I bring in some other people to tell you it is Kerry.

How shall you prove to them that it is not?

[Old and In the Way]

19. Or how about this.

I show you a tape of John Kerry and you tell me it's a fake. But you don't tell me why. I'd then ask you for evidence to support your conclusion.

I have an idea. Instead of using examples of other people, let's discuss the person of interest in this thread: OBL. Please explain to me why it is not OBL. You must have evidence that would support your argument, no?

[DuctapeFatwa]

20. LOL If I am showing the tape, telling you it is Kerry, what evidence do

you suggest that I show you to prove that it is?

I will speculate that you will tell me that you do not need to produce any evidence that it is not, that the tape itself, containing as it does, someone who is NOT John Kerry, is sufficient proof that I am attempting to deceive you.

But the real question is, if the tape has its desired effect, does it matter whether it is really Kerry or not?

[ROH]

21. Well, does truth matter?

[DuctapeFatwa]

26. Not in religion, and not in politics. see blog.

[Old and In the Way]

22. So, why do you think the tape of OBL is not OBL.

Can you answer the question or do you just want to play games with words?

[ROH]

23. Discussion points...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2558631&mesg_id=2558631

[Old and In the Way]

24. Thanks!

Hadn't seen that thread.

Looks like OBL to me....

[DuctapeFatwa]

25. It is not the actual person OBL but that should not take away

from whatever it is you perceive the tape to be about.

Since both you and the producers of the tape have quite wisely chosen not to attempt to press the point, and indeed, it is not necessary, since pretty much any tall guy with a long beard will be happily accepted as "Osama" to the audience the tapes are intended for, just enjoy it for what it means to you. Details like whether it was a particular person in the chair, or who wrote the words are not nearly as important as the total effect, and your faith. You can click the blog link and read the whole rant, save my fingers.

[ROH]

28. Osama is officially described as 6'4" to 6'6"...

and the tape shows a seated person, with no reliable way of assessing the height of the person, so maybe tallness was not a requirement for this particular tape?

[DuctapeFatwa]

30. Good point. I was basing my assessment on the guy's hands

Large hands, long fingers you wouldn't expect to see on a short man, but not the same hands sported by Osama in, for example, his son's wedding video. ;)

[TwilightZone]

3. Wow, that's terribly convincing.

n/t

[SeveneightyWhoa]

7. I agree.

Thanks for providing evidence along with your outrageous conspiracy claims.

[The_Casual_Observer]

5. They created him with Microsoft Word & Paint

They didn't have those in caves.

[WoodrowFan]

6. actually EVERYTHING is a fake

nothing exists, we're all in your head.

[RC]

8. And if it is in your head

and not mine, then that is obviously a fake also.

[splat]

11. deleted - wrong place

[mikedemocrat]

15. Just more evidence that bush is a failure

Timing of it is fine by me. Reminds everyone that bush failed to get bin laden close enough to the election that people shouldn't forget about it

[Cleita]

27. I came to this party late.

So, just some questions:

Exactly which candidate does the so seemingly phony Osama tape help?

If it's not to affect our election, what is it's purpose?

Inquiring minds need to know?

[HEyHEY]

29. double your meds