How will a Bush loss affect "Christian" faith?

[smirkymonkey]

NOTE: I do not mean all Christians, but the hardcore, right-wing, fundamentalists who claim to be "Christians" but are really just using Jesus and Christianity as a front for their hatred and extreme political agenda.

I have nothing but respect for true Christians who walk their talk and adhere to the real teachings of Jesus and his message of tolerance, love and service.

Back to the Bush supporting fundamentalists, will they feel their "God" has failed them? Will they question their "faith?" or will they regroup and come back even more fiercely committed to ridding this country of Democrats, Liberals, Athiests, Homesexuals et al.?

[StupidFOX]

1. It'll bring more people to it

When it moves a bit to the left, in response to the turning tide of the nation, the young will be less likely to reject it, thus becoming a larger and more permanent part of it.

Speaking as a defected Catholic, I think I know what I'm talking about.

[PDittie]

2. Wailing and gnashing of teeth eom

[Eye and Monkey]

36. rending of clothing, sack-cloth, ashes, self-flagellation

NOT the O'Reilly-kind-of-self-flagellation, though. Well, yeah, on second thought, yeah, the O'Reilly kind, too.

[Swamp Rat]

41. Ray: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor...

... real Wrath-of-God-type stuff. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies.

Venkman: Rivers and seas boiling!

Egon: 40 years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanos.

Winston: The dead rising from the grave!

Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats, living together... mass hysteria!

[Eye and Monkey]

45. or, at minimum, the fundies who drag crosses around the Quarter

lotsa them folks

[Swamp Rat]

46. Did you know that...

one of 'em is mopaul's brother (who often carries the cross)? I've had it out with those folks before, mostly for kicks. Here's a pic from Mardi Gras 2003:

[Eye and Monkey]

47. seems like I read that here on DU -

maybe a post by mopaul? I'm sure they were out in force tonite. I wonder how they feel when they cross paths (pun noted) - I mean, I wonder if they get all tense and start thinking "he's stealing my gig!"

[Swamp Rat]

49. I was in the Quarter/Marigny a few hours ago to do some filming but

I didn't notice any wacko fundies, though, I wasn't hanging out in front of the cathedral. Instead I was jamming with the street musicians on Royal St. by the A&P, and on over by the Joan D'Arc statue. The big party is going on right now on Frenchmen St. but I'm too tired and have school work to do... and AP photos to vandalize. :D

[Eye and Monkey]

51. "Berled"...LOL. Cafe Brasil? Thought about going -

- but I've grown contentedly reclusive out in the swamp. I was on Frenchman Friday, dropping off a washtub of fresh-from-my-garden basil. I've got more than I know what to do with - you want some?

You got some new p'taytahs t'go wit dat crawbaby?

[Swamp Rat]

53. Mmm... basil!

I'd love some, but after the election... Thanks!

[AlamoDemoc]

3. They will properly blame it on Christ

[teach1st]

4. Find new guys...

(01-02-04) 11:12 PST NORFOLK, Va. (AP) -- Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson said Friday he believes God has told him President Bush will be re-elected in a "blowout" in November.

"I think George Bush is going to win in a walk," Robertson said on his "700 Club" program on the Virginia Beach-based Christian Broadcasting Network, which he founded. "I really believe I'm hearing from the Lord it's going to be like a blowout election in 2004. It's shaping up that way."

Robertson told viewers he spent several days in prayer at the end of 2003.

"The Lord has just blessed him," Robertson said of Bush. "I mean, he could make terrible mistakes and comes out of it. It doesn't make any difference what he does, good or bad, God picks him up because he's a man of prayer and God's blessing him."

[American Tragedy]

44. I remind everybody that this is the mentality that we are dealing with

"It doesn't make any difference what he does, good or bad, God picks him up because he's a man of prayer and God's blessing him."

[ilovenicepeople]

50. What in the Diebold does Pat know about the election?

My gut tells me the same thing,REALITY:Kerry in a landslide=bUSH in a landslide+no paper trail. :scared:

[tsuki]

57. This sends me over the edge.

It is not enough now that he has constructed a God so narrow and bigoted, he must now proclaim that he speaks for Him.

[DemBones DemBones]

5. They'll blame themselves for not praying hard enough. nt

[marew]

6. "Real Christians"

Real Christians only start a war as a last resort. Real Christians don't sacrifice young people's lives for oil. Real Christians look out for the most needy in our society. Real Christians don't see greed as a virtue. Real Christians don't don't lie and allow torture. Real Christians do the exact opposite of everything Bush has done!

[smirkymonkey]

14. Exactly, that's why I put "Christians" in quotations.

I don't believe these Bush "Christians" are REAL Christians.

[GreenPartyVoter]

7. They will declare that they are being persecuted, and say that

the evil one is working hard against righteous people.

[Eye and Monkey]

35. "the evil one is working hard" - it's HARD work, so HARD

why does that sound familiar to me?

[GreenPartyVoter]

60. *lol*

[FizzFuzz]

8. not sure, but whatever they do, it won't involve self reflection.

Don't hold your breath waiting for contrition or amends either.

[greyfox]

9. As a NON-supporting Bush Christian

I hope and pray that Bush loses or he is one of the worst examples of Christianity I have ever seen in may six decades of life.
I cannot speak for all of us "fundies" of course LOL, but I feel he has done more to hurt the cause of Christ in this world than satan himself almost!
For me personally, a loss by Bush will show that God is moving us back to a loving, caring, peaceful abiding America. A win would mean that the prince of this world (satan) still has strong control.
We will soon see, but no, I do not think either will affect the faith of the true Christian -- and I do not know any of the other kind.

[marew]

10. Couldn't have said it better!

[greyfox]

16. Might as well

be totally honest. We are down to the wire and MANY church folks have NO other reason to votew for the BOOB than he CLAIMS to be a fine, upstanding Christian... while lying, cheating, drinking, attacking small countries that have not attacked us (cowardice)...well... beats me how blind church people can be when they want to be... and I AM a church people! LOL

[FizzFuzz]

38. I believe, as a Buddhist, that a loss by Bush would show that PEOPLE

are moving people back to a loving caring peaceful America.

Its not God who does it for us, its not Satan who does it to us.

WE do it. WE are totally responsible for what WE create. Our prayers prime the pump so to speak, but it is our actions that create the effect.

We choose to go with our Godly inspirations, or Divine, Or Buddha nature....or we choose to go with our baser instincts, dark side. Each moment is a choice, and a myriad of possibilities and choices exist in each moment. Each one leading to some kind of consequence. With wisdom we can think about what kinds of consequences we want to achieve.

We determine what we do as individuals, and that ripples and reflects out to influence society. The more individuals who walk the talk, as you seem to be doing, the more we create society.

[greyfox]

56. And all together...

people of faith everywhere said

AMEN!!!!

[camero]

11. They'll go more nuts than they already are

There will probably be more bombings of Planned Parenthood clinics and they'll think that Kerry is the anti-christ. I doubt they'll question their "faith". Even though Christ preached that we should have doubt about our actions, it isn't in their vocabulary.

[Philostopher]

19. Like this target audience in the original post will ...

pull its collective head out of its collective ass for any longer than the thirty seconds it takes to use whatever voting equipment is offered to it on Tuesday, ram its head right back up its ass and go on with its collective, hive-mind life? Sha.

[smirkymonkey]

28. That's what worries me. Their faith will be so challenged as

to create intolerable cognitive dissonance. They won't be able to square what is really happening with their firmly held belief that W is the "messiah" or whatever he is to them.

I can't see them shrugging it off and going away quietly.

[FizzFuzz]

39. no, me either. They will react.

We will realllllly have to push and encourage each other to hunker down and stick to whats right and be brave...and vent here and get up again....until the cycle comes around and the backlash runs out of gas. Going berserk takes alot of energy; I don't think they could keep it up forever.

[camero]

42. All cults eventually destroy themselves

It's not gonna be pretty to watch. The preachers that preach this crap should have their tax exempt status looked at and taken away.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

12. hey they have no choice except to believe "it is God's will"

[tedoll78]

13. They will say it's God's test.

Or some such B.S.

Meanwhile, tommy plans on proclaiming at Thanksgiving, "Jawwn Kerr-ah.. was chosen.. BY GAWWD!"

I'm sure my fundie relatives will appreciate it. :P

[kayell]

15. They will believe that Gawd is testing their faith, and that the only way

to redeem themselves in his eyes is overthrow the vile heretics that have stolen his annointed saviors home.

What, you thought they might wake up and smell the coffee? No way. That truth brew would give them the worst cognitive dissonance hangover of all time.

These people fully believe that Gawd determines everything. Since they can't believe that their Gawd might prefer Kerry, it must be a test of faith, just like those trick fossils in the Grand Canyon.

[mongo]

17. They will come after me

They are all fired up and will need to vent their rage when Kerry wins.

They will just regroup and go after "indecency" and pornography in our society.

Phil Burress, who is the person responsible for the anit-gay marriage ammendment in Ohio, is a long time porn fighter. He and his "citizens for community values", will just refocus back on adult stores and hotels with pay-per-view porn, once this crappy, hatefull ammendment passes.

[banana republican]

18. YES There is a GOD !!!!!! n/t

[Justpat]

20. They will feel persecuted.

They will spend the next four years wondering how the unsaved
liberals were capable of creating the loving and just society
that they cannot accept.

They will wonder how the Almighty could show shower his love and
grace on all those who undertake to end a senseless war and work
for a just peace.

They will pray their hearts out to the rigid, angry god of their
belief and get only rigid, angry replies in response.

[giant_robot]

21. You can't reason with people

who ignore the monumental amount of evidence supporting evolution and believe in creationism. These are the same people who think the damn grand canyon was formed by Noah's great flood.

They'll just continue to be nuts. They'll call it a test of faith, or some such bullshit. One thing is for sure: they won't let facts cloud their judgement.

[Bluebear]

22. They'll rant and rave that Satan was at work blah blah blah

[idiosyncratic]

23. It won't

those hard-core, single-issue "Christians" will dig in and do everything they can to undermine President Kerry's administration.

I predict it is going to be ugly . . . :cry:

[GreenArrow]

24. they'll blame it on the "Devil"

same as usual.

[Seabiscuit]

31. Or on Clinton, as usual... to them, what's the difference?

As if they had one whole brain out of how many tens of millions of village idiots?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

25. The fundies will adopt one of two views:

1. "Christians" didn't work hard enough, so God has punished them by allowing a Democrat to be elected.

2. The "forces of evil" have triumphed, and it is up to every "Christian" to resist.

This is just the guess of one liberal Christian who has had some contact with fundamentalists.

[jhain]

26. all go into hiding

and finally be able to use up the toilet paper from their Y2K stash

[Hello_Kitty]

27. "The Demon-crats have interrupted our Armageddon schedule!"

[smirkymonkey]

29. Hmmm.... I suppose there is no chance of an early Rapture?

damn. :evilgrin:

[Seabiscuit]

30. Maybe they'll think they've sinned grievously and become penitent

instead of arrogant and obnoxious for a change!

[tsuki]

58. Not a chance.

[Dob Bole]

32. I'm hoping that they will lose faith in the RNC and join us...

but what do I know. I'm a tad optimistic.

[Bo]

33. they will be all hell bound thank you

you cannot be a xtian and be pro death penalty not POSSIBLE

[camero]

43. Or be Christian and pro-wealth

Christ talked more about social justice than he did about heaven and hell.

[Spider Jerusalem]

34. Who cares? They can go fuck themselves.

With spiked dildos.

[alcuno]

37. I heard a fundie on Larry King say that leaders are ordained by God.

So I'm assuming that a Kerry win will mean to them that he was chosen by God. We'll see.

[FizzFuzz]

40. the fundy neglected to mention

"chosen by god, but only if approved by us (fundies)"

[qs04]

59. Use it against them.

The bible does actually say that, but these sorts of people always conveniently forget it when faced with a leader they don't like. So remind them of Romans 13:1-7, Hebrews 13:17, and 1 Peter 2:13, 14, 17. ;)
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[UdoKier]

48. Christians will be relieved that decency will be restored to the WH.

Fundyt psychopaths will go off the deep end and attack Kerry non-stop for 8 years. So what else is new?

[carpetbagger]

52. Their leaders will begin to eat each other.

Bush has been the fundamentalist pope for the last few years, as the televangelists, Graham and son, the AFA, and the SBC leadership have all annointed him the messiah and receeded into the woodwork.

So they will all jockey for position. It'll be fun.

As to the rank and file, for a bunch of them, it will be a severe test of their faith. It will be really interesting to watch what happens to the more political congregations, but even more interesting to watch who evangelicals turn to in hope of regaining that magic throw-another-New-Yorker-on-the-barbeque feeling.

[Jose Diablo]

54. I am reminded of a scene in a movie

Charlie Sheene in the movie Apocalypse Now; he has just assasinated 'Kurtz' and is walking back, through the crowd, and he spots the rocker from California, he then leads the LSD dazed rocker, by the hand, back to the boat and calls in the airstrike to completely obliterate all memories of that camp.

I think of the hardcore, right-wing, fundamentalists as being that rocker. But instead of being dazed by LSD, they are dazed from the hate and fear spoon fed to them by the wacko's and power crazed leaders currently in power. Hate and fear are very powerful, and can change people.

I think they will return to sanity as soon as the hate and fear are removed.

The nightmare will then be over.

[quaker bill]

55. It will only prove that the rest of us are possessed by Evil

They will redouble their efforts.

I have already heard the line.

"God called GW to be there for us on 9/11. He was such a prinicpled and faithful man that he sacrificed himself politically to "keep us safe".

They will simply make a christian martyr of the man and then hold us responsible for the execution.

I have already heard this from fundies on the tube. It is the classic pattern. "Blessed are those who suffer for richeousness sake." They will make a saint of the guy.

[Selwynn]

61. It will affect my faith just fine! :)

[amazona]

62. fanatics don't question by definition

If things don't go their way, God is testing them. If things do go their way, it's because they are the Chosen.

People who hate in the cloak of religion will continue to hate and even feel more justified in their hate because they will claim to be persecuted.