CBS News: "Marines to warn Fallujah civilians to get outta town"

[karlrschneider]

ostensibly so they won't get atomized when they destroy the city (in order to save it, of course)...well, I can't help but wonder why the "thousands of 'insurgents'" wouldn't walk out with the rest of the people. Do they all wear T-shirts with "TERIST" stenciled front & back?
:eyes:

[aquart]

1. Army, sweeties, they're ALL civilians.

You aren't fighting an army. YOU are the invading army fighting an indigent population.

[karlrschneider]

16. -smile- (though I shouldn't) they really are indigent, and indigenous too.

:D

[aquart]

21. Oh, lord, did I do that?

I'm gonna put it off on the not sleeping which I expect to do none of for at least another day. Thanks for catching it.

Sleep is nice. I remember sleep. Just the teensiest bit too tense.

[karlrschneider]

24. LOL...I should have PM'd you on that, but I'm just anal about stuff like

that. :D No harm, no foul.
:toast:

[aquart]

36. So am I. I did it. You caught it. Glad you did.

I believe in standards, dammit!

[K-W]

2. So we are encouraging them to become refugees...

Im sure they have lots of hope of us taking care of them after they leave thier homes.

[manic expression]

3. That's just

our great, brave and honorable military at its best!

[KlatooBNikto]

4. As W approaches his day of reckoning at home he is going

to take revenge on the innocent people of Iraq .He will institute a
scorched earth policy in that country before he leaves office.His minions will come up with an Orwellian phrase to describe this operation.

[leftchick]

5. Marine: "Get out or we'll kill you"....

isn't that special? :(

[kokomo]

8. That's what Santa Anna told the Texians at the Alamo!

It only pissed off Texians more, to carry on the battle.

Bush should study the history of his adopted state.

[kokomo]

9. That's what Santa Ana told the Texians at the Alamo!

It only pissed off Texians more, to carry on with the battle.

Bush should study the history of his adopted state.

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. Perhaps they can call a halt to this madness after tomorrow.

The congress should halt funding for this genocide in Falujah.

[gratuitous]

7. Well, we always know which ones are terrorists, apparently

Every one of the civilian-looking folks killed with the bombs and bullets we've paid for is obviously a terrorist, even (and maybe especially) the kids and infants. See, they have terrorist ID cards, which we always find on the bodies, so we know we killed no one but those doggone terrorists!

I am so ashamed of our nation right now. George W. Bush and his corrupt administration have poisoned our reputation all over the globe.

[karlrschneider]

10. Of course...how silly of me. If we kill them, they HAD to be terrorists.

I'm kinda low on the memo distribution list.
:grr:

[gratuitous]

12. If they run when our boys shoot at them, they're terrorists

If they don't run, they're disciplined terrorists.

This logic doesn't work so good in reality, but it's a great comfort in Republican fantasyland.

[PsN2Wind]

18. Viet Nam redux

"if they're dead, they're V.C."

[Media_Lies_Daily]

11. I'm curious...they've been bombing Fallujah for several days now....

...was this just an afterthought in case Geneva convenes their war crimes tribunal shortly after Kerry takes the oath in January?

[sangh0]

13. Do they all wear T-shirts with "TERIST" stenciled front & back?

No, they just arrest any and every male between the ages of 15 to 45.

[karlrschneider]

14. "Snag 'em, bag 'em & tag 'em"...I guess. How big is Abu Ghraib anyway?

:eyes:

[DELUSIONAL]

31. Yep that's what I was thinking

The excuse for bombing a wedding party -- young males of fighting age among the guests.

This is so Vietnam.

[AlCzervik]

15. on the front page of my local this morning the headline read

and i kid you not

"TROOPS ITCHING FOR A BATTLE"

Nice huh?

[karlrschneider]

19. Jeezus...maybe they should wash their underwear...

:eyes:

[lostnfound]

17. It's very cruel. Women & kids under 14 can go, but moms must choose

whether to stay with their 13, 14, 15 year old boys or whether to leave them & their husbands behind and flee, fearing never to be able to see them again. At least that's what happened during the last assault on Fallujah.

I believe that the Lancet report said death rate in Fallujah was one in FOUR since the invasion.

[Sara Beverley]

20. Killing people for political reasons. Bush wants to announce a major

attack on election day. How sick can you get?

[Disturbed]

22. Slaughter!

Most of the residents of Fallouja that could afford to do so have left and that includes so-called "Insurgents". The US Puppet Govt. has scant support among most Iraqis. If al Sadr ran against interim PM Allawi, al Sadr would win by a wide majority. The Iraqi elections will be a grand farce. The colonization of Iraq is a lost cause. The U.S Govt. should proceed with evacuation plans post haste.

[karlrschneider]

28. Do you think there will even BE an "election"? I really wonder...how the

hell do you conduct an election when half the country is in armed combat? I can't even imagine how it could be pulled off. Even the widely-"acclaimed" vote in Afghanistan was a complete farce (not that we'd know from the corporate media)...and that country is -relatively- "peaceful."

FUBAR. That's all, it really is just FUBAR.

[leftchick]

23. Fullujah is Waiting for them with "Multi-National Forces!

Interesting article by Knight-Ridder from inside Fallujah.


http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/10072027.htm

<Suhail al Abdali, a Fallujah fighter in his 30s who wouldn't identify the group he'd joined, said there "absolutely" were foreign Islamic extremists joining the fight. However, he emphasized, most Fallujah militants are Iraqis who are wary of the foreign extremist elements but bound by custom to accept offers of battlefield help from men they consider brothers in Islam.


"Didn't the Americans bring with them the British and the Italians? Well, we have multinational forces, too," al Abdali said with a laugh. "The Americans themselves resisted the British when they tried to control them, so how dare anyone ask us why we fight? Resistance is legal." >

[karlrschneider]

26. Well, that certainly bodes well for "freedom on the march"...

:eyes:

I have no idea how anybody, even President Kerry, will be able to undo this FUBAR situation. :grr:

[Nexus7]

25. I've a feeling there'll be a "glorious" US victory in Fallujah

These terrorists/guerillas/insurgents/evil ones/bad guys/resistance are not idiots, in general. I've a feeling there'll be only token resistance in Fallujah. Maybe they'll get the cleric, although they'll not dare kill him. Mostly the resistance will melt away like they did in the first phase of the war, leading to an apparent victory (just like "Mission Accomplished"). I don't think they're really interested in engaging in hand-to-hand combat or street fighting with the greatly recduced odds of success against bullets that'll go through cars, and bombs that'll suck the air out for hundreds of yards. I dunno, call me prescient, but I don't think the Battle of Fallujah will be much to remember, or good for many Purple Hearts.

I mean people, who are these piss-and-vinegar types kiddin'? Guerilla warfare is fought very differently, and victory should not be measured in terms of territory gained or enemy killed. Especially when the enemy is a many-headed regerating hydra with access to an unlimited supply of HMX and RDX. After more than a year, you'd think the press would be ever so slightly skeptical of the 'rah 'rahs coming out of the Pentagon and the general or campaign spokesperson du jour. I do admire the media machine of the insurgents though, how they "negotiate," how they make it appear they're going to engage in conventional warfare.

Just color me cynical.

(Edited for typos.)

[karlrschneider]

27. Well, even after all the years in Viet Nam, we still apparently don't know

how to fight the sort of war they both are turning out to be. The environment and logistics are different, but the basic principle is the same. Our military hasn't been trained for this sort of conflict, and is there actually any meaningful way TO train for it?...it's like a college fraternity from Kansas State (or maybe M.I.T. in the case of activated reservists) going into Watts and trying to subdue the Bloods and the Crips...both at the same time; it's a windmill-tilting exercise in futility.

It may well be like trisecting an angle, there may actually not BE a solution short of leaving it to the Iraqis to sort it out by whatever means they might manufacture. But whatever the upshot is, I'm certain history won't look kindly (in spite of what Snarl Cheney said the other day) on the Chimp's so-called administration.


edit: typo

[Cat Atomic]

29. Let me get this straight.

They're basically saying, "Ok, insurgents line up over there, non-insurgents line up over there".

I smell Rumsfeld. Only he could devise a plan so brilliantly stupid.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. Raus!! Raus!! Schnell! Perhaps they prefer the original German.

The Nazis were fond of forcing people out of their homes, too. Are they going to issue the marines the traditional whips and dogs to help "liberate" the Iraqis.

When force fails, resort to brute force.

[Bluebear]

32. LoB!!! Aber zufort!

[Catfight]

33. God forgive us, we know not what we do. n/t

[Disturbed]

34. The US Facists know what they are doing.

Goddam them for it!!!

[Catfight]

35. But the people who back this American genocide do not know what

they are supporting, they are blind to humanity, only hatred drives their minds and hearts. It breaks my heart to think that people hate people who had nothing to do with the lives that were lost on 9/11/2001. Especially in the same week that the bastard Osma shows his wicked face on TV we're getting ready to kill thousands of innocent Iraqi's for nothing but GWB ego trip! He has so much blood on his hands. He is corrupt and insane.