OK Who is going to attack America so us Black Folk can be FREE!!!

[xultar]

If the reasons the Neo-Cons gave for going to war in Iraq hold then someone needs to lobby the UN or NATO or someone to Attack the US to free us.

Black folks in the US can barely vote, there are people out there who are trying to take my civil rights and the civil rights of all African Americans and throw them away. There is PLANNED INTIMIDATION of African Americans. There are PLANNED VOTER MISINFORMATION CAMPAIGNS directed at African Americans.

There are NeoCons out there that are so happy that our Soldiers are dying because we liberated Iraq and gave them the right to vote. Whooptie Fuckin Doodle-ie-dee.

RACISM is my TERRORISM. The RACISM that the REPUBLICANS are using to challenge my vote is TERRORISM to me. I'm FUCKIN PISSED because I feel threatened by the Administration and their political policies of hatred toward me and my kind.

WELL WHO THE FUCK IS GONNA LIBERATE MY ASS!!!!

WHO THE FUCK IS GONNA SEND SOME TROOPS HERE TO FIGHT FOR MY RIGHT TO VOTE!!!!!!!

[umtalal]

1. I hear you. I do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Political_Junkie]

2. Xultar, we're fighting for your right to vote.

All of us, right here.

[xultar]

9. I appreciate it, but this appears to be beyond us, the Racism is

a part of the fabric. They are recruiting people from regular walks of life to challenge my vote,it isn't just the party insiders.

The media is ignoring the terrorism I see and I feel.

[jrthin]

14. You've got that right. They're

also trying to tell us that we're too sensitive or the issues we're facing don't exist. Something as obvious as attempting to block our votes is blatantly denied. Yeah, we need an invasion.

[Spiffarino]

42. We need to BE the invasion n/t

[knowbody0]

3. vision a clenched fist held high in the air

that is me
i been in the revolution since 1969
truthout

[xultar]

6. I'm so PISSED. I could lite up a nuke with my stare.

:nuke:

[knowbody0]

12. i can see you

my tears are bloody

[KingChicken]

4. Were with ya, just bust your way into the polls

Raise hell if you are knocked down. Be loud, be vigilant, and be confident.

[m berst]

35. riiiiiiiiiight

"We" are right with you, so YOU go risk your life. See the problem there at all?

[Beam Me Up]

5. Yes sir! Right wing, corporate run terrorism, right here in the USA.

The one thing they fear most is that working class white and people of collor could become united against THEM. Oh, yeah. That terrorizes them, you know. But, hey, they don't worry. They just cook up more and more shit to keep us AFRAID of one another. I know you know what I'm saying.

[Catt03]

7. With the way things have gone with the Bush Administration

WHO IN THE HELL IS GOING TO LIBERATE WOMEN!

[FizzFuzz]

54. I'm with you there!

Bush policies don't just disenfranchise women, they kill us. Its already happening globally.

I don't mean to take away from xultar's outcry. Many people of many colors are doing their best to be there at the polls to try to prevent disenfranchisement.

Not too many people are doing anything to stop the global gag rule which has already killed millions of women in poverty who depend on US funds to health clinics.

[dave502d]

8. xultar

You have help this time,you have all the right in the world to be
mad,were in this shit to and believe me i'm on your side this time.

[Ima]

18. WT please a little clarification

Exactly what happens to challenge your vote? Are you standing in line and somebody points a finger and say "he should not be able to vote"?

I regret if this is a stupid post but I don't understand.

[xultar]

21. I'm pissed about what I hear about the challenges to our votes in

other states. OH, MI, FL, PA

THe challenges to OH & FL voters in primarily black neighborhoods

Calls to African Americans in OH & PA about changes in polling places

People callng African AMericans in OH telling them they can vote by phone.

That is why I'm pissed. YES I DO HAVE A RIGHT TO BE PISSED CUZ I AM!

[Ladyhawk]

60. You bet you have a right to be pissed.

This is just another form of disenfranchisement, brought to you by the same folks who wrote up the Jim Crow laws. It's more "subtle," but that makes it even worse in many ways.

[SoCalDem]

44. A "challenger" can approach ANYONE and demand to see PROOF

that they are registered, and eligible to vote..If you cannot prove it, you will have to use used toilet paper a provisional ballot, which may or may not be counted or deemed legitimate..

If there are 500 provisional ballots and the margin of victory is 10K, there si no reason to even look at them...but if the margin of victory is 50, then every one will be opened and gone over with a fine toothed comb..

[Ima]

52. Thank you ,it is clearer

Ok so I'm challenged...I show them a photo ID, maybe a card or two and I have my current phone bill in envelope on me. Would they then leave me alone?

To be able to single anyone in line for 'special attention' sounds so Gestapo like to me. So they don't like my looks and I'm harassed?

I would be absolutely crushed, if I was denied the opportunity to vote.

[SoCalDem]

55. If you do not look like a "citizen" they could demand proof

I doubt that they will go that far...but.. with this gang, it's hard to tell..

[crickets]

70. I would suggest a utility bill

That's what my state recommends. Georgia state law also says that I have a right to vote a REGULAR BALLOT even if I do not have ID, as long as I sign a sworn statement as to my identity.

Here's a link to states' voting rights. Unfortunately, not all states are listed:

http://www.electionprotectionvolunteer.org/electionprotection/index.cfm?itemid=17949

To be able to single anyone in line for 'special attention' sounds so Gestapo like to me.

Me too, and there's no need to put up with it. Here's a toll free phone number for people being harassed or 'discouraged' at the polls:

1 866 OUR VOTE

"The Election Protection HOTLINE serves as an immediate legal resource for voters who are having problems casting their ballots. Lawyers, law students, and other trained volunteers will staff the hotline in Washington, D.C. Each volunteer is trained in identification of common problems experienced by voters, the election law of our targeted communities and the resources available to attorneys on Election Day."

http://www.lawyerscomm.org/ep04/epintro.html
http://www.electionprotection2004.org/

I'm damned mad with you. And as a woman who is sick of the BS bullies trying to suppress the rights of others, I stand with you as well. Information is power. Please pass this information on.

:hug:

[crickets]

72. Oops

Part of that reply was for xultar as well. Sorry to muddle the two.

:dunce:

[July]

89. In some states they must have "personal knowledge"

that you may not be a legit voter. Rely on the pollworkers, don't even talk to the challengers.

[July]

88. I think they can challenge anyone, but only to pollworkers.

I don't think we have to show ID to challengers, but if a challenger tells a pollworker they're challenging us, the pollworker can decide to ask for ID. I'm not showing anything to anyone who can't prove they work for the county board of elections (and I expect challengers to wave around some kind of "official" document from the R party).

[xultar]

19. I appreciate it, but I'm so ANGRY and HURT and PISSED I can barely see

straight. How can people not be embarassed to be associated with the Republicans.

Every reason we went to Iraq except for oil is in place here.

Tyrant...check
Nuclear weapons...check
Warmonger...check
Religious fanatic...check
in just justice system...check
crappy economy...check
inequality voting...check
police state...check
terrorism...check

Sound like Iraq?

[bpilgrim]

10. armies of lawyers, poll-watchers, volunteers and folks with cameras are

showing up, especially in florida.

fortunately it looks like we wont need to be bombed to be freed.

peace

[A Simple Game]

58. The best way to stop this the next time,

is to make sure some people do some serious time for disenfranchising voters. Put the fear in their hearts. They have gotten away with it so long they are fearless to the point of being blatant about it.

It is too late this time, but lets hope for the future.

[MGKrebs]

11. I shudder to envision what will happen if

this is not a reasonably clean election.

[xultar]

31. I swear to GOD I will tear this muther apart if this election isn't clean.

:nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:

[MagicBoy]

102. Which Muther do you refer to?

n/t

[Kanary]

13. As pissed as you are about racism, is as pissed as I am about

the hatred and lack of concern for poor folk.

And you are exactly right....... it is TERRORISM!

Plain and simple.

This country sucks.

:nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr:

Kanary, who is right now watching "Counting ON Democracy", and getting pissed all over again!

[sangh0]

17. If you are so concerned about the poor

why do you ignore the posts with all the info on Section 8?

[m berst]

20. huh?

How do you place yourself in a position to judge and qualify someone else's level of concern?

[Kanary]

22. Yeah, I have someone following me around, from thread to thread,

telling all and sundry just how awful I am.

Wonder what that makes the poster? ~~guffaw~~

Geee, and it's such a shame I can't see the posts. ~~cackle~~

If it's a personal attack, I'd appreciate it if you'd alert......

Thanks, m!! I can't tell you how much it means to know there are still a few in this ugly world who are able to give a damn. :hi:

Kanary
edited to say, it's probably the one who proudly told me s/he was alerting on me because I'm a "freeper".
Get the humor? :)

[m berst]

25. How's our Kanary in the coal mine tonight?

Keep singing that same song. Don't ever stop.

[Kanary]

28. Thanks, m. It's been a very rough two days.

But, walking down to the library a while ago, during rush hour, there was a group of college kids on the street, waving signs and cheering for Kerry.

I walked up to them, and said to one, please do me a favor. He said, "Sure, what is it?", and I asked him to please remember after the election and to remind everyone he knows, that thousands of people are going to be homeless because of cuts to Section 8, and to please do what they can in calling and writing to get that overturned. He said they certainly would, thanked me for sharing my concerns with them, and they all crowded around.

THEN... I found out ...... they have traveled all the way here (CO) from Utah and Texas!! Oh, my tears flowed.

One gave me his email addy, and I will keep in touch with this wonderful group of kids.

No matter what happens tomorrow, or whenever it is decided, with a group of kids like this, we can't lose.

Here's to Utah and Texas kids!! :toast:

Kanary

[Name removed]

27. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[m berst]

33. you are offbase

This reversal of who the victims are and who the perpetrators are is paralyzing the party and the progressive movement.

People get more outraged about being called a racist then they do about someone being a victim of racism, for example.

This accusing people of accusing line of reasoning is bogus and malicious IMHO, and I never heard it before hate radio started, and I find it shocking to see it on a liberal board.

"Branding someone" you say in one of those threads. How can a person be "branded" with callousness towards the poor or with racism? So what if they were? Are not your rebuttals proof positive that you are in fact one who is callous towards the poor? How does being "branded" with this harm you in any way?

This is pure Republicanism, blaming the poor for class warfare and people of color for racial problems. It has no place in liberal thinking.

[southlandshari]

61. All four links go to the same thread

Why not just post one link to the thread along with the four Kanary posts with which you take issue?

Listen. If we ridicule the people in our party with the most passion, the ones who think fighting poverty is more important than de-freeping polls, that get frustrated from time to time because we, just like those on the "other side," allow ourselves to get distracted by non-issues pushed by the corporate media when our focus should be on less glamourous things like affordable housing and the rights of the disabled -- then all is lost.

Kanary is no freeper. Kanary is one of us. And if we Dems can't tolerate dissent or even internal criticism from people who are on our side (isn't that the side of truth, justice and equality?), we are no better than those we seek to oust from power tomorrow.

[southlandshari]

56. Huh?

How's the weather out there in left field?

Your post is neither germane to the discussion at hand, nor in particularly good taste or spirit.

Maybe I'm really missing your point, but for now, all I can see is a mean-spirited and irrelevant swipe at a fellow DU'er who is well known for passionate advocacy for those in our fair country who need advocates the most.

Please enlighten me if I misunderstood your intent.

[T Town Jake]

69. I've noticed that myself...but the poster in question tends to

...only squeal with phony outrage when asked any serious questions. :shrug:

[ilovenicepeople]

38. TAKE YOUR COUNTRY BACK AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE WORLD IS WITH YOU.:pals:

[grytpype]

15. I would say Sweden, but they don't have an army.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. WE ARE

We are not going to stand it anymnore

Hear me out, Bush actually has managed to unite many of us... agianst him and the corporate whores

We are on YOUR SIDE and we are gonna be on your side

At times this feels like the 1960s all over again

[m berst]

23. thanks xultar

The subject of racism is the unwanted guest at the table when liberals discuss politics. Racism is what the war is about, the detentions, the war on poverty, homeland security, the war on drugs, and the destruction of voting rights, yet we are supposed to compromise on any of this? I don't understand that and I don't understand why it is so hard to get any discussion going on it.

[xultar]

29. I've been here for a while I've had to get ugly on a few occasions. Now

I think we need to work to educate and to inform everyone what we see and feel.

I admit it was hard during the primaries to get people to understand. Especially those who were young on life experience but had the loudest voices. For some reason they all thought they knew what was best for black folk even though none of them knew that I was. At that point I wanted to make sure that everyone on DU knows I'm a black female and I tell it like it is. The most hateful thing when some DUers were calling Congressman Charles RAngle an Uncle tom for supportin Wesley Clark and not Dean. THAT SENT ME OVER THE EDGE. Shit like that will not happen here again. If you're going to say something negative about a respected Democratic public servant it better be fact based and not racist based.

I think watching what the Repubs are doing to us as black folk now is helping the young liberals here and everywhere understand what the real deal is for us. So I don't think they'll be so ready to speak for us but speak WITH US against the Rethuglican establishment.

That is what I want voices, and hearts to work with me. Not speak for or work against me.

We may be on the brink of greater understanding between Democrats, Progressives, and Liberals and all races. That will truly make us a force to be reckon with!

[democratreformed]

37. You made me cry, xultar.

How I wish for a new understanding and equality. BTW, I am a white female. And, I feel your pain. I will be working with you and for you to make this happen.

[xultar]

77. Thank you! We need all the help, friends, and voices we can get! n/t

[m berst]

39. "with" is the key

I too think we are on the brink of a new dawn of understanding and it is right in reach and we can do it together.

Mistreatment of human beings based on the artificial and meaningless criteria of skin color is arbitrary. When we fail to stand up to people being treated a certain way for arbitrary reasons, we have lost the fight against tyranny. This isn't an "issue" off to the side in some drawer somewhere labeled "Black folks concerns" that we put on our liberal agenda. This is core and central to human rights, to democracy and to the fight against tyranny in all of its forms and guises.

Race is an arbitrary excuse for war, torture and oppression. One arbitrary excuse used will lead to any and all arbitrary excuses being used. As liberals, when we accept the concept of "them" we are accepting racism. Being nice to "them" as opposed to being cruel to "them" are just two side to the same coin, and both sides are needed to keep the system of oppression in place.

The very idea of race has no basis in science or genetics, and is an artificially created concept. There is only one race - the human race - and that isn't some bleeding heart liberal sentimentality, it is hard fact. Minorities are not voting blocks or "them," they are people arbitrarily forced into a group and then excluded from mainstream society solely on the basis of skin pigmentation.

Sorry for being so verbose. I am trying to make my meaning very clear.

edit - added a letter

[FizzFuzz]

57. really well said!!!

that's damn right, there shouldn't be that drawer off to the side"black folks issues" or "women's issues" either. What's good for human dignity is good for human dignity. Period!

You're right, arbitrarily singling out some group for discrimination opens the door to the singling out of any other "inconvenient" group.

Disgusting to see what this bunch of fascists is doing. Its the last gasps of a dying old world order that won't give up without an ugly fight. It has to be. Those of us who want change, who want human dignity for everyone are here and influencing others, more and more.

[m berst]

59. thanks FizzFuzz

:-)

[FizzFuzz]

65. you're welcome.

:D I admire good writing.

[Ladyhawk]

63. The right wing wants to divide us into groups and label us.

It's a way to keep us fighting among ourselves.

[FizzFuzz]

64. yes, and now the time is right, awareness has touched a large enough

number of people that we can show them! It will be very cool to see Dems of all description working together at the polls. As an aside, the religious group I belong to is thoroughly diverse, was even written up in a Buddhist magazine as being an unusual example of Buddhism--the largest worldwide group and the most diverse. Even compared to non-Buddhist religious groups. Its something I am in awe of and proud to be involved in.

I also hope that Dems unite on the issues that are threatening women's lives, I want more progress on that one. Well, now I think, there was the hugest march in history, the March for Women's Lives, though the media completely ignored that. I digressed, sorry.

[xultar]

79. What's that, the Crabs in the bucket routine. We have that problem

in the black community as well.

That is where I need to pledge some additional time as well.

Soon the Democrats will feel the breeze of conservative blacks as they leave. Democrats need to stop taking us as a group forgranted.

I've met many young blacks who voted for Bush in '00. I need to spend more time educating my Bruvas and Sistahs. But the Democrats or liberals have to actually do what they say and say what they mean where Blacks are concerned for this to work.

[xultar]

78. I couldn't have said it any better! Here! Here! n/t

[Political_Junkie]

108. Absolute fact!

"The very idea of race has no basis in science or genetics, and is an artificially created concept. There is only one race - the human race - and that isn't some bleeding heart liberal sentimentality, it is hard fact."

[Zorra]

24. Republicans would be burning crosses and wearing white hoods

and carrying ropes at polling stations if they could get away with it.

We have to vote this racist republican party out of existence. We may not be able to stop their hatred but we can sure as hell drive them and their hate underground and into the darkness where it belongs with the rest of the cockroaches, worms, rats, and snakes.

Some people say that all republicans aren't bad.

But, why would anyone be part of a group that was so blatantly and undeniably racist if they were decent people?

[m berst]

26. what's the alternative?

"But, why would anyone be part of a group that was so blatantly and undeniably racist if they were decent people?"

Because they don't see it. And they don't see it because no one is showing them by word and deed. We can make the right wingers into the bad guys and give ourselves gold starts all night long, but it doesn't change the fact that white liberals abandoned the fight. "We're not as bad as Bush!!!" That's true. We are worse. We are worse when we compromise at all on the issue of racism, because we are the ones who claim to have taken up the burden and because we depend on the votes. A person denied their right to vote is a human being and a fellow citizen, not an abstraction or a statistic, and it is happening right now not off in some textbook or in some theoretical sense.

[Zorra]

40. Please don't include me in your "we", I don't fit into your "white

liberal" description.

Not every Democrat is white. Not every "liberal" is white. And if you are insinuating that my experience with bigotry and racism is theoretical or from a textbook you are way, way off base.

It seems, by your own account, that you are a "white liberal", you are worse than Bu$h, that you stopped fighting for people's rights, that you compromise on issues of racism, and have come to the realization that non-white folks are human beings and fellow citizens that are not abstractions or statistics, and that these non-white folks are right now being denied their right to vote.

If this is a problem for you, it would seem logical to look for a solution. Maybe if you find a solution, you could inform other white liberals who share your concerns, maybe even post your idea here at DU.

There is very good reason that women, and ethnic, and other types of minorities vote overwhelmingly against republicans and for Democrats.

The reason is that Democrats, in their limited way, actually do attempt to make every Americans life better.

Hispanics are overwhelmingly against Bu$h, basically every Indian Tribe in the country has come out endorsing Kerry, and black folks traditionally vote overwhelmingly democrat.

Not to mention gays. And women, of course.

Here it is: You want equality, you want fairness, you want rights, you want justice?

Then simply get rid of the republicans. They have been keeping this country from evolving, and have staunchly hindered the Democratic Party from pursuing sensible policies of fairness and equality since the 1950's.

Republicans cannot see that they are racist? What do we have to do, beat them with sticks to get it through to them? They know damn well that they are racists, they just don't say it out loud, although their actions give them away all the time. I recently said this right into both of a republican couples' faces - "You are fucking racists!". This was after they told me that they supported the war in Iraq because it was killing lots of Arabs and that they hated Arabs because of 9/11.

And you know what they said? They said, "We're not racists!"

Democrats are far from perfect. But republicans are totally fucked.

We do the best we can with what we have and hope to make it better from there. Pragmatically speaking, I have to put aside my own "minority issues" right now because there is a pseudo-nazi dictator in the WH and a congress full of fascists hell bent on eliminating every gain in civil rights that we have made in the last 150 years. After Bu$h is gone, I will determine my next best course of action in order to achieve long term goals.

[m berst]

50. sorry that I upset you

Not my intention.

[xultar]

30. That's what I'm tryin to say!!!! n/t

[MadProphetMargin]

46. Check THIS out.

http://cofcc.org

Ashcroft is a BIG fan of these guys.

[gordianot]

32. Actually you are already scaring the crap out of them.

They are afraid of your vote.

That includes the various African American neo-cons.

My opinion is the African American voters are better informed and perceptive than most voters. The neo-cons are everyones enemy including the types who plaster confederate flags on their pick up, they are just not smart enough to figure that out yet.

Desperation, frustration, and persecution are all qualities of government coming to a neighborhood close to you, with equal opportunity.

[xultar]

83. That is one thing the African American Community isn't prepared for

when Republicans and Neo-Cons get desperate...they will do some unspeakable things.

Are we prepared to see that?

I half expect there to be riots today. I dont' think Black folk are gonna put up with any shit today @ the polls. Rethuglicans and Neo Cons aren't willing to let go.

This could get UGLY today.

[gordianot]

98. This is one fat 300 pound white man who is with you.

Desperation is contagious.

[m berst]

34. a suggestion

How about we talk about racism instead of comparing and parading liberal credentials?

How many threads are there about Tweety or Tucker Carlson? Now, you could say "well we would talk about African American TV commentators if there were any." Right. Exactly.

But don't anyone dare suggest that Eminem's career is the product of a racist system. That will really get an argument going.

[xultar]

92. Eminem's carrer is a product of his TALENT...Alone, the boy is good

I'd do him. In a hot min. :evilgrin:

[m berst]

105. yes, very talented man

No question. The recording industry I question, not the artist. Long history there of seeking out and promoting white artists to sell music in styles developed by African American artists. No slam on the man at all.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

36. LOL! No kidding....

The saddest thing is that the media doesn't scream bloody murder. They try to act as if the Democrats are trying to commit voter fraud (with the new registrations, etc.) and so it's even... I've heard several Repubs say "Isn't it terrible how the Democrats are trying to steal this election?" wtf!!!!

:crazy:

[xultar]

93. Yeah, now they try to be fair and balanced and say Dems and Rethugs

are challenging voters.

NO THE HELL DEMS AREN'T.

All this time the media has been balanced to the right. NOW they try to spread the effin blame on voter challenges on both sides.

WTF are they talking about.

:grr::nuke:

[MadProphetMargin]

41. RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! PREACH ON, XULTAR!

[Dem_Loyalist]

43. It wouldn't surprise me a damned bit

To see sheets and hoods in the trunks of my bosses luxo cars. They all listen to limbaugh at the office and of course I have to listen to it as well. If I didn't need this job so bad Id tell them all off. I hear you.

[MadProphetMargin]

45. Ask them about THIS Rush quote:

"And now the liberals want to stop President Reagan from selling chemical warfare agents and military equipment to Saddam Hussein, and why? Because Saddam 'allegedly' gassed a few Kurds in his own country. Mark my words. All of this talk of Saddam Hussein being a 'war criminal' or 'committing crimes against humanity' is the same old thing. Liberal Hate Speech! And speaking of poison gas...I say we round up all the drug addicts and gas them."
Rush (OxyMoron) Limbaugh, Nov. 3, 1988

[Dem_Loyalist]

47. That is FANTASTIC!!!

I'll have to think of some way to ask them that without pissing them off. Not that they would expect anything like that from their "empty headed" receptionist. What a quote! I especially loved the part about gassing the drug addicts!!!

[MadProphetMargin]

48. The quote is from a thread on the front page...which gives the source.

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

49. If there was war like that I'd fight, yeah!

1992 was the best thing that ever happened to LA and California.

But the War on Iraq ain't about democracy... The last thing the neoncons want is some brown-skinned Ay-rab deciding how his own country's run.

(From a guy who's had to listen to Ding Dong talk about the Mideast while sitting next to an Arab-American woman I love. I've lived with prejudice all my life but never felt RACISM like that before.)

[xultar]

87. I was in love and still care for an Moroccan Man...It hurts me deeply

to hear these people who say they wanna liberate Muslims, Arabs, etc.

WTF? Do they think they are crazy? Do they think we are gonna let them get away with that?

While * is saying that he wants to liberate 'Brown' people his people, followers are saying that they want to bomb them off the face of the earth.

WTF kind of liberation is that? Let me liberate you steal, your oil then kill you?

Islam is a beautiful religion and like any religion, including Christianity and Judiasm, there are mad fanatical idiots.

:grr: NeoCons BushCo, Rethuglicans make me so angry :nuke:

[bling bling]

51. You are not alone.

I'm going to the polls tomorrow at 5:30 a.m. with my NAACP poll monitoring shirt on and there are thousands of others, literally, doing the same in my city alone. We're manning the polls everywhere and we're mad as hell.

If the black votes don't get counted this year, it's war for real.

On edit: There were people at the poll monitoring training tonight that drove/flew in from other states. One couple I met came all the way from Vermont!

[xultar]

91. YEAH! That makes me feel a little more comfortable now we gotta

get the IRS of the NAACP.

[Dem_Loyalist]

104. Please forgive my ignorance

But what is the IRS doing to the NAACP?

[AspenRose]

107. They're being audited

They took it to Bush and spoke truth to power, so now they're being audited.

[Chovexani]

53. Preach. (nt)

[Booster]

62. YOU ARE GOING TO DO IT YOURSELF - remember

that when the pundits say Kerry won because black people came out in droves to vote - remember it and be very proud of yourself. Oh, and I helped too.

[xultar]

90. True but I know most Black folk are voting cuz zthey are PISSED

that the RW is trying to take their vote away.

Democrats and Liberals in general need to answer the basic needs of Black folk or they will loose the conservative religious blacks to the dark-side.

If Rethuglicans can promise at LEAST that religious and morality thing. There would be at least one party who provided what they promised. See where I'm heading.

Democrats often promise but rarely deliver socio-economic justice. Why?, Because they are trying to woo the moderate conservative.

That is the puzzle we need to solve.

That is what will ruin us if we don't get the mix right.

[donheld]

66. xultar this is our job

I believe we white people need to stand up strong and loud, and be sure your vote is not just allowed and counted, but embraced, honored and sought out. It is my deep hope that if this election is stolen, that ALL of us as a nation get off our asses and out into the streets.

I for one find what is going on as far as intimidation of black people is just appaulling. I believe it is we white people who need to scream out and make sure we are heard saying "we will NOT tolerate it." Tomorrow may be the start of Civil War 2. My only problem with that is how do we start?
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[xultar]

86. By making sure that our efforts benefit all, that is how we start

when we start brining jobs back President Kerry needs to make sure that there is some tax incentives in place for the businesses to build in the inner cities. Not all in suburbia.

Education, NCLBH...abolish that shit. Put in something that isn't so test based. Black kids aren't learning they are memorizing. That isn't education.

Tax Credits for day care centers in the HOOD! If parents want their kids to have good day care and good pre schools they have to go into the burbs.

That's what I'm sayin...

[fortyfeetunder]

67. BYOD - Bring your own dog

Remember in the 60's the cops brought their German Shepards to polling places to prevent people from voting.

Today, Take your OWN DOG TO VOTE. Make Fido hungry for the breath of the challenging son of a bastard (I'd use bitch but don't want to offend the female dogs) and show Fido's teeth.


WE SHALL OVERCOME THIS INTIMIDATION BULLSHIT

GOTV!!!!

[xultar]

85. I like that IDEA. My mom is ON FIRE (FII-YAH) she's goin on 60

and ready to beat a bubba's ass today if he gets in her way!

[G_j]

68. good post

something has got to give..

[xultar]

96. Thank you. After listening to all the stuff that was going on I BLEW

in the car yesterday. I could have shot to the moon and back. I feel better.

But I will say. IF they steal this one. There's gonna be trouble. The black folk ain't goin to lie down.

Steal my vote once shame on you....
Steal my vote twice, I'm gonna kicka your ass.

[G_j]

103. I've taken this pledge

With Julian Bond, Rev. Jesse Jackson, Barbara Ehrenreich, Howard Zinn and others.
www.nov3.us

Pledge of Action to Stop A Stolen Election

"I remember the stolen presidential election of 2000 and I am willing to take action in 2004 if the election is stolen again. I support efforts to protect the right to vote leading up to and on Election Day, November 2nd. If that right is systematically violated, I pledge to join nationwide protests starting on November 3rd, either in my community, in the states where the fraud occurred, or in Washington DC."

www.nov3.us
+++++++++++++++

[Tight_rope]

71. Amen sistuh!

[Born Free]

73. some of us failed the blacks and other minority Americans,

as democrats sat back and allowed the right wing fantics take over without a fight, we have indeed allowed racism grow. However, the tide is turning , democrats are starting to wake up and getting off their asses to take back America.

[xultar]

81. While you're taking it back remember that what you take back for

yourself isn't necessarily gonna help me and mine. So we need to take America back yes, but watch out for all of us in the process.

We need to bring jobs back to the USA. Well don't steer them all to the suburbs. Steer some, (require with tax incentives) to the inner city and urban areas. So people without cars can use mass transit to work.

That's what I'm sayin when I say take America back for all of us and watch out for the interests of all in the process.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

74. I know!!!!

I was just saying that to my hubby tonight..."As pissed off at the Son of a Bush as we are", I said to honey, "imagine how pissed off we'd be if we were minority voters, or gay voters, or newly registered voters, because, they are particularly trying to deprive those voters of their rights." And you know, I'm glad you agree, because, everybody isn't noticing this. It's not just the people of color, but any minority. My niece, who is out of the closet lesbian and has a girlfriend she'd like to marry, is serving her second term of duty in Iraq, but has no right to marry her sweetheart when she comes home. And they made this an issue when the planet is at war. But you know, if my niece can fight in our wars, she should have the right to marry whomever she wants when she gets home.

[xultar]

94. HELL yeah, can you believe that they wanna draft people then

screw them when they get home.

WTF is that about. I can't believe that the military leans right. WE gotta fix that also.

[RivetJoint]

97. Enlist

If more liberals enlist, we can fix that.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

99. you must be kidding darlink...

who would enlist when US troops are being used for war profiteering? When the Drunken Shrub Twins go to war, then the rest of us will know it really was important. Until then, my kin is not going to the immoral unethical unprovoked oil wars for Shrub.

[Nile]

75. Jessie!, is that you?

Quit the race baiting, you know that we have been free for a long time.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

76. free, but still discriminated against

wise up, if you aren't "owner class" you are being descriminated against, and that aint race baiting, thats economic class baiting.

[xultar]

80. Freedom is relative, and relative to this election...there is no freedom

if Republicans can continue to do what they are doing in black communities and get away with it.

and...they are getting away with it.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

100. has more to do with class

its really not a race thing its really an economic class thing. if you are a rich black guy you can murder your wife or rape people, just so long as you are rich. you can also do this if you are a rich white guy. but if you are a poor anybody, you are barely allowed to breath. its about "owner class vs prole class" or at least, thats what i think. i am a white human but i feel i am discriminated against because i am not "owner class". we are all cousins, even if we are different colors, still cousins, and the ones who are putting us down are doing it about money.

[Chovexani]

82. Black folks out in force in Brooklyn

My mom and I just came back from voting in our very heavily black neighborhood in Brooklyn NY. Many Caribbean immigrants. Polls open in NY at 6 am, my mom and I were there the minute they opened and there was already a crowd. By the time we left the line was out the door...at 6:30am! Mom votes when the polls open all the time because she's a nurse and works weird shifts, she says in 20+ years of living in this area she has never seen so many people come out this early. Many were first time voters. I didn't do a headcount or anything but believe me when I say that place was PACKED.

Mom forgot to pull the lever back (we still have those dinosaur lever machines, bless em!), and one of the poll workers stopped her and said "hey we want EVERY vote to count!" and everyone laughed and clapped.

[xultar]

84. I'm warm with happiness reading your post! Glad to here the Peeps

are out in FORCE in Brooklyn...@ the CRACk 'O Dawn!

I am glad people are getting their early because rain could devestate our efforts today!

[Chovexani]

95. I feel good!

We have had voter registration drives here almost since the theft was completed. A lot of the Island folks became citizens just so they could vote, especially the older ones (I talked to a Bajan lady in line that has been here 25 years and recently became a citizen to cast her first vote).

From one sister to another thank you for your post...so many people shed blood for the right to vote and in 2004 we're STILL having to fight this bullshit. But I feel good today, I really do, black folk are PISSED and unified like never before. Chimpy is toast!

[Is It Fascism Yet]

101. jolly good show

how wonderful!

[BamaBecky]

106. Preaching to the Choir - Do me a favor..........

Copy and past this post. Then go register on the "Free Republic" and the George Bush boards and post that. I would really love for them to see your post. Perhaps it would make them THINK, something they are usually loath to do............:yourock:

[kayell]

109. US, we do it ourselves. We don't take anymore crap, we stand up

for every single person's right to vote and we (all real Americans, no matter their color, gender, sexuality, etc) don't back down ever, EVER again.