THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY BOMBSHELL THAT CANNOT BE DENIED!!!

[stickdog]

If you read one thing this week, read this entire article.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030908-480226,00.html

By March 2002, the terrorist called Abu Zubaydah was one of the most wanted men on earth. A leading member of Osama bin Laden's brain trust, he is thought to have been in operational control of al-Qaeda's millennium bomb plots as well as the attack on the U.S.S. Cole in October 2000. Seventeen months ago, the U.S. finally grabbed Zubaydah in Pakistan and has kept him locked up in a secret location ever since.

(snip)

When questioning stalled, according to Posner, cia men flew Zubaydah to an Afghan complex fitted out as a fake Saudi jail chamber, where "two Arab-Americans, now with Special Forces," pretending to be Saudi inquisitors, used drugs and threats to scare him into more confessions. Yet when Zubaydah was confronted by the false Saudis, writes Posner, "his reaction was not fear, but utter relief." Happy to see them, he reeled off telephone numbers for a senior member of the royal family who would, said Zubaydah, "tell you what to do." The man at the other end would be Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, a Westernized nephew of King Fahd's and a publisher better known as a racehorse owner. His horse War Emblem won the Kentucky Derby in 2002.

Zubaydah, writes Posner, said the Saudi connection ran through Prince Turki al-Faisal bin Abdul Aziz, the kingdom's longtime intelligence chief. Zubaydah said bin Laden "personally" told him of a 1991 meeting at which Turki agreed to let bin Laden leave Saudi Arabia and to provide him with secret funds as long as al-Qaeda refrained from promoting jihad in the kingdom. The Pakistani contact, high-ranking air force officer Mushaf Ali Mir, entered the equation, Zubaydah said, at a 1996 meeting in Pakistan also attended by Zubaydah. Bin Laden struck a deal with Mir, then in the military but tied closely to Islamists in Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (isi), to get protection, arms and supplies for al-Qaeda. Zubaydah told interrogators bin Laden said the arrangement was "blessed by the Saudis."

(snip)

The last eight paragraphs of the book set up a final startling development. Those three Saudi princes all perished within days of one another. On July 22, 2002, Prince Ahmed was felled by a heart attack at age 43. One day later Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki al-Saud, 41, was killed in what was called a high-speed car accident. The last member of the trio, Prince Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir, officially "died of thirst" while traveling east of Riyadh one week later. And seven months after that, Mushaf Ali Mir, by then Pakistan's Air Marshal, perished in a plane crash in clear weather over the unruly North-West Frontier province, along with his wife and closest confidants.

[shirlden]

1. Isn't Zubaydah the guy we

captured "twice" in Pakistan ?

[LosinIt]

2. Isn't Posner the guy who

wrote Case Closed that told us how correct the Warren Report was?

[Fridays Child]

3. Not to shoot the messenger...

...but read this: http://www.posner.com/I_Was_Wrong_About_Bush.htm

I think a lot of people rushed to show their unity, right after 9-11. But I wonder if Mr. Posner's opinion of Bush has been changed by more recent events.

[Fridays Child]

7. An email to Mr. Posner, and his very fast and very brief response...

(...in backwards order):


I still think he's the right person when it comes to the war on terror, although the great test is what shall happen now in Iraq.
Best
Gerald Posner


On Monday, September 1, 2003, at 07:13 AM, Mary wrote:


Dear Mr. Posner:

I'm curious to know if you still hold to the above-referenced post 9-11 evaluation of Mr. Bush. Or has your opinion been modified? In either case, any insight that you wish to share would be most appreciated.

Many thanks,
Mary P
(identifying info deleted)

[Fridays Child]

4. The information about Prince Turki negotiating a deal with...

...bin Laden was previously made public. It was included in the official complaint of the 600 September 11th families who filed suit against the Saudis in 2002.

From http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/3873496.htm:

-snip-

The complaint, based on information from an investigative team paid for by the plaintiffs, names three prominent members of the Saudi royal family: Princes Turki al Faisal al Saud, Sultan bin Abdul Aziz al Saud and Mohammed al Faisal al Saud. It alleges that Prince Sultan, the Saudi minister of defense and aviation, has donated at least $6 million since 1994 to four Islamic charities that allegedly supported al Qaeda.

The suit also alleges Turki al Faisal al Saud, a powerful former Saudi intelligence chief, worked against the proposed extradition of bin Laden and other al Qaeda members from Afghanistan to Saudi Arabia in 1998. In return, the suit alleges, bin Laden agreed not to undermine the Saudi government.

-snip-

[TomNickell]

5. This is consistent with much other information...

Involvement of the Saudi elites with Bin Laden and other terrorism has been clear for a long time. This is the first account to give names and places.

[stickdog]

6. I really don't care who the messenger is. And a lot of the article reads

like disinfo -- especially the part about the fake Saudi jail and the US agents being so damn stunned that Zubaydah was tied in with the Saudis.

However, this paragraph can't be spun ups down of sideways:

Those three Saudi princes all perished within days of one another. On July 22, 2002, Prince Ahmed was felled by a heart attack at age 43. One day later Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki al-Saud, 41, was killed in what was called a high-speed car accident. The last member of the trio, Prince Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir, officially "died of thirst" while traveling east of Riyadh one week later. And seven months after that, Mushaf Ali Mir, by then Pakistan's Air Marshal, perished in a plane crash in clear weather over the unruly North-West Frontier province, along with his wife and closest confidants.

[RainDog]

9. I remember when those princes died

all within days of each other.

I remember hearing it spun as a power struggle within the House of Saud.

The horrible irony of America's situation at this moment, as Robert Baer, former intel has noted, as the two French journalists in Forbidden Truth have noted, as Greg Palast has noted, as Sy Hersh has noted in his New Yorker articles...

the horrible truth is that the Bush junta is in bed with the Saudis who sponsor terrorism, and with Pakistan.

Both of these totalitarian regimes have made deals with their extremist factions to maintain power. The Bushies know this, and yet they cannot admit it to the American public because of their own complicity with these people.

That's not LIHOP or MIHOP. That's about money. Oil money and pipelines.

Posner may very well be talking for the pro-Likkudites within the Bush administration, but I think the underlying realities are true.

Bush has too many conflicts of interest to work for the good of America. But if the Saudis pull their money out of the US, no doubt many Americans would suffer for it.

But again, another blowback for foreign policy decisions based upon hawk idiocy and an unwillingness on the part of the US to let other countries decide their own fates.

that's what's gotten us into this mess.

[bpilgrim]

10. it certainly reads as if perel or wolfowitz of arabia was standing over

his shoulder as he wote it but those deaths have always stood out.

the REAL ISSUE is this admin too hopelessly COMPROMISED with their WELL KNOWN historical and current TIES to the SAUDIS?

i CAN'T WAIT till THAT becomes a press meme ;->

peace

[Minstrel Boy]

8. I read Posner the way a

Kremlinologist would have read Pravda 30 years ago. I think his book is part of the "let's turn on the Saudis" rollout. That's not to deny Saudi complicity - hell, we've known their hands are dirty all along - just that the time is now to begin demonizing them. The 28 pages were redacted to protect Bush more than the Saudis, but that's not how it was played. Coming, sooner or later: taking the "Saudi" out of "Saudi Arabia," and seizure of the oil fields.

[nolabels]

11. TIME and Posner are used to loft ideals up on deck

Triangulating info let out does work though, like the ideal that Bin Laden could not have done it alone. The story tries to work up on some elaborate story to get to this paragraph

Zubaydah, writes Posner, said the Saudi connection ran through Prince Turki al-Faisal bin Abdul Aziz, the kingdom's longtime intelligence chief. Zubaydah said bin Laden "personally" told him of a 1991 meeting at which Turki agreed to let bin Laden leave Saudi Arabia and to provide him with secret funds as long as al-Qaeda refrained from promoting jihad in the kingdom. The Pakistani contact, high-ranking air force officer Mushaf Ali Mir, entered the equation, Zubaydah said, at a 1996 meeting in Pakistan also attended by Zubaydah. Bin Laden struck a deal with Mir, then in the military but tied closely to Islamists in Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (isi), to get protection, arms and supplies for al-Qaeda. Zubaydah told interrogators bin Laden said the arrangement was "blessed by the Saudis."

Which only indicates to me that they are caving on the Bin laden acting alone, which is never been proven he acted at all.

This little link explains a lot I think
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=157573