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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:33 PM
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message from al franken on the situation
this one really helped lift me:

MESSAGE FROM AL

Anytime you lose like this, there’s a certain amount of Wednesday-morning quarterbacking and woulda-coulda-shoulda. I have no regrets myself, but as I look back at Kerry’s campaign, there are a couple of points where, if he had it all to do over again, I think he should have done it differently.

For example, in the first debate, Kerry announced that he would put our national security decisions in the hands of France. He said very explicitly that we would have to pass a global test before using force. I think a lot of us watching at the time thought that that was a mistake.

Also, of course, the flip-flops, especially those about Iraq. Voting, as you know, for the war, then against it, for it, then against it-having, as Sean Hannity said, literally 80 different positions. I wish he could have chosen one position and stuck with it.

Kerry’s decision to ban the Bible. That was a huge mistake, especially in very Christian areas. That might have gone over fine in atheist communities, but it cost him big everywhere else.

And then proposing a health care system that would impose an enormous federal bureaucracy and give medical decisions to paper-pushers in Washington, and in France.

And going back to Vietnam, the way he lied about what happened, inflicted those wounds on himself to get those medals, and then threw them out-I think that was a mistake. Of course, that was a mistake that he made back then, decades ago. But he could have been more honest about it now.

A lot of people talk about Bush’s record, and what he might do in the next term, but what this really comes down to is character. And ceding your doctor’s authority to France, and the flip-flops, and shooting himself in the leg to win a medal-I guess those things just overcame the awful, failed presidency of George W. Bush.

***

You know I wouldn’t mind losing an election if it were an honest disagreement, based on facts, over values and policy. But that’s not what happened. A large majority of Bush supporters went to the polls believing things that were false. For example, any of the above. They believed lies about Kerry, and they believed lies about Iraq, and they believed lies about Bush.

We’re not going to heal this country as long as we have a president who won’t be accountable, who won’t tell the truth, who is willing to campaign with a vicious dishonesty that is unprecedented.

After Barry Goldwater was crushed by Lyndon Johnson in 1964, the right decided to take a long view. They poured literally billions of dollars into creating the right-wing infrastructure that dominates our politics today. They built up the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the Media Research Center, and now Fox News Channel-and many other organizations, above and below the radar. Though they won the White House in 1968, it took them thirty years to reach their ascendancy in 1964.

Our side just started. Air America went on the air seven months ago. Normally, incumbent presidents either win by a landslide or lose by a landslide, and a year or two ago, people thought it would be an overwhelming Bush victory. It wasn’t. For an incumbent wartime president, this was a close race. And we’ve created a movement to take this country back. Even though we didn’t do it this time, I believe that we will still do it.

The other side wants us to get demoralized, but we are going to fight. We are going to fight every step of the way.

Round two starts now.

Al Franken

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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:35 PM
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1. Right on, Al. Let's soldier on.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:37 PM
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2. And why did the believe those lies?
Religion. They already believe in the biggest lie of all. What did we expect?
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Randypiper Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:37 PM
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3. Thanks
I needed that.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:38 PM
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4. Me to Bush supporters...
..."Fuck you, I wish misery upon you. You voted for a fraud, a vote based on lies, and you deserve to burn in hell. May all your days be filled with dissappointment, fear and pain."
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:39 PM
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5. That's EXACTLY what I believe (the role of lies) but much funnier!!!
Thanks!!!
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:40 PM
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6. "Round two starts now"
I keep wondering; how in the hell is everyone expecting to "fight"?

Will we ever have a free and fair election again? I doubt it.

Will the media ever listen to us? Um, no.

Will we ever manage to boycott anything long enough and well enough for the boycott to be effective? I don't think so.

Will the "activism and events" forum ever be active enough to be sandwitched between GD and the lounge? Hell no.

So what happens in "round two"? Somebody please give some specifics.

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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:42 PM
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7. "Lies" was the book that finally got me physically involved.
I always had my views...but that book really turned me on to the whole thing.

And ironically...I would have NEVER read his book (nor would it have hit #1) if it wasn't for our good buddy...Bill O'Reilly.

Could you imagine if we look back on this 30 years from now...when we have complete control of all 3 branches...and can owe it all to Bill "Falafel" O'Lielly.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:44 PM
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8. Air America is impressing the shit out of me today
Brav-fucking-o! I'll be with them for round two.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:46 PM
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9. Franken can go fuck himself
as long as he has that so-called friend on his show -- Franken can go to hell.

And he can shut the fuck up.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:51 PM
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14. huh
so-called friend? am i missing something?
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:56 PM
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15. His ditto head friend was allowed to dominate Franken's show
today -- I turned on just in time to hear the vilest crap coming out of this bastard's mouth. I will NEVER forgive butt hole Franken for that. This is THE one day that Franken's buddy should NEVER have been given air time. Franken is a self centered bastard.

Thank GOD -- Randi Rhodes knew exactly how to communicate today.

Franken is NOT a professional -- Rhodes is a professional.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:11 PM
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20. Did you go through the metal detector on the way to the forum?
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:25 PM
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28. What kind of fucking remark is that?
Franken isn't a professional.

Malloy and Rhodes are the real radio professionals.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 12:03 AM
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30. You figure it out!
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:11 PM
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25. Franken has the right idea.
This election has done one thing: there is now in place a very sizable bloc of people, including myself, who will never, ever vote for a Republican again. Never, never, never.

However, we will not be able to grow our base unless we reach out to people with the truth, and back it up with our actions. Part of the "Reagan Revolution" was the result of this kind of outreach. There are a lot of former Dems on the other side of the aisle. We should consider this possibility: there may well be a lot of future Democrats over there now who just haven't gotten the truth yet.

We have two advantages over the 1964 bunch: communications are far faster and, thanks to the internet, more varied than ever before. Instead of coming off of an overwhelming defeat, we have lost the last two elections by less than two total percentage points - combined. (I won't go into the questions already arising in the 2004 vote.)

We also have many similiarities: an unpopular war has disaffected many in our country and our youth face the very real possibility of being drafted into that war. The 1964 Civil Rights Act sent a lot of Democrats permanently into the Republican camp. The social intolerance of the far right has, in all likelihood, shifted many people permanently to our side. Lyndon Johnson was very much in the pockets of the military/industrial complex, and engaged in a number of behind-the-scenes activities that could only charitably be described as extralegal; many people believe that the Bush administration has behaved similarly.

We can do it. We must do it.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:47 PM
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10. Wonderful! Al Franken is a treasure. (eom)
NT
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:49 PM
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11. Do you have a link for this?
I'd love to post it on my blog :)
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:51 PM
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13. sure
www.ofrankenfactor.com
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:49 PM
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12. thanks
I'm so low that nothing is really registering with me, but that came close.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:59 PM
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16. This message is a fake, or else Franken is now an alien
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 09:02 PM by Bozos for Bush
I can't believe that Franken wrote this. The crap about banning the Bible, and shooting himself in the leg, is especially hilarious.

John
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Mister K Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:06 PM
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18. What's scary is that these rumors were actually spread...
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:08 PM
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19. You need to read beyond the first few paragraphs
(It's sarcasm.)
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:10 PM
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24. OK sorry, just depressed and angry (n/t)
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:02 PM
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17. the repukes lied and lied and lied and lied and lied
and the Murkan people can't tell the difference anymore
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:15 PM
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21. Al nailed it -- but what I would've given for some Murray Kempton
Kempton, who died back in 1997, was my all-time favorite columnist -- an incredibly wry, observant opinion writer famous (some would say notorious) for his dense, complexly worded sentences. Yet there'd always be half a dozen points that would have you thinking. Murray looked remarkably patrician, but was a champion of the average Joe. And you can be sure he would have been perturbed, a little amused -- and very encouraging in his comments and observations.

For te uninitiated, more on him in Salon's great obituary.
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pmbryant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:52 PM
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22. Funny and inspiring in the same piece
Al, you are a treasure. Thanks for all your hard work.

--Peter
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Dukakis88 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:55 PM
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23. Wow. This renews my respect for Al Franken.
Very, very well written piece.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:16 PM
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26. I love Al, but I really don't want to heal the country anymore.
I want to kick it in the face when it gets hungry. And that's going to happen when Bush finishes fucking up the economy, you know. All those "git guvment outta my life" jackasses are going to be looking for jobs, or handouts. And I'm going to kick them in the face.

Not very enlightened I suppose, but hey.
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Rochambeau Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:33 PM
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27. he's right on the substance too! Finaly B*sh's victory is NOT that big!
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 10:42 PM by Rochambeau
You all created a damn strong dynamic with that campain! It mustn't stop now. Many, many factors can explain the result and NONE are impossible to strike back (the lies, the fear fueled by the lies, the repugs lie machine etc...) but you sure need TOOLS YOU DON'T HAVE YET. Face it, main stream media was since decades more on the liberal side or at least was doing its job honestely. It is NO MORE (IMO since at least ten years) !! So you need the WEAPONRY NOW !! You can't rely on the MSM to tell the truth when the GOP big liying machine is at work because they are everthing but independent. Al Franken is not only preaching for his own chapell (Air America) he's DAMN RIGHT !! Round two....
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:35 PM
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29. Again, Big Al is on the money.
This election has done one thing: there is now in place a very sizable bloc of people, including myself, who will never, ever vote for a Republican again. Never, never, never.

However, we will not be able to grow our base unless we reach out to people with the truth, and back it up with our actions. Part of the "Reagan Revolution" was the result of this kind of outreach. There are a lot of former Dems on the other side of the aisle. We should consider this possibility: there may well be a lot of future Democrats over there now who just haven't gotten the truth yet.

We have two advantages over the 1964 bunch: communications are far faster and, thanks to the internet, more varied than ever before. Instead of coming off of an overwhelming defeat, we have lost the last two elections by less than two total percentage points - combined. (I won't go into the questions already arising in the 2004 vote.)

We also have many similiarities: an unpopular war has disaffected many in our country and our youth face the very real possibility of being drafted into that war. The 1964 Civil Rights Act sent a lot of Democrats permanently into the Republican camp. The social and religious intolerance of the far right has, in all likelihood, shifted many people permanently to our side. Lyndon Johnson was very much in the pockets of the military/industrial complex, and engaged in a number of behind-the-scenes activities that could only charitably be described as extralegal; many people believe that the Bush administration has behaved similarly.

Finally, we have an appreciation of economic issues that wasn't so evident in the 1960's. We have the power of the purse. If you know a business whose owner is a GOP contributor, don't do business there - and make sure that (1) other local Dems know and (2) that the business knows EXACTLY why they won't get your custom. This has been used to great effect by the GOP. Well, we all know there's as many of us as there are of them. WalMart got my last nickel some time ago. Time for some research, folks. A small business won't go political if it has a price. It costs me inconvenience, and sometimes costs money, but you'd be amazed how quickly you adjust. And the business that gets your custom is that much more loyal to you. All the conglomerates in the world can't force you to patronize them, and a loss of business = a loss in revenue = unhappy shareholders. You want to make someone reconsider their position? The free market cuts both ways, people!

We can do it. We must do it. Starting..... NOW.

Mac in Ga.
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