What hurt the worst, is that for the most part, America CHOSE

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

Bush. They could have chosen a good man instead of a demonstrable miserable failure of a president. But they didn't.

Don't get me wrong. I'm highly suspicious of shenanigans, of both the illegal and the legal variety, in FL and OH, based on all the reasons hashed over relentlessly on this board. I think we might very well have been robbed of an electoral victory (and I consider "legal" vote suppression to be just as much a robbery as BBV vote stealing).

But for it to be even close enough for this to happen, means that in a real way, America had a chance to choose a courageous and brilliant man, a good man. And it chose a bad man, a phony, weak, dishonest failure. For the worst of reasons, or for no reason.

It's not even the fact that we and the world now must live with and reckon with bushco unfettered by the "threat" of an election and all of those consequences, bad as that is. But that as a nation (not the NE, W, and parts of the upper Midwest,and certainly not we Dems), we CHOSE bushco.

It hurt me to the core that not ONE of the southern states that gave us hope, not one VA, NC, AR, came over to the light.

As a nation, in 2004, we apparently do not deserve to have a good man like John Kerry as our president. We appear to deserve George W. Bush.

Rove and Bushco just did exactly as I expected of them. But it's my country, America, that has let me down.

[XanaDUer]

1. It's pretty disgusting, isn't it?

...

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. Ya know. We're all gonna die. The only question is when and how.

At least having Bush as president seems to remove part of the mystery.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. Those who sow the wind reap the whirlwind

trouble is, those of us who made the sane choice will also be the recipiant of the bad karma which I feel is coming our way, and probably sooner than later. (Note to SS monitoring this site-I mean by this not a terrorist attack but an economic collapse and possibly another war)

[Drewbert]

5. Wake up call

Americans won't wake up until something drastic happens. Something like the draft or LA riots.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

9. Sad, but you are right. Full blown economic Depression. Draft. Defeat

in a war. I had hoped that this kind of thing wouldn't be required, but I think America has well and fully jumped the shark. I am still trying to wrap my mind around any possibilities of pulling out of this without the sort of calamities mentioned.

I'm much less optimistic than before.

[OHdem10]

4. Now as the dust is settling

I have picked this up. A lot of people were most conflicted over changing horses midstream. With a war going on better not change leaders. This was a concern which makes it difficult to even challenge an incumbet during a war.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

7. Except that it is a bogus "war". We'll "declare victory" and an end to

the "war on terror" the same day the "war on murder" and the "war on disease" ends.

So I guess the next time a Dem becomes president, if ever, we just start a series of wars that cannot end, and we'll never lose...

[uppityperson]

6. Agreed

I just don't get people.

[leftyandproud]

8. Let them have it

If polling of the military was correct, the military absentees will go 70% Bush when they get here. That could put him up over 4 million on the popular vote...truly unbelievable.

[GreenArrow]

12. support the troops

.

[leftyandproud]

20. sure

[nutshell2002]

10. I agree completely

For better (hah) or worse, I'll deal with the coming onslaught of a 2nd * term. But I feel like I've been kicked in the gut by my fellow citizens who voted for this monster. It is a total repudiation of me, as a gay person, and everything I believe in. That will take some time to sink in.

[leftofthedial]

11. Murkan stupidity and religious zealotry made it close enough

once again for the repuke fraud to steal

we can't keep ignoring that it is no longer fair or just, that votes no longer count or get counted equally

we have to find a way to defeat the neocons and their stooges anyway.


Murka is predominantly stupid, lazy and irrational. Live with it as it gets worse for four more years.

[Cat Atomic]

13. I was saying almost the exact same thing to a friend earlier.

It shouldn't have even been close enough to steal. The fact that a huge portion of this country actually chose Bush- after everything he's done...

Well, I lost all respect for this country today.

It's like something decent has been pronounced dead. Feels like I'm burying my dad again, somehow.

[wiggs]

14. How many who voted for Bush really know what they are getting?

How many bought into the illusion of Bush, the illusion of Kerry that they created, the illusion of false issues?

How many who voted for Bush really knew about his weakness, his dishonesty, his failures? Not many, I would guess. And how many who voted for Bush really knew SBVT was fake, that Kerry was not the mot liberal Senator, that he was not a flip-flopper?

I have to believe that people were lazy and gullible and the WH took advantage by distoring almost everything. I would be even more worried if I thought that people really did know him and Kerry and still voted this guy in...easier to believe the wool was pulled over their eyes.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

16. Duped or no (and most ARE duped), it's still their fault. The info is

out there and it's not even really hard to see. You can see it, sense it at your gut level, the dishonesty. To confirm it with a tiny bit of research is very easy.

[sandnsea]

21. They put their hands over the wool

And screamed 'no, don't take away the wool, liberals are bad and I am good'. There is something deep in the soul of these Bush voters that needs to believe in the illusion of Bush.

[ignatius 2]

15. It is sad and pretty damn disgusting that some 50% of Americans are

either too lazy, ignorant or apathetic to seek the truth about this vile administration. Too much survivor,bachelor,whatever the hell reality tv is on when the bitter reality is that most wouldn't know reality if it bit them in the ass.

In the line at the polls last night I struck up a conversation with the man in front of me. He said he thought about voting for Kerry but didn't like the fact that in the debates Kerry couldn't think of even one mistake he had made.

I said what on earth are you talking about, that was Bush. He said that maybe that was when he got his 4 year old a drink. Jesus effin Christ, people can't even remember from a few weeks ago what the hell was going on. Is half the nation on fucking qualudes or something?

I think I will get drunk tonight and pray that the next 4 years will disgust even those idiotic 50%. Maybe enough blood will be spilled to satiate them. You know killing innocent people used to be immoral, now being gay is about the worst thing that 50% think there is. How long before gays are round up and put in concentration camps?

I wish the Toby Keith 50%'s wuld just go far far way to another galaxy where being brain dead is an attribute.

[yellowdog]

18. In the past couple months

I have run into two different registered voters that didn't know which was the Democrat and which was the Republican, 7 or 8 that thought that Saddam was involved in 9/11, about the same number that thought WMD's had been found in Iraq. These are the people that re-elected Bush. When I asked them how they got their information about what was going on, it was either Fox News or something glimpsed briefly while channel surfing. I know for a fact most of these people spend hours in front of the tv, but they obviously are not watching C-Span. To them news research is boring, pulls them away from their "reality" shows and besides "How much do you really need to know?"

[Snellius]

17. And they chose that lying piece of shit for his "moral values"

Somehow lying to parents to send their sons or daughters to their deaths in a useless cause is okay, just as long as he makes sure that, god forbid, he prevents them from marrying someone from the same sex.

[not fooled]

19. why * won: dumb guys and religious kooks

The * supporters I have spoken with before and after the election have minimal comprehension of his true agenda, what has really been going on in Iraq, what has been happening in the legislature, or how deleterious his policies are to the common man (in direct opposition to his image among the ignorant who perceive him as their friend).

So who voted for *? Dumb guys and religious kooks, that's who. When the majority of voters are ignorant, stupid, and/or emotion-driven, the stage is set for a complete idiot to be set up as a front man while his cronies really run the country and loot it to their hearts' content.

I have no confidence that this country is in anything other than a downward spiral. The 'pukes exercise control over so much of the gov't now, and they have the chance to further tighten their grip. The corporate media won't expose them, so the public won't wake up. Death spiral?