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Cinletharwi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:07 PM
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The Corporation evokes some ideas
How many of you have seen "The Corporation"? Watching it and reflecting on last night, I feel the need to begin thinking outside the box about our political system.

Watching it was thoroughly depressing, but after last night I'm wondering that since Corporate Culture is what's really strangling our country (look at the media, for a prime example) and pulling our strings, would it be possible for us to start a grassroots effort to counter it with the intensity and heart you've given this election?

What could be the anti-thesis of all we see wrong with our political and corporate culture?

Would they take heed if we organized such a massive, nation-wide effort to "vote with our dollars," considering they have nothing but contempt for our ballot votes?

I'm talking massive, popular organization of all who are now tired with fighting the status quo from within it's rules. Hunt down all corporations that instigate (and collude with) the worst of our political system and punish them financially. Not a boycott; boycotts are temporary negotiations to change one or a few aspects of their practices. Rather, a change in civil culture aimed at saying we've had enough of their pseudo-fascism, and exclude them from OUR lives as much as humanly possible while sytematically exposing the harm. To win the attention of those not inclined to awareness, it would have to be a truly human and universal endeavor, rather than a partisan or ideological/issues thing.

Are we at that point yet, or is it still a bit further down the road? Are we fed up enough, or can we still work within the system as we find it today?

I have dialectics in mind while considering all of this over the past 24 hours. What is truly the thesis of what we oppose, and where do we look for it's anti-thesis?

I supppose thinking along this line is my way of 'dealing' with last night.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:16 PM
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1. That, and being "too poor to shop" might get their attention
n/t
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Cinletharwi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:24 PM
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9. "Too poor to shop"
Naturally, but they cannot see this and therefore can't respond to it like massive non-cooperation might force them to.

It will take something deliberate to negate their power over our culture and political systems.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:18 PM
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2. People Are Willing
We cannot keep protesting the way we have. We should still hold Peaceful Demonstrations, but Boycotting corporate entities is their Hive. We need to go for their weakness, which is their #1 strength. Time we start, showing them what being "Conservative" really means.
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Cinletharwi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:39 PM
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5. I feel it's the only power we have now
Even for we who are very poor and have little to spend anyway, we have our choice not to collude with what we see as false and corrupt.

Maybe our new slogan should be, "Every dollar counts!"(witholding from them) Because it seems every vote no longer does...

Fight fire with fire? Dollar with dollar?

The corps own our political processes; they make our leaders beholden to them for political survival, both Rep and Dem.

The corps have made the dollar the center and true executor of political power in this country. That makes our dollars virtual "votes."

What might happen if we methodically withdraw them from the corps that we find are corrupting our political processes?

Just trying to start some creative thinking and discourse now that I've burned through my anger.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:47 PM
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6. I'm Creatively Thinking along the Same Lines As You
We need to look at this thing like we did against Sinclair. We can essentially shut this country done if we really want to. The largest strike this nation has ever seen. And we pool our resources into an aid fund for people who need it!
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Cinletharwi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 12:03 AM
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13. Gandhi was my hero
Peaceful, non-violent, non-cooperation against Corporations that we find are threatening the Public Good is not only a necessity by now, but a noble struggle.

By refusing to cooperate and collude with that which we see as false or evil, while nurturing the Good we see, we change the world for the better - even if we cannot see the outcomes in our lifetimes.

Corporations are financial powers dependent upon consumer cooperation, all wealth is actually; we sell our labor to the wealthy and Corporations, they cannot function without us.

They depend on, and count on, our cooperation; they know we're willing accomplices. That's why they spend billions on advertising, to keep us that way.

Their understanding is that we Americans are too lazy and "busy" to rock the boat, that it would mean too much of an inconvenience for us to systematically avoid their products and services. That's why they merge and diversify their product lines, making it harder for us to effectively boycott.

My mother, for example, hates Walmart with a passion, but returns every week like a drug addict to get her fix. Most Americans are resigned over what to do about corporate corruption and public abuse because there is no organizing principle - so they depend with futility on politicians, which is of course about like chickens depending on the yard hound to save them from Colonel Sanders.

The problem deserves further consideration by all who want change. At this point I do not see any other way to change our society on our (human) terms.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:22 PM
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3. Interesting point of view
Your site clearly sets an ambitious agenda, I must say. As does this post. More than interesting, you approach what I regard as critical points.

The attack against "Godless corporatism" must be multitentacular. Each onslaught must be designed to limit scope, power, and profit margins of the offending corporations. I see a spectrum of responses, ranging for civil court action, criminal charges, negative advertising campaigns, etc.

Possibly the open source software development movement and the Dean and Clark movements offer a model of how resources and manpower may be marshalled from the common folk to conduct these efforts.

We must never forget that almost 50,000,000 Americans adamantly oppose the Bush/Corporatist agenda. That's a lot of Americans.

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Cinletharwi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:20 PM
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8. The internet makes so much possible
It's no wonder they are racing to find ways of clamping down on it. Spam and viruses, etc. will be the excuses they use to take more control of it.

They've already flooded it with commercialism so thoroughly that to find useful information and people becomes a skill in itself.


More on the point, such a movement as I said must remain neutral politically and hold unwaiveringly to the pursuit and dissimination of truth, facts, and be a platform for honest, reasoned discourse.

Evil and ignorance (PNAC and FOX?) cannot compete with Truth for mass appeal, as their control and appeal depends precisely on misinformation and ignorance.

Such a movement would negate the very core of their power.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:30 PM
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10. Truth is much more important
than ideological preference. We are in agreement.
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Cinletharwi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:46 PM
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12. If truth is our agenda, no smear campaign can ever challenge our integrity
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UL_Approved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:25 PM
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4. The Achilles heel of all corporations
The great weakness and flaw with any corporate entity is the same as it is for all organizations. Governments, corporations, and other hierarchical social structures depend upon people. Not just people who do the administration and management, but an underclass that does the major body of work. The great juggling act faced by any of these organizations is to keep people moving to different token items of concern. Pop culture is based around a positive association technique. I wanna be like Mike, the Backstreet Boys, Britney Aigulera, etc. Politics of exploitation is usually based around a negative association. Terrorists, Communists/Americans, Jews, etc. The great failing point of these structures comes about when widespread ethical reasoning impacts a society. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Mahatma Gandhi figured this out. Many others have as well. The greatest danger to our survival as a species comes about when the powers that be become so ravenous in their struggle for control that they destroy any and all reason that comes about in their nation. This can be done through brutal violence and/or massive brainwashing. The religious right in this country has eerie parallels to Stalinist policies in the former Soviet Union. Many Americans are not under this spell, but many are. Politics will still be alive for a few years, but it will be slowly erased with ultra-national policies and propaganda if we don't stem the tide. An appeal to a broad base of voters may be our only hope of averting this trend before our whole country enters the fold.
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Cinletharwi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:13 PM
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7. Yes, they derive their power from the consent/collusion of their subjects
Gandhi's lesson is that we can negate their power by withdrawing that which feeds it.

Take the largest corporation in the world. If there were a popular movement of non-cooperation with it, from buying it's product to refusing to sell your labor to them, it would fail.

The game of marketing is, as you pointed out, to keep a moving line of concern (with consumers) to lure their cooperation and dollars(votes?). The game is actaully one of pacification, as there is never enough shit to buy at Walmart; there's never enough to fill the abyssmal emptiness of a meaningless life. Right now our culture says, "Buy this lifestyle, it'll provide meaning!" But it doesn't, subconsciously we know this even as we shop for things we don't truly need from corporations we don't hold accountable.

At this point it is about possesive concerns, wanting to BE someone/something, to buy a LIFESTYLE. LIFESTYLE is the key word here, and it is the CORE of Corporate Power. When people no longer seek lifestyle, Corporate culture will have to adapt if it is going to survive. When we no longer given them our dollars, THEY will have to change to survive. That change is the SYNTHESIS.

Corporations, in response to antithesis, could either become accountable and "responsible corporate citizens" and subservient to human needs, or they could fail. It would be like CORPORATE DARWINISM, for real instead of the fake "free market" we see today. The only reason a company like Walmart is as dominating and "souless" is because there is no current antithesis which "demands" it's change.

In the short-term though, our economy might suffer when the "market" sees such a movement of uncertainty. As it stands, humans are predictable, stable, unthreatening consumers - meaning there is no opposition to whatever they do as long as they deliver their products.

Such a movement might be chaotic economically, but what major cultural change isn't?

The issues so brilliantly revealed in the documentary "The Corporation" are issues that effect and are important EVERYONE, no matter their political ideology. The primary problem is that they are not aware of and do not understand the implications and consequences.

This is where the media steps in. It is precisely their job to PREVENT US from comprehending any of these important matters. It's in their best interests, actually, as corporations delivering other products besides the "news," that we be utterly ignorant of OUR best interests. That is how they sell us anything they want - regardless of what we want.

Their need for control over us is increasing, almost as if they see a threat on the horizon... Thus, we see our political system and capacity for critical reasoning under siege, and what better way to do this than to encourage and promote religious ideology in our capitals rather than intelligence?
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ciaobox Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:30 PM
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11. Rad! I started a similar thread here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=18517&mesg_id=18517

PM me if you are interested in volunteering. I am thinking of starting a website in a couple weeks.
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Cinletharwi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 12:27 AM
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14. Just PM'ed you n/t
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 12:38 AM
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15. Excellent....everything I have been thinking
runs along the same lines...
How about BUY NOTHING.com
Simple, bold, to the point.

Every end is also a beginning...I think this has to be it. We certainly have the numbers, and success could be had by Christmas. By which...a shutting down of the economy such that the military budget would be unsustainable...let the air out of the empire's tires before it can build up a head of steam. Second, if it is known that dems can act in an organized manner, whether we have someone on the hill or not our voice will be heard.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 12:49 AM
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16. Center on Christmas
Major segments of the economy are critically dependent on Christmas sales, and a drop off then would be dramatic and have immediate impact.

BUY NOTHING for Christmas.

Ok, I have kids too...but we make things. Pretty much everybody knows how to make something. Art, woodwork, needlework, etc. We have talked about it and our family and extended families are agreed. It is going to be a different kind of year, and I hope everyone can do this.

BUY NOTHING. Make Christmas matter. I am committed...no plastic walmart crap, no imported electronics. One way or another every dollar you spend here buys a bullet or a bomb somewhere else.
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Cinletharwi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 01:25 AM
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17. Effective if organized and deliberate in order to "send a message"
But ultimately it will require an alteration in lifestyle on our part, at least to some degree, to exclude all products and services associated with Corporations found to be harming the public good in any way.

Corporations are used to us boycotting products because of a certain issue, but only for limited amounts of time.

They are not used to mass-refusal to cooperate with their existence.

I would like to a see "court" formed by a grassroots organization that "tries" corporations suspected of harming the public good. Evidence presented, etc. If found guilty, individual members of the organization withdraw ALL financial and labor support from that company and it's subsidaries/parents.

I wonder if that would get their attention, if there was an organization watching them all and organizing mass financial consequences for that company. These days, there are few corporations that are not diversified into other industries, and so would be easier to punish them financially.
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Amanda Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:05 AM
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21. My thought exactly!
I've already broken out the knitting needles. :)

Maybe taking the kids on a trip would be a nice substitute for presents. Nothing too bad about the tourism industry, especially when it benefits areas who lack industrial/corporate complexes.
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captain jack Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:03 PM
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38. stick with the blue states for your vacation or road trip.
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captain jack Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:06 PM
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39. stop.com sounds pretty catchy as well.
You could implement the stop sign which everyone recognizes.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 01:39 AM
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18. I think that this is a good idea
One small but easy way for people to start is to shift their buying habits from big corporations to local businesses, including second-hand buying.

It's easier to find out if a local business supports Republicans or Democrats. I can cross them off my list if I don't like who they support with their dollars or advertising. I can support them by patronizing them if they support democratic values.

Buying second-hand, from individuals on ebay, at tag sales, etc. is a great way to save money and undercut corporate profits, while helping out individuals. It's also a form of recycling.

This is an easy way for people to get started.
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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 01:43 AM
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19. Stop feeding the Beast!
I love your idea! Money is like crack-cocaine to these corporate Bush-supporting bastards! They live, breathe, and think about getting their greedy hands on our money.

This needs to be done world-wide. I'm sure many are willing. Spread the message on foreign message boards and tell them to vote with their dollar.

At this moment, we may not have control of the White House, we may not have control of the House, nor may we have control of the Senate. But we DAMN well have control of how we spend our money!

Get the word out!

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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:02 AM
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20. Not just corporations.
We got defeated in rural and middle America and I think we need to strike back there, too.

Don't support businesses that supported Bush. Take notice of every business that has a Bush sign and write it down. When we've all recovered a bit, and are ready to take action, this will come in handy. Remember that even in the reddest states there are millions of people that are feeling the same anger.

Cancel subscriptions to papers that endorsed Bush and stop buying them at the newstand. Organize like-minded individuals to do the same.

If your church is preaching the politics of hate quit your church and join one that is preaching the beatitudes.

Stop watching the news on MSNBC and CNN and don't even check in to see what Fox is up to. Watch Nightline, 60 minutes and the Sundance channel. Get those lists of musicians and actors that supported Bush and stop buying their products. Support those artists that worked so hard for our cause.

Repeat after me: "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more."


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Cinletharwi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:31 AM
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22. One thing that must be said - a reply to the entire thread
It's a good start to look for businesses and Corporations that are accomplices in supporting the criminal Bush regime, and permanently withdraw your dollar from them.

It must be said though that long-term, if an organization is to centralize the movement and operate beyond susceptibility to partisan smears, it MUST NOT BE PARTISAN in it's targets.

This is hard to understand right now, but it's very important for it to be a non-partisan organization.

It's only agenda should be:

Non-cooperation and non-collusion with companies/corporations that instigate, encourage, participate, or in any way condone business influence of government in ANY way whatsoever. This includes electioneering, donations, lobbying, and so on. A federal counsel should be set up to hear the concerns of businesses and consider them in accordance with the Public Good, probably should be an elected counsel to be safe. Advocation and demand that Corporate Personhood be abolished.

Non-cooperation and non-collusion with companies/corporations that instigate, encourage, participate, or in any way condone business anti-trust practices in regard to the Public Good. This includes polluting that can be avoided, Enron economics, attempting to influence political processes and public servants at all levels of government, disregard for public safety, and most importantly, interfering in any way with the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of the public at large. The advocation and demand that Corporations and other business face the threat of dissolution if they should be guilty of knowingly or intentionally disregarding the public good.
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Paxdora Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:55 AM
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31. Private "persons" (corporations)
take the public's money to "buy" their own representatives in Congress. The government of The People is being usurped by a government for "personhood" (corporations).

The people's money is the only, true power that we have. It can and should be used as a weapon to bring the MegaCorpses DOWN and OUT of *our* political process.
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Cinletharwi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 03:23 PM
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33. Some Corps pay a penance in taxes
But almost all of the big ones get Corporate welfare at some point which they turn around and use to open up a facilities abroad, or to study how better to keep us stupid and subjugated.

Money is the only thing they care about, it's their sole purpose, and massive non-cooperation - refusing to spend our money with them - would be the only thing that scares them.

As it stands they are virtually invulnerable to government regulation and accountability. They own the beholden politicians, the government at large, and the media that will most certainly not report any of this.

Our dollars are the only judges and juries we really have, though they convince us through their media that we have a "choice" every 2/4 years.

What kind of choice do we really have if it's always on their terms? Now they control the votes too, just in case we get any ideas about meaningful democracy and mass participation..
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hayduke1 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:59 AM
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23. Here's a nice site
I've actually been researching many of the ideas discussed here recently. I truly believe that our finances are the only voice we actually have. I found this site recently http://www.solari.com/ and it looks promising. Many of the concepts expressed in this thread are similar to the focus of this site.

I think a big first step is to organize a nationwide movement for people to stop subscribing to cable/sat TV, and to do so in a very vocal and noticeable manner. People need to stop watching and start doing.

Let's keep this thread going, for this is how great things begin..
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Cinletharwi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 03:21 AM
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24. Thanks for the Link
I'll bookmark and give it a thorough read.

That's where I find my feelings, that in a capitalist society, one that holds wealth and it's power above all else, our few dollars is the only voice we have.

When organized, we can use it democratically by "voting" against that which we do not wish to see in our world via refusing to cooperate with it's purpose. Since money is the most important thing to these companies/people, they do take notice of cultural trends and movements and most especially one that threatens their purpose and survival. In a way, corporations are similar to the workings of the human Self-Image..

Organizing corporate non-cooperation financially is probably the only way now to make them listen, and punish them for not responding.

I haven't watched Cable/Sat TV since 2000, and have never missed it (though I would like to watch The Daily Show for all the raves Jon gets on here).

Agreed, great things start with clear and true discourse. I'll kick until interest falls off.

Here is my little contribution to the world: http://clearwithin.com (Early development)
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:25 AM
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25. We called today about giving up satellite tv.

My husband called them for info and then asked me if I wanted to cut down to the cheapest service or give it up altogether. I think we should chuck it but don't want to rush the decision. We're really fed up with all the news people, though. We've done without television before, for years at a time. I'd miss LINK TV, especially "Democracy Now," and the Daily Show, couple of things like that.

I'm definitely up for No Christmas Shopping, have done that for years, really.

Withdraw from the evil in society.
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Keirsey Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:54 AM
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26. calling off Christmas


What would be more Christian that urging people to stop making Christmas so commercial by buying so much, and to get back to the "real meaning" of Christmas?

Think how the fundies would look if they objected. :)



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Cinletharwi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 03:33 PM
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34. Christmas is next to meaningless today
It's now just "something we do," something we go through the motions of.

My town was putting up Christmas decorations two days before Halloween.

But for the mainstream, that is the fun of it. The season and the massive spending of money is something we can put on - like a coat - to make us feel all warm.

It's part of the lifestyle sale that Corps have us preoccupied with. Buy this lifestyle, put this on - it will make you feel better and provide meaning.

I'm supposing that's exactly why we spend tons of money for Christmas; it's the only 'meaning' left in it.

Neverminding that Christ wasn't born anywhere near Dec 25.. What "real meaning" could Dec 24/25 have, then?

All of our cultural meanings, rituals, and holidays have been coopted and assimilated and displaced by Corporate meaning trying to make a buck off of it.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:23 AM
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27. As I posted on another thread.....
what took you guys so long? I started this when they stole the last election. Take your money out of your 401K's, mutual funds, etc. and put it in PAX Worldfund. They do NOT invest in any company that is defense related. Stop supporting those little mom and pop businesses that had Bush/Cheney signs out. Stop buying useless shit. I have said over and over again that the only place you can hurt these idiots is in the pocketbook. Get some books on voluntary simplicity and read them.
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Cinletharwi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:43 PM
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35. It has to be a massive, popular, organized movement
Dollars are the only thing they care about; we have to vote with the only power we have left, our dollars.
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wjbill49 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 07:53 AM
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28. Corporations
Ralph Nader+Greens+Progressives+Democrats+?
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Paxdora Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:28 AM
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29. SPITE THE DEVILS! (Memetic Activism!)
"NO NEED...NO GREED"

SPITE THE DEVILS!

SHUN THE CONSUMERIST PLAGUE!

BOYCOTT ALL MONOPOLIES AND THEIR ADVERTISED BRANDS
TO SHOUT YOUR MESSAGE, TO REDIRECT THE DISTRIBUTION
OF *YOUR* MONEY, AND TO BEGIN RESTORING THE BALANCE.

-NEVER BUY MAJOR BRANDS OR "DESIGNER" LABELS
-GET OUT OF THE STOCK MARKET (IF YOU'RE IN IT)
-INVEST ONLY IN SMALL BUSINESSES AND SERVICES
-PROMOTE AND PATRONIZE SMALL BUSINESSES & SHOPS
-BUY ONLY GENERIC, 'NO-NAME' PRODUCTS & SERVICES
-BUY ONLY RECYCLED, USED PRODUCTS/MACHINES/RESOURCES
-PATRONIZE/PROMOTE LOCAL THRIFT SHOPS (OLDIES, BUT GOODIES)
-DONATE USED ITEMS TO LOCAL THRIFT SHOPS (AND TELL OTHERS)
-PATRONIZE LIBRARIES FOR BOOKS MAGS, CDs & VIDEOS
-DONATE BOOKS MAGS, CDs & VIDEOS TO LIBRARIES
-DON'T BUY NEWSPAPERS WHEN YOU CAN GET *ALL* THE NEWS ON THE INTERNET (SAVE PAPER, REDUCE GARBAGE)
-PURCHASE ONLY BASIC NECESSITIES

PRO-PEOPLE ACTIVITY:

-INTRODUCE NOVEL SYSTEMS OF RECIPROCITY TO HELP ALL OF
US KEEP OUR MONEY AWAY FROM THE VAMPIRES IN CONTROL.

-OFFER VOLUNTARY BUS/MINI-VAN SERVICES DURING RUSH HOURS.

-START PERMANENT CAR POOLS WITH NEIGHBORS.

-SHARE NEWSPAPERS, MAGS, CDs & VIDEOS WITH NEIGHBORS.

-PUT UP FLYERS TO ORGANIZE COMMUNITY CO-OPS & SWAP MEETS.

-ENGAGE IN YOUR LOCAL POLITICAL ACTIVITY AND GET RIGHT INTO YOUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES' FACES.

-START KICKING UP THE DUST BY DEMANDING MORE PUBLIC REFERENDUMS AND CITIZENS' FORUMS.

-START CHANGING PEOPLE'S MINDSETS, BECAUSE:
"THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY ARE DOING."

SPITE THE DEVILS!

SPITE IS A POWERFUL, NON-VIOLENT ARMOR OF RESISTANCE
THAT CAN BE EMPLOYED FOR THE PLANETARY GOOD.

JOIN THE RESISTANCE NOW - PUT ON YOUR ARMOR OF SPITE,
BEFORE OUR REMAINING ALTERNATIVES ARE ELIMINATED - FOREVER.

SPITE THE DEVILS -

WE'RE NOT THEIR SERFS OR PRISONERS... YET!

STOP COLLABORATING AND COLLUDING WITH THE ENEMY!

RESIST FEEDING THE IMMORTAL, OMNIPOTENT WEALTH VAMPIRES.
WITHHOLD YOUR *MONEY* FROM THE POWER CLUBS THAT THRIVE
ON YOUR OWN CONSUMERISM - MONEY IS THEIR LIFE BLOOD.

STARVE THE RAMPANT, PATHOLOGICAL PROFIT VIRUS THAT IS
RULING, CONTAMINATING, AND CONSUMING ALL LIFE ON OUR PLANET.

CREATE NEW OPENINGS FOR CONSCIENTIOUS ALTERNATIVES.

SPITE THE DEVILS - SHUN THEM, AND STARVE THEM!


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Paxdora Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:35 AM
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30. Keep this thread kicked -
This idea should be in the forefront of progressive thinking - what we do with our own money is the ONLY power we really have!
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hayduke1 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 11:54 AM
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32. Kick
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aneerkoinos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:59 PM
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36. Thinking further
Co-ops, local currencies, networking from bottom up, Internet power... (yep, google those! they are nothing new, but age old thing tried and proven many times) ... basically sharing and exchanging your skills, local products and caring.

Now what was the slogan? Drop out, tune in!
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Cinletharwi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 07:51 PM
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37. Evening kick
:kick:
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:07 PM
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40. What about a bartering site?
Skills/energy for trade? UK already has alternatives to corporate credit cards, banking and UPS type shipping.

Can start there for ideas? It was linked in one of the threads on alternatives.
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Cinletharwi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 11:35 PM
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41. How about something like Campaign Underground here on DU
How about starting something like Campaign Underground for this movement, where everyone pitches in the names of Corporations/businesses/websites they know are 'bad' and ones that are 'good'. As well, providing information like you suggested, about alternative living.

Basically, we could build up a database of aggregated information/websites/media on living without the products and services from specific Corporations that harm our society and political processes.

It wouldn't even require changing lifestyle right away (too hard to maintain, must be gradual), but merely sending "ALERT!"s - as a start - to those who participate/sign up about Corps which are found doing something detrimental. Then everyone could refuse to do business with that company (build a list of their products/subsidiaries/etc), signing a pledge even, and then sending that pledge to the company laying out exactly why we are refusing to cooperate with that Corp.

If it turned into a popular movement, Corporations would be forced to pay attention, and eventually change, because their bottom-line could fall out overnight.
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Cinletharwi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:39 AM
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42. Centralized Thread for DU on these issues:
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:53 AM
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43. what about letting them know you won't be shopping there?
i believe letting the top people know why you won't be spending money with them -- they contributed to bush, they outource their jobs, etc. -- sticks in their craw, too.

and not via email. that's way too easy to click through and be done with. nothing gets someone's attention like a real live, hand addressed envelope landing on their desk.

if they get one, they dismiss you as a crank. if they get one hundred, they know they're going to be hurting.

sign your name if you like, or sign it "concerned consumer," "concerned former consumer," "someone who still cares about this country." whatever.

and we don't need to take this to the whorish media. we have the internets. well, for a while. let it become a story when corporate america goes to the media whining about falling profits.

if you can't beat 'em, screw 'em.

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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:58 AM
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44. its hard
you cant boycott every corporation... What you have to do is pick the worst, start there. Boycott just them, then move on to the next from there.
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