If I hear one more word about how they won because of "moral issues"

[kayell]

I'm going to EXPLODE :nuke:

What the fuck is moral about hatred and bigotry???

And if I hear one more word from someone saying "I don't have anything against homosexuals, but they made their choice, and gawd never meant for marriage to be anything but between a man and a woman" I may lose it completely.

I feel like I'm getting dangerously close to the edge.

[ClassWarrior]

1. The "moral vote" was based on exit poll statistics.

Yet, they say the exit polls were wrong about Kerry.

NGU.

[kayell]

5. And why is no one calling them on their idea that bigotry is moral?

Everyone, especially the so called liberal media just keeps parroting that they won on "moral issues", endlessly spouting the republican definition of those words as though hatred of gays and lesbians is in the dictionary under the word morality.

[ClassWarrior]

9. Because the word "moral" has been co-opted by the Radical RW...

...to mean abortion and gay sex. We need to learn to co-opt words to frame the debate. Read George Lakoff's "Don't Think of an Elephant." He explains it much better than I can here.

NGU.

[Not Me]

2. As I said in an earlier post...

they won because Bush and Rove succeeded at dividing America.

[ClassWarrior]

4. They won because of voter fraud...

...but I don't think they've succeeded yet.

NGU.

[Hello_Kitty]

3. Or "They should keep it to themselves"

[kayell]

8. ARGGGH! That's another one.

"Why I know a couple of perfectly nice gays, and you have to admit they are just wonderful decorators. And what they have done in fixing up the historic district homes - well, just wonderful taste. But I just can't hold with these people trying to demand more than is right. People should know their place in society."

/channeling "nice" white southern "lady"

[eternalburn]

6. It's funny (not ha ha)....

I would like to just start walking up to people and ask:

"What kind of sex do you have?"

...and see how many of these "moral" people respond:

"None of your business!"


Exactly :)

[cvoogt]

7. Bible = Constitution

somehow they manage to turn Christ's example into bigotry and hatred. Now they will legislate this "morality" and impose these religious "values" on the rest of the country. Oh sure, there's supposed to be separation of church and state ... separation between the Roman Catholic church and the state, that is, not between evangelical churchES and the state! The same people who claim to to interpret the Bible literally and want "non-activist judges" to "not legislate from the bench" also outright ignore that this country was founded on separation of church and state while also being inspired by Judeo-Christian values, BUT filtered through the Englightenment. Furthermore, according to this fundamentalist mindset the Constitution is GOOD when it lets you keep your AK47, but when it means you can't impose your values on others it's BAD. There are hypocrites in both parties and every corner of this earth, but this country is heading into a combination of "This Perfect Day" (Ira Levin) and "Player Piano" (Kurt Vonnegut). You could throw in Stepford Wives too.

[Iris]

11. Yeah, but they like the Catholics when they want their "anti-abortion"

vote, don't they?

[cvoogt]

13. as long as they leave Rome out of it ....

cause that's Old Europe even though their govt officially supports us in Iraq. It's cynical exploitation of personal beliefs. More innocent people and eventually draftees will die because people in the "Heartland" apparently are obsessed with other people's sexual orientations and want to impose their morality on the librul 'merkin media. But what the hey, as a C-SPAN caller from Columbus GA said, "Dubya's a godly man, a moral man." There, doesn't that make it all better? With the opium of the masses they can overcome insurmountable facts. I am NOT referring to all religion here, just the exploitation of its external forms and organizations. Religion can be a very positive thing for individuals and society but there used to be this thing called separation of church and state. I remember reading about it somewhere.

[Iris]

19. "godly man, moral man" - they all say it the same way.

I wonder if they even know what those words mean or if they simply are repeating them like they repeat the Pledge of Allegiance or the Lord's Prayer?

[OneBlueSky]

10. they won because they stole it . . .

moral issues is just the cover story . . .

[noiretextatique]

15. right...the cover story, so all the bigots can feel proud

about voting for the fascists even they know they shouldn't be voting for anyway. thsi way, when the election is contested, they will be even more full of outrage...faux moral outrage, that is.

i was on another discussion board with some bushbots last night, and none of them could articulate a coherent reason for voting for bush. it's pathetic, truly

[kayell]

17. I agree, and it gives them cover for the idea that the majority have

"democratically" elected to oppress the minority. Not to mention installing a theocracy.

[readmylips]

12. They love war, so it must be a religious moral....

War Good, Blessed by God.

[ikojo]

14. What is moral about sitting by while more families

slip into poverty in the richest nation on earth?

What is moral about corporate tax breaks?

What is moral about tax breaks for the wealthy?

What is moral about invading a sovereign nation with no provocation on that nation's part?

What is moral about people being forced to choose between needed medicine or food?

What is moral about corporate corruption and the pillaging of pension plans by corporate executives?

[jmags]

16. Remember this bible passage, when you hear

how "moral values" influenced the election

Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of
righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and
falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

[kayell]

18. I think the sermon on the mount was edited out of the new fundie bible,

not that they ever seem to read the NT anyway.

I'm not to interested in being blessed by persecution anyway. Masochism is definitly not my thing.

[Only Me]

20. We lost this election because of FEAR of moral issues and FEAR of National

security, FEAR and LIEs thats what they sold to the public.

NOW they are selling to US that we need to reform our party.. and as one guy said..."break up, form a third party or what ever they want to do." REPUGS WOULD LOVE FOR US TO BE LESS POWERFUl they would love it if the members of this party just went away.

We should have waited till we had our people seated in office before we gave the repugs ammunition to win this election. We shouldn't have chosen a shaky election year to ask for things we knew the general voting public was having problems excepting.. We didn't use our heads on those issues. We must learn from this and use these next four years to strengthen our outreach not alienate our members or the public we must bring them around to our side over time.

Just my humble opinion.

[TexasSissy]

21. Being against gay marriage doesn't make that person

one of hatred or bigotry.

We'll never get their vote, if you cont. w/that vein. Try to see it from mom & pop in Peoria's side. They're not saying they want anything bad to happen to gays. They just cannot accept the same gender marrying each other. Not hard to understand. Never been done before in this country (until this election year). They've probably never even met a gay person, never seen one (that they know of), except what they've seen on TV. To them, it's an unnatural state, if they're not overly religious. To the religious, it's a sin, and you will never change their minds on that.

They didn't make this an issue. The gay activists made this an issue, and they merely responded to it.

Want to do something about it? You will need votes from the heartland of America, so come up with some ideas to change the minds and hearts of middle America about gay marriage. To do that, you will first need to try to see it from their point of view, and then work to show them it's to their advantage to be on your side, or that it's a non-issue for them compared to other issues.