Should I stay in America? Why or why not?

[coloradodem2005]

I fought for the future of this country. We lost the fight. Many on this board do not hold a lot of hope for 2006 and 2008. While the thing about democracy is that we all have to put up with each other's junk, what has gone on and what will go on is beyond the pale. I feel like I should leave for Canada.

[eleny]

1. Somebody has to help take a hammer to the e-vote machines

You don't really want to miss that party, do you Truthseeker?

[coloradodem2005]

2. Is anybody going to take the hammer to the e-vote machines?

Or in a proverbial sense, to any other machines. I thought we were going to this year. But that didn't happen.

[eleny]

6. We're going to be working very hard to get that paper trail

And that's worth sticking around for. Maybe what those bastards have in money, we can match in sweat.

[sugargoose]

3. The Prime Minister Said Not to seek refuge in Canada

This was reported on CNN Headline News, Said my S.O.

[Maple]

10. Unhappy U.S. Democrats welcome in Canada, PM jokes

Unhappy U.S. Democrats welcome in Canada, Martin jokes

OTTAWA (CP) - Americans can't quite qualify for refugee status but they're more than welcome to move here if they're unhappy about the U.S. election result, Prime Minister Paul Martin joked Thursday.

He was responding to reports from south of the border that some Americans want to move north rather than put up with more George W. Bush.

http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041104/CPN/24797019

[mmonk]

4. I've had the same feeling

but I know my family doesn't want to be uprooted. I will fight but be cautious and maybe create a backdoor to Canada or the British Virgin Islands by buying some property. While one doesn't want to be the one that didn't leave in Germany in time (manner of speech), I don't want to leave my home either. So, I'll just try to stay observant of things while I try to fight back in some manner.

[ktowntennesseedem]

26. I'm staying around and fighting, but just in case...

The idea of pulling up roots and making a new start in a "new world" is very intriguing. I can't imagine leaving any time soon, and certainly do not want to give in to all my mixed emotions with some half-assed knee-jerk reaction that I'll regret later. But just the idea gives me hope, and reminds me that no matter what happens I still have other options. If the situation ever gets too far out of control, dreaming about leaving now will make it easier if it becomes necessary.

To everything there is a season: a time to stand firm and fight for what you believe, and a time to leave and shake the dust off of your feet.

[Abelman]

5. Don't go

Move to a blue state. Maybe a strong blue state, or a strong Democratic area within a weaker blue state.

The success of this would be twofold:

1) You'd be able to help elect progressives to local and state positions.

2) The more people in a state, the more Electoral clout.

[eleny]

7. He already is in Colorado!

Where our legislature is now majority Dem!

[gcomeau]

15. No, move to a swing state...

...and MAKE it a blue state.

-Grant

[sandnsea]

8. You're young, right?

If I recall correctly. Go. If you plan to have a family, there's better places to raise your kids than here. Healthy, tolerant, emotionally stable kids. Struggling through life in this country sucks and I think it's going to get alot worse. If you're up to starting over in another country, I think you should seriously consider it.

[Minstrel Boy]

9. How many German Jews said "How bad can it get?"

It got pretty bad.

I don't know how bad it will get in the US, but I'm fairly certain things will worsen.

If you decide to leave I hope Canada welcomes you, and DUers who remain respect your choice.

[Nordic]

21. dude, that's what I keep thinking!

I see nothing but darkness ahead for this country.

Trouble is, it will engulf the world.

[Ready4Change]

11. I believe in fighting for your country, in all senses of the words.

So I'm likely to stay here even if it all goes to hell in a hand basket. However, if one is a member of a group likely to be scapegoated, as the Jews were in WWII Germany, this might be the time to get out of Dodge.

For example, in my opinion, the 11 states which passed anti-gay measures, pardon me, "Protection of Marriage" measures, sent a message that the New Right has identified at least one of THEIR scapegoat groups. So, I can't fault anyone from the G/L/B/T commmunity who decide to leave.

OTOH, I'll also be honored to fight alongside anyone who chooses to stay. We can use your numbers. Hopefully this will stay a battle of words and ideas, and we'll all find better days down the road.

Take care, friends.

[darthmix]

12. We don't really need to lose any intelligent voters.

Stay, if only for that reason.

[sweetheart]

13. Trust your intuition

If it just comes to you that you should leave the country, but
not really a very strong feeling, and you forget about it, then
probably, your intuition is not speaking.

If you keep finding yourself returning to that concern, and even when
you push it out of your mind, it comes back... then your intution is
speaking to you, and you should listen.

Some people are set up to survive the decline of the USA. They have
jobs that are working out, and are in a position to say things like,
"I'm never leaving... stand and fight." Then there are other folks,
who keep getting laid off lower and lower paying jobs, almost
homeless, who are at deep risk.

You're in a high risk group if you are:
Gay
A single woman
Elderly without bux
Not white
not christian-nutter

Any of those subsets of people should deeply consider their options.

America is a white fundamentalist male's dictatorship, and has no
room for anyone else who has a different lifestyle... and this will
only get worse for decades to come.

AS well, those who are thinking of having children really should
consider what sort of place their planning to raise them, and what
the long term results of that will be.

In the end, follow the wisdom of your inner most heart. Make a
deep prayer to your innermost soul to guide you wisely and listen
to what intution says.

[coloradodem2005]

14. Thankfully, I am not any of those groups.

Except maybe the last one. Though, I am not quite sure what not Christian nutter means.

No offense to people who are in those groups. It may just make my life easier, being young, male, white and straight.

[Prodemsouth]

18. Don't get to comfortable young un- they just might be able to use you in

Iraq.

[coloradodem2005]

19. I am 25.

I am getting too old to be drafted. But still.

[Prodemsouth]

24. underscore "getting" things can happen real fast.

n/t

[sweetheart]

25. Those groups

I realized i left some out:

Disabled person
Veteran

I mean by christain nutter, the sorts of unreasoning people who will
mass murder 10's of thousands of people with bombs and then claim to
want to protect life. In a less derogatory word: incongruent
christians... people who claim to be christian, who endorse a way
of living that would have murdered christ were he alive today.
People who claim that because they read it in a highly edited book,
that gay people are unnatural because of the story of saddam and
ghumoorah, and therefore, they should kill those people or send them
to sexual reeducation camps lest the whole country be torched by
the wrath of god. People who have no understanding of christianity
whatsoever, and are a blight to the very word. In a polite british
speak, such person would be a nutter... or a festering heap of
parrot droppings.. ;-)

The word christian, implies that one walks with Jesus, and has him
at the core of their moment-by-moment life, by the example of his
compassion, his intolerance of corruption, hatred, and persecution of
those meek and downtrodden. It would make jesus a liberal, and any
serious christian a liberal as well.

That, like all other words, "Christian" has been hyjakked by the
puke doublespeak does not suprise in the least.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

16. Still trying to work this issue out for myself. Seriously.

[JCMach1]

17. I am already 'out' and will only visit the US to visit family

I only resent the fact I will have to continue paying into the PONZI scheme that Social Security will become.

[vajraroshana]

20. Please don't leave

We need you!

You are welcome here even if it doesn't feel like it. And I'm in Alabama. Colorado sounds like heaven, especially Boulder. I almost moved to Durango a few years back, sometimes I wish I would have.

[coloradodem2005]

22. I have another set of problems with Boulder.

THe thing about Boulder is that I have gotten to the point having gone to college up there is that many people there are stuck up. And especially with what happened with Jonbenet, it is not all its cracked up to be. Sorry, but those are my feelings about Boulder. It is a hoity toity place. Probably better than Alabama though.


THe other thing is, who am I welcome in America by? Who welcomes me in this country? I feel like the last few years have taken their toll on me. I wonder what I should do.

[Robeson]

23. Honestly, if I could afford it, I'd be gone tomorrow...

...and would never look back.