WE WERE FUCKING SCREWED!!!! I'VE NEVER BEEN THIS ANGRY!!

[requiem99]

Guys, I am a Buddhist, and my practise of it dictates how I should deal with anger, but when I saw these numbers and how blatant it was we were just fucked in the ass by these electronic voting systems and Diebold, I felt a white hot rage build inside me I had never experienced before. Read on, and you may feel the same.

Here are some basic Florida election calcs, provided with sources at the bottom:

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

In order to believe that these numbers are legit you have to believe that in Calhoun county for example, which has 11.9% registered Republicans and 82.4% registered Democrats, voted in favor of Bush 3,780 to Kerry's 2,116.

To put that number more clearly for you, those numbers assume that even if every single one of the 994 registered Republicans (based on the 11.9 percent number) turned out AND voted for Bush (100 percent party loyalty and 100 percent turnout rate), 2,786 democrats crossed party lines and voted for Bush, and considering John Kerry only got 2,116 votes, that means he only got 43.2 percent of the Democratic vote. FOURTY THREE PERCENT. And that means the other 57 percent voted for Bush (minus 0.5 for Nader/Others).

Do any of you buy that for one single second? Now, I know Independents are left out of this graph, but lets give George Bush the benefit of the doubt and assume that he carried the Independent chunk of the vote (20 percent or so at most) by 100 percent, EVERY SINGLE VOTE. In the county we just talked about that STILL would not get him NEARLY the vote he got, and that would mean Democrats turned out at about 35 percent to vote for Kerry. NOT. POSSIBLE. AND THESE NUMBERS ARE REPEATED ACROSS THE BOARD!

WE MUST GET THIS INFORMATION OUT, WHATEVER IT TAKES.

KEEP THIS KICKED, MIRROR THAT PAGE AND THE FLORIDA ELECTION RESULT PAGES BECAUSE AFTER TONITE, YOU CAN BET THEY WILL BE ALTERED AGAIN.

I'M NEVER SHUTTING UP UNTIL WE GET JUSTICE OR I AM PROVEN WRONG, BUT I WON'T BE.

Lets get on this people, I'll be up all night, I want to see opinions, analysis, and if you come to the same conclusion as I did, its time for us to get seriously, seriously angry, and fast. We better move like we've never moved before, because our country may be weeks away from it being too late for us to ever stop what is coming.

[Algorem]

1. I would like to know why churches are used as vote locations.And how

the#'s from church- and non-church locations compare.(changed from silly "have you never been mellow?" reply)

[requiem99]

5. Sadly I have been, but the last few months have awakened a fire.

[eleonora]

18. same question I was asking myself!!!!

I'll never understand!!

[gauguin57]

38. I was just talking about that tonight with a friend. I pollwatched at

a church hall, with all kinds of religious literature just barely hidden behind the sample ballots on the wall.

Churches and parochial schools should NOT be public polling places, PERIOD. Church and state. Separate.

[realisticphish]

48. i can see the concern

but its been like that for decades...and no problem. its just these last two pres elections. but, for all i know, they might have suddenly become corrupt :shrug:


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[The Flaming Red Head]

56. I hate voting at churches

I never understood that.

[rockydem]

2. The thing is I don't know where those numbers come from

[walldude]

6. There are links to the sources at the bottom of the page

[walldude]

3. Damn.. there's alot of counties on that list like that...

5000 here 8000 there...

[JusticeForAll]

4. I nominated your thread

Are you posting in the right forum?

I share your pain and feel sympathy for you. I will continue to fight the fight, too.

[aquart]

7. This is a stage of grief.

Be careful when you crash into depression.

[UNIXcock]

8. Take care of yourself first, you're no good if stressed too much ...

... but I just don't see the "fraudulent voting" issue getting very far at all. Mark my words (please don't shoot the messenger), every day that passes is another day further into * second term. It's best for us to move forward from a position of strength, in contrast to a defensive posture that majority of Americans will view as merely sour grapes.

[SammyWinstonJack]

13. IOW?

"GET OVER IT" :eyes:

[requiem99]

14. Hear me clear and hear me well: We do not HAVE a position of strength

as long as this fraud continues.

[UNIXcock]

19. Understand, this is how it's viewed by the average American

... do I believe a thorough investigation should be conducted? - Absolutely! But it should not, and must not be the foundation of our platform. Period!

[requiem99]

27. I do not know what you're talking about. This is a black and white issue.

Fraud happened, it needs to be brought to light, exposed, and corrected. PERIOD. Even if Kerry still loses the vote after we correct the fraud, WE MUST CORRECT THE FRUAD. EVERY VOTE COUNTS.

[in_cog_ni_to]

57. BULLSHIT! It most certainly SHOULD BE the foundation

of our platform! If we let this go, we will never get rid of these machines and we will never win another election. PERIOD! The chimp is ILLIGITIMATE! He did not win. He should not be in the WH. He should not be allowed to continue destroying the world to bring on their Rapture. This should be THE issue until those machine are taken out of our election process. PERIOD!

[UNIXcock]

58. I feel your pain, but I'm just predicting you'll only ...

... strain your vocal chords, and wear out your will on something that will never come to fruition. As I said, look at what is going on - EVERY fricking day that loser is in the White House is another day cutting away at his next four-year tenure. :puke:

... My plan is to strengthen the Democratic base in Arizona with positive fundamentals so we can switch it from red to blue next time around!

[AndyTiedye]

31. DEMS ARE DOOMED Unless We Stop the Election Fraud!

WE WILL NEVER WIN ANOTHER ELECTION they way they have things rigged now!

We could have run Jesus Christ himself and he would have lost.

[requiem99]

32. I agree, we MUST STOP this election fraud.

[DELUSIONAL]

40. "We could have run Jesus Christ himself and he would have lost"

Now put that on a t-shirt.

The fraud is the issue -- we must get the votes counted and END the election fraud.

[AndyTiedye]

47. I may just do that.

On the other side:


"committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes for the president"
Walden O'Dell, CEO

(and DARE them to come after me for using their trademark!)

[Catfight]

60. That's true, if jesus was a dem, he would have lost. In fact, if only

1 dem was on the ticket, the write in would have won. But we didn't put our resources in demanding honest voting to begin with, so the only way to end this nightmare is to scrap the whole constitution and have a national convention!

We have a responsibility to revolt when our government has become corrupt and we haven't even done that yet...it's time people.

Nothing to live for and nothing to die for, democracy is dead.

[blurp]

9. Whoa. Factor in independent voters. Not everyone is Dem or Repub

So its possible that many of those Repub votes were from independents and not Dems.

Feel better? :P

[requiem99]

12. Inds are factored later, read it all.

[blurp]

20. Yeah, you're right.

[carols]

10. kick

n/t
Carol

[napi21]

11. I agree with you! I just don't know how you can prove it

if you can't retreive any data. There is one group, Citizens for Legitimate Government, that has issued a Freedon of Information request for the inside info on the evoting machines. I joined their group on Yahoo to see if I can help.

We all need to do the same to keep this investigation going. I know there are tech people who can tear the programs apart and find out the truth.

[requiem99]

16. ALL the data we need is right here!

We have the registrants data figures and we have the final vote tally figures, these counties did not ALL follow a wide trend and vote against their party. Its not possible, exit polls showed nothing of the kind nor did pre-election polls, and at the VERY LEAST it is front page newsworthy. We need to blast it, hard, fast, and furiously.

[napi21]

29. I understand, but that doesn't prove anything!

Please try to take emotion out of this and look at what you really need to PROVE what actually happened. Logic doesn't necessarily work in court! The opposition would just say you aren't accepting just how popular this shrub guy is!

I don't think all those dems voted for shrub either, but what you and I think simply dosn't matter. We have to get professional techies to get inside the machines and check the actual programs. It can be done! The Citizens For Legitimate Government group has file the request for this information already under the Freedon of Information Act. That's the kind of action we need to take.

[requiem99]

30. No, this isn't proof that will convict in court, but its more than enough

to start an investigation around. Its VERY VERY suspicious.

[bettyellen]

22. TKS FOR THE UPDATE !!

[geomon666]

15. So let me get this straight

Not a single Dem voted for Kerry in Nassau? Yeah fucking right.

[bettyellen]

17. KICKED BOOKMAKED, ETC

:kick:

[requiem99]

21. Guys, 5 MINUTES with someone from the Kerry campaign and i could

have them ready to litigate, assuming they ARE ready to stand up to electoral fraud. Who can I call at either the Kerry campaign or the DNC that will listen to me, I WILL CALL.

[WINEWOMAN7]

64. Chris Heinz

Can you PM Chris Heinz? He posts here.

Dian

[ochazuke]

23. Alert the media

Can you get this to Molly Ivins? She said that the officials in Florida had as much as announced that they were going to steal the election for Bush. Also, someone like Al Franken who has a staff of researchers should get on this. And what about Gregg Palast? We start with the Liberal media and then, armed with facts, push the story into the mainstream media.

[requiem99]

25. It needs to be faster than that, we can't let Bush gain legitimacy.

This was stolen, we have EVIDENCE, we demand JUSTICE. This IS America after all, a free country, at least for a while!

[ochazuke]

34. Don't go off half-cocked

I don't know what evidence there is, but it needs to be presented cogently, and in a way that will stand up to scrutiny and criticism, and by someone who can in turn get the story into the mainstream press.

Bloggers supposedly brought down the AWOL documents, but did thy really? And the enemy this time isn't a few reporters, it's the government.

[requiem99]

37. We can't present the case to the media, we can only start them on the path

And hope they do their job. Some will, some won't, but if we can convince one relevant media outlet to pick this up, more will follow.

This is huge if we can get it out.

[Oilwellian]

24. Thank you Requiem

You did this far more justice than I was able to do. There's no way 70-80% of the Dems in these Florida counties voted for Bush.

[requiem99]

26. Thank you Oaf if you were the original poster.

Thanks, we will bring the truth forward.

[requiem99]

28. Kick.

[Oddman]

33. Has somebody sent this to the networks and the Kerry campaign?

And to Michael Moore?

[requiem99]

35. We Here is an easy cut/paste you can use - BLAST TO MEDIA!

To whom it may concern:

Shocking figures have been uncovered relating to Florida's 2004 election process. You can view them here, and note the methodology and sources at the bottom of the page:

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

Now, in order to believe that these numbers are how people really voted, you have to believe that in Calhoun county, using one county as an example, which has 11.9% registered Republicans and 82.4% registered Democrats, voted in favor of Bush 3,780 to Kerry's 2,116.

To put that number more clearly, those numbers assume that even if every single one of the 994 registered Republicans (based on the 11.9 percent number) turned out AND voted for Bush (100 percent party loyalty and 100 percent turnout rate), 2,786 democrats crossed party lines and voted for Bush, and considering John Kerry only got 2,116 votes, that means he only got 43.2 percent of the Democratic vote. Yes, 43 percent. And that means the other 57 percent voted for Bush (minus 0.5 for Nader/Others).

Now, I know Independents are left out of this graph, but lets give George Bush the benefit of the doubt and assume that he carried the Independent chunk of the vote (20-23 percent in most counties) by 100 percent. Every single vote. In the county we just talked about that still would not get him nearly the vote he got, and that would mean Democrats turned out at about 35 percent to vote for Kerry.

NOT. POSSIBLE. And these numbers repeat across the board.

I trust you to investigate this growing scandal for the good of the United States of America.

A concerned American,

[Bongo Prophet]

49. Fishy fishy fishy.

SO many Dems went for Bush.
Love his manly virtue, right....
Stood in looong lines to vote for Bush.

Just look at these numbers.
It's all in the counting, in the op-scans.

If you live in e-vote, you don't love the Bush as much?
Counter intuitive, and tricky.
Tricky tricky tricky.

[InvisibleTouch]

46. Tried to e-mail Michael Moore...

Message bounced back. Same with Howard Dean's contact page on his web site.... :/ Those are my only bouncebacks so far, though.

[LibDemAlways]

36. Amazing how blatent this is.

Fraud on a massive scale, and so far Dems are letting it go. We need to get Jimmy Carter involved. He knows a thing or two about crooked elections, and this cannot stand.

[Erika]

39. Bush Ows His Christian Taliban

big time. He simply could care less about the rest.

I hope all of you, if only in silence, will show up in black at the inauguaration of any Republican, to show your disapproval.

[springhill]

44. I did a little math......

Very little really. But if you subtract the difference between the republican votes and the democratic votes ONLY in the counties where there were more registered democratic voters you come up with approximately 210,000 votes. Now, you take 200,000 away from Bush and give them to Kerry, and he wins the state. Now, this does not take into account independent voters who may have voted for one or the other, however, we also don't know how many more votes above that difference that Kerry, in most cases, you would have expected him to receive. Also, there were counties where the number of registered voters was comparable, but the vote was heavily skewed to the republican vote. Those I didn't even put in my totals.

[oasis]

41. kick

[vajraroshana]

42. I am Buddhist too, requiem99, and have almost lost my vows

Almost lost them. There are three levels of vows I've taken, pratimoksha, bodhisattva, vajrayana samaya-s, and I've come close to breaking them in my anger. The forgiving part about the latter two classes is that they're more easily restored.

I want to go and hide away; and I probably will for a while.

But I'm not going to let these events eat at the core of my values and my vows.

I may have to spend more time on equanimity meditation especially as laid out in the Vishuddhimagga of Buddhaghosa. The chapter in the Vishuddhimagga (English language translation: The Path of Purification) on the four Brahma Viharas (The Divine Abidings aka the Four Boundless States) is excellent. It might be useful to do a class with someone on these. They usually start with meditation on metta or loving-kindness. If you already have some familiarity and experience you may just want to use the text. Right now for me I don't really want to be part of a group, because I'm afraid my very bad vibes might be disruptive, and I'll just go off if I come across some right-wing buddhist (they are out there).

But definitely the equanimity meditation is helpful, healing and wise, though the Theravadin approach is slow and methodical (and very effective) and usually starts with loving-kindness (metta bhavana).

The Vajrayana (aka Tibetan Buddhism) is the quick path and can take your anger and turn it immediately into wisdom-clarity (so they say, but it's also a long path of preliminaries before you get there). But you can sometimes find teachers that are giving Wrathful Deity empowerments to those that have already taken refuge.

Might I suggest Vajrakilaya if you're inclined to attempt transmuting your egoic anger energy into pure unadulterated wisdom-clarity; sometimes teachers give that empowerment even at the beginning when there's a lot of negativity from anger and the spiritual pollution of anger ("external" and "internal", though its viewpoint is nondual). Here's one nice thanka (artistic representation of the visualization employed in meditation) of Vajrakilaya: http://www.himalayanart.org/image.cfm/1079.html
There's many others online as well. Do be careful about which teacher you take empowerment from!

May all beings be happy and well (even republicans!)

[requiem99]

43. I'm new to it, less than a year so far, so I'm still sort of 'wild'

I'm not sure which path of Buddhism I'm taking, I'm still exploring them all, but the underlying concepts are definitely here with me to stay. Practising them can be difficult, but since I've taken them up I've found myself a better person and more aware of my actions.

[vajraroshana]

45. definitely take up the "four boundless"

That's loving-kindness, compassion, gladness (aka sympathetic joy), and equanimity.

I think they can be safely practiced on one's own without a teacher, though some would argue differently. There are some excellent websites with detailed meditation instructions. You just have to look around to find something that has the language that feels right. Some of them can be very scholarly (that Vishuddhimagga book I mentioned might be too off-putting because it was written around 5th century? i think, so pretty archaic language).

Google "loving-kindness meditation", and/or "four brahma viharas"; that should put you in touch with the tradition of these foundational meditations.

You've probably already heard of them requiem99, but some reading this thread may not have and may want to look into them.

The cool thing about these meditations is that they aren't even really particularly buddhist, at least in any "belief" sort of way, just a way of focusing your mind on certain qualities that are positive and in the mind of everyone at least some of the time anyway. "Loving-kindness" meditation can quickly heal anger and has been shown to lower blood pressure and even one study I heard of showed that it can somewhat reverse arterial blockages (or reduce the inflammation in clogged arteries or something like that; I can't remember, I guess it doesn't help with memory! ;) )

[requiem99]

50. More information coming in.

Liberty county, in 2000 Bush won Liberty county by about a 25 percent margin, 1,317 to 1,017

This week the official tally claims he won it by almost a 100 percent magin, 1,927 to 1,070. Did Bush somehow gain nearly 50 percent more support in this county while Kerry barely held onto Gore's support, despite the failings of the Bush administration and Kerry's inherent stronger campaign and candidacy than Gore? Keep in mind Liberty county is 88 percent registered Democrat vs 8 percent Republican, and they didn't vote by party in 2000 unless IT was rigged, too. I cannot find results for this county for 1996, someone help me out?

[SmokingJacket]

51. This is the Big Lie

It's harder to believe a small lie ("I did NOt have sex with tha...") than it is to believe a big one. Hitler said that. Actually what he said was...

"...in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."

But because people are unwilling to believe this doesn't mean we can let it go. Starting with the Florida numbers is a good idea, but the fraud ia much, much bigger...

[requiem99]

52. People ARE unwilling to believe it, thats one reason we need to push hard.

When we finally break it into their heads that this sort of electoral fraud is not only possible, its been happening for at LEAST the last 2 elections, we'll finally get some debate going on what is going wrong in the country, and get a handle on what we need to do to fix it.

The old AA saying holds true: "Admitting you have a problem is the first step to solving it."

[Disturbed]

53. I will not accept this man and his..

Fascists as leaders of this country.



Kerry and the Dem Party are weaklings that have allowed the Fascist to usurpe power and take over Amerika with the aid of the Multi-corps and most of the Mass Media. I hope that someone with courage that has power will stand against this second coup.

[requiem99]

54. Bedtime for me, please keep this kicked everyone.

I cannot sleep well, but I must try to sleep. I hope this story gets legs, because the darkness is about to descend on America like never before if we don't bring this to light.

[GreenPartyVoter]

55. Feel free to use my site as a jump-off point for

your letter and email writing campaign. :)

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FIGHT! Take this country back one town and state at a time!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm

[Justice Freedom]

62. So it did take place...

I knew there was to be mass scale fraud during this election, and though It pained me to know so... I believed that this time they'd get caught, that this time, it'd be made public. I just hope it can be brought to light... If it can't be, I fear for the future of this country.

[GreenPartyVoter]

65. Welcome to DU. Lots of folks are working to expose the fraud. You

can be one of them!

-----------------------------------------------------------
FIGHT! Take this country back one town and state at a time!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm

[Catfight]

59. I can't hear you over the propaganda machine of the right wing Bush

TV and Radio. Sorry.

[leftchick]

61. Contacts for Congressman Robert Wexler of Florida.....

Congressman Robert Wexler: Tel: [phone] Fax: [phone]

I am still searching for an email address. He has been after these BBV machines for over a year now. Perhaps this just might piss him off enough to demand congressional action??

on edit: his E-Mail.... http://www.wexler.house.gov/emailform.htm

[leftchick]

63. kick

:kick:

[bigtree]

66. were on the move

blasting . . .

[alpaca]

67. Kick

[Robeson]

68. kick

[Skinner]

69. I'm locking this.

We do not need this type of thread title on DU right now.