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Bullshot Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:11 AM
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Overturning Roe v. Wade will not end abortions.
The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops released a flyer that noted that abortions declined during the 1990s (Bill Clinton years), but have increased since 2000 (George Bush years).

This tells me that the number of abortions is affected by social and economic factors such as income and access to health care.

Tell that to the fundies who campaigned on Bush's behalf on Roe v. Wade alone.
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RazzleCat Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:17 AM
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1. and sex education, and access to birth control
don't forget Texas is into the abstinence only sex ed. and that we have made it harder for young women to have access and information about birth control. Its all "Family Values"
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:18 AM
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2. Of course it won't. But, it might lead to more effective contraceptive
measures. They will attack that as well but will find it more difficult to stop as contraceptive technology becomes increasingly
convenient and effective.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:59 AM
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13. What's preventing that from happening now?
Re-criminalizing abortion would be about as successful as prohibition was.

The true agenda of the right-to-lifers is limiting other people's sexuality.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:17 AM
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14. Because abortion is so easy to obtain, too many are using
it as a form of birth control. I don't support the statutory prohibition of abortion but I do think that men and women should take extraordinary precautions to prevent unwanted pregnancy.

I believe that if 100% of all pregnancies were planned and wanted, it would bring about extraordinary psychological or emotional results for both the parents and the children. Every child would be raised in an environment that would welcoming as opposed to the "Ugh, Oh, we're pregnant again. Oh well, let's have another on anyway".

Some years ago there was some media discussion about reversible vasectomies. I've heard nothing about it in years. But in principle, think about the ramifications of such a simple and universal form of contraception. All young males would be given a free reversible vasectomy if they so desired. The procedure could be switch off-on at will by a simple, out patient procedure that could be done by a registered nurse. That system or something else as effective would avoid all of the talk about abortion. The only snag then would be the people who oppose sexual intercourse that has any purposes other than procreation. (What a shallow view of sex. Don't they understand the
spiritual potentials of caring sex? I think church officials oppose
sex because it may have the potential of leading the sheep for the
church's control.)
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:18 AM
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3. Of course it won't.
Any more than Prohibition ended sales of alcohol, or the drug laws have ended the availability of heroin and cocaine.
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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:18 AM
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4. Yes, I am very scared to see my right to choose disappear
It makes me so angry.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:22 AM
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5. If abortion was made illegal again...
The poor and Middle Class would find illegal ways to access and the rich would go outside of the US to obtain one. I am not pro abortion but I do believe that any woman and preferably with a doctor's advice should be able to make that choice. It is rediculous that the morning after pill is not available over the counter.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:25 AM
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6. Outlawing abortion will only increase Canadian tourism.
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:30 AM
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7. The black market in the RU-486 will evolve
The question will be whether with the reversal of RVW the use of the pill will be criminalized. The fundies will want to charge users with capital punishment, since life is so sacred to them (I know, its not logical, but that's why they are fundies).

They will certainly require doctors that treat patients that use the pill to "report the crime". There will be an underground of doctors that will disobey the law, just as there was before RVW.

Of course, the politicians and church leaders will send their daughters to Canada or Europe to take care of their problems, just like they did before RVW.

Ethical men need to start using contraceptives in concert with their partners to prevent this conundrum from occuring as much as possible. That will give us breathing space until the fundies also outlaw birth control, and criminalize out of wedlock sex.
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:40 AM
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8. I honestly believe that they will never
overturn Roe v Wade. They know they would lose one of their most important issues to galvanize the knuckledraggers.
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:29 AM
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15. I hope...
But i would bet birth control would be next.... shudder
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:46 AM
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9. The fundies don't care about income or
access to health care. The fundies main goal is to keep women in line--barefoot, pregnant, ignorant and servile--just like the Bible says, or so they believe. It has much less to do with saving babies than it does with exerting control over women. If they really cared about babies they would use their energy on programs to raise money for hungry children in the world, they adopt orphaned children or work to get them adopted. How many fundies do you know that have adopted a crack baby?
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:29 AM
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10. If Roe v. Wade is overturned...
my state, NY, will allow abortions, just as it did before Roe v. Wade. Where my daughter goes to school, SC, will outlaw abortions, just as it did before Roe v. Wade.

The country will look something like the election map: red = illegal abortions, blue = legal abortions.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:44 AM
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11. There'll be an abortion ship off the gulf coast
This dutch clinic has been offering such services off the coasts of
nations that deny women their rights (ireland, poland, portugal).
It looks like they'll have a new area to patrol from north carolina
to texas.

http://www.womenonwaves.org/
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:51 AM
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12. Abortion is as old as unwanted pregnancies
There are recipes for abortifacents found on the walls of tombs in Egypt. Women have sought to control their reproductive lives forever, and women always will. The only thing the fundies can do is make it more dangerous. Don't think for a second they would be bothered by the deaths of women who seek abortions- all we are to them are sluts and whores.
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