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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 04:47 PM
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Dean fans! Help me enlighten ignorant reporter!
Edited on Mon Sep-01-03 05:11 PM by FlashHarry
Here's the e-mail I sent this guy from The Post:
You refer to Howard Dean as "the most liberal of the Democrats in the race and the most outspoken against the U.S. liberation of Iraq." While the second part may be true, the first most certainly isn't. Dean is pro-gun, pro-death penalty and a deficit hawk. How does that make him 'the most liberal?' I suppose, if you repeat something often enough, it eventually becomes accepted as truth, despite the facts.

I realize this is only the gossip page, but don't you think you should be a little more assiduous in your research before blithely tarring somebody with the 'liberal' brush?


Here's his response:

who is more liberal, except maybe Al Sharpton?

On edit: the url for the story appears to be the Page 6 index. It's since been updated, so I've lost the original piece.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 04:49 PM
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Thats his response?
I thought a reporter would be a bit more professional in how he answered email.
What a loser.
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 04:50 PM
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2. Clearly, he's just lazy.
I'm sure he got the McAuliffe/Rove talking points memo and is just repeating it.
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 04:49 PM
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1. Of course the NY Post is going to smear the Democratic frontrunner.
No surprise there.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 04:50 PM
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3. agh Kucinich is more liberal than Dean
Its not like our campaign is invisible.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 04:50 PM
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4. Umm, let's think a bit, I know - Kucinich!
Is that the right answer?
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 04:52 PM
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5. Is he forgetting about Kucinich
He's just as credible a candidate as Sharpton and probably more liberal.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 04:54 PM
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7. Thanks Taylor always enjoy it when I see non Kucinich supporters respect h
im
They always forget about us :( but we're gonna put the goons to sleep then we are gonna prevail.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 04:53 PM
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6. If that remarkably incisive comment was his response
then you aren't going to be changing his mind.
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ferg Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 04:56 PM
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8. you could ask what he means by "liberal"
Although, any reporter who doesn't realize Kucinich is more liberal is an embarassment to journalism.

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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 05:02 PM
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12. yep
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Fixated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 04:58 PM
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9. .....
DK and "CMB" and Sharpton and possibly Kerry.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 05:01 PM
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10. I wonder if he even knows who Kucinich is. (NT)
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 05:01 PM
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11. Dean is a moderate

Of course last week's Dean hype managed to do both at once. It knocked him down by setting him up, in a way. No longer was the question "Is he too liberal to be electable?" Reporters belatedly scoured his record and discovered a fiscal conservative who put balanced budgets before social spending in Vermont, who opposes federal gun control legislation and backs the death penalty for certain crimes. Now the make-or-break question about Dean became: "Will liberals desert him when they figure out that he's actually a moderate?" Then came other pre-fab worries about the problems of sudden success: Had Dean peaked too soon? Could his fledgling campaign handle the attention? And OK, maybe he was moderate enough to be electable, but was he likable enough? Was his reputation for "straight talk" just a euphemism for brusque and arrogant?

Hanging out with the local Dean folks was my way of getting out of what his campaign dismisses as "the media echo chamber," and trying to figure out what's really going on. I've lived here almost 20 years. I know the San Francisco Dean phenomenon is not a microcosm of what it will take to get him elected; I saw the way the GOP smeared House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi -- and pushed her to the center some -- by calling her a "San Francisco Democrat" before she even took over the leadership post. I know we're DLC founder Al From's worst nightmare. But I also saw some intriguing things following Dean around San Francisco at the end of July, and talking to his supporters the week after he'd gone. The Bay Area Dean machine is attracting more than the usual suspects: It's neither the Greens nor the City Hall regulars; it's neither the moneyed elite nor the rabble; it's not just the young and the hip; it's not ponytailed '60s holdovers -- it's all of them, and then some. I met Republicans and Ross Perot voters who were supporting the antiwar candidate who promises to repeal Bush's tax cuts. And I met Dean himself, and watched two speeches. You can't get his charisma without seeing him in person.

The UFCW crowd seemed a lot like Donna Brazile: They were ready to love everybody. Only the leftier candidates -- Kucinich, Carol Moseley Braun, Gephardt and Dean -- showed up; Sharpton couldn't make it, but Kerry appeared by satellite, as befits his attempt to be a more centrist liberal. All of them got big cheers. These were the folks Al From tried to warn us about. But if Dean hadn't been red-baited by the DLC, you might well hear him as the moderate in the race. He criticized Kucinich and Moseley Braun's call for single-payer universal healthcare, the left's politically impossible dream, as well as Gephardt's expensive public-private hybrid. Kerry vied with Dean for the moderate mantle with his relatively modest healthcare plan, but overall Dean came off as the fiscal conservative in the bunch. Amazingly, he got the biggest hand from this union audience when he called George Bush a "borrow and spend, credit-card Republican" and promised to erase the deficit if he's elected.

One thing I don't worry about is that his lefty base doesn't know what he stands for, and will bolt when they realize he's a moderate. His base knows exactly how moderate he is. I interviewed dozens of his liberal devotees, and they all know the not-so-liberal aspects of his record. Someone at the Meetup lamented his staunch pro-Israel stance; several people I met said they differed with him on the death penalty. Brilliant says he has issues with Dean on all of his more conservative stands. "But he's not afraid to say what he thinks. Dean asks the fundamentally sound questions and does not have an ideological answer that trumps reason, as Bush does."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/08/11/dean/
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 05:04 PM
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13. I'm glad you're following through on this
Some of Dean's non-liberal positions:

He supports the death penalty.
He doesn't want increased federal gun regulations and has a high NRA rating.
He supports a balanced budget.

Not sure what's liberal about any of those positions.

And I love that not-so-subtle jab linking him with Sharpton. They HATE Sharpton and think he epitomizes a liberal joke, so what could be worse than comparing him with Sharpton.
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 05:07 PM
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15. Those were the three I mentioned in my original e-mail.
Notice, he didn't refute them. What's Dean's health care plan? Doesn't it involve private enterprise? That doesn't sound like socialism to me...
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 05:16 PM
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18. If you mentioned them in your original e-mail
and he still came back with that response, he's a hopeless cause just like a previous poster mentioned. Maybe a better approach would be a letter to the editor countering his slam. That would allow you to reach those who are perhaps not too far gone.

Can't recall specifics, but he does want to make sure that everyone has some level of coverage. For these types, anything that helps the common man is socialism and therefore, "evil." People are literally dying from lack of health care, but at least we don't have none of them thar evil socialist programs. :eyes:

For the record, I don't think liberal is a bad word. Dean's lack of "liberalness" is the main reason I'm hesitant to embrace him, and God help me, I LIKE Al Sharpton and love hearing him speak.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 05:06 PM
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14. Except he said "most liberal"
His response supports your argument.
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 05:09 PM
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16. I just noticed he referred to the 'liberation' of Iraq
Not the 'invasion.'
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 05:11 PM
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17. Liberation?
My first thought was "what liberation?" Yea, liberated from their water and electricity and from many close relatives and from security and jobs. Just like America. In my vocabulary liberal is not a dirty word since it appears to be the opposite of Shrub and Co.
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 05:41 PM
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19. .
Edited on Mon Sep-01-03 05:48 PM by FlashHarry
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