It's OK. You can say the "F" word: Fraud. Documents begin tonight

[BevHarris]

Unless we are hacked out again, we will begin releasing documents this evening. It will be drip drip drip, not a knockout punch.

Very small drips, not because we are trying to stall, but because many of the problem documents beget FOIAs for additional, related documents to rule out the bullshit excuses. In many cases we need to avoid calling attention to what we are looking at until we close the exit doors entirely.

But you can expect interesting reading, though the parts we can release at this time without jeopardizing other stuff will appear nonconclusive.

Heh.

Heh heh.

Bev Harris
Black Box Voting (.ORG)
http://www.blackboxvoting.org

P.S. emergency situation in Nevada, certification at 2 p.m. while enough provisionals are uncounted that it may be able to flip the race.

[Irishladdie]

1. YESSSSSSSSSSS!!! Go Bev Go!!!

[luxpara]

I don't quite understand

what this means? Help Me!

[Fleshdancer]

109. Let me do my best to explain....

First of all, welcome to DU!

Second, there are a few people on this board that are more well known than others and one of the big ones is Bev Harris, the woman who started this thread. She took the initiative a few years ago to investigate black box voting - voting machines with no paper trail, and with the help of others, uncovered a ton of horrible information about the companies who make these machines...both their utter lack of security (easily hackable) and the slimey people who run these companies (some have served jail time for fraud in the past and the CEO of one company promised to deliver Ohio to Bush in 2004 - which, apparently, he did)

Go to the site she linked on her post, it'll have more info than I could possibly give right now.

As far as understanding the thread, it's about information that will be slowly leaking concerning voter fraud in this election. The "drip drip drip" refers to a slow leak.

I hope this post was helpful to you. :hi:

[Dogmudgeon]

198. Can this happen before the 12/12 Electoral College "deadline"?

--bkl

[Pallas180]

214. BEV -Palm Beach County Logs 88,000 More Votes Than Voters

Palm Beach County Logs 88,000 More Votes Than Voters


According to the official election results posted on the Palm Beach County election website, 542,835 ballots were cast for a presidential candidate while only 454,427 voters turned out for the election (including absentee). This leaves a discrepancy of 88,408 votes cast for the presidential candidates.

Palm Beach County's supervisor of elections is Theresa LePore who is known for the 2000 Presidential Election and the notorious "butterfly ballot" that caused confusion among seniors and other Floridians.

Other election oddities occurred throughout Florida with some counties registering a 400% increase in expected voter turnout among Republicans while Democrats supposedly experienced a -60% decline in expected support in certain counties. The 50+ counties experiencing the high percentage fluctuations in expected turnout used optical scan voting machines on November 2nd.

Vote discrepancies were also found in Gahanna, Ohio which gave an extra 4,000 votes to President Bush. The error was explained away by Franklin County administrators as a "glitch" in the electronic voting system.

Developing. .

[nostamj]

215. do you have a link for this?

I'll send it on to Guy James, he may want to use it in today's show (assuming he's tallking about FRAUD) but he'll want more than a DU posting. THANKS!

[alittlelark]

2. FRAUD.....I'm so happy to say it...I need to say it.

Thank You for your work!!!!!

[RedSock]

9. GO BEV GO

you are a true patriot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i donated $25 early today -- i urge all evil du-ers to do the same (or more).

[michigandem2]

3. Bev, have I told you lately???

that I FUCKING LOVE YOU!

Keep it up girl! GO GO GO!

[highplainsdem]

4. Thank you, Bev. Can't wait to see these documents.

[Jack_Dawson]

5. But Kerry Already Conceded like a Wuss

So does any of this really matter? Not that I'm thrilled, mind you.

[dweller]

10. but WE have not.

and that is what matters.


dp

[Jack_Dawson]

16. So who's going to be President? Bev?

Not that she doesn't deserve to be, but if our guy doesn't have the stones to pursue obvious voter fraud, what will become of this effort?

[Siyahamba]

28. At this point I'd rather have Bev as president!

[Orangepeel]

48. If voter fraud took place, it is bigger than this election (n/t)

[Squeech]

15. Yes it matters

The concession doesn't mean anything. The various states certify their electors, and whatever they say goes.

[emulatorloo]

23. Democracy matters . . . .

(and concession means nothing BTW. nothing legally binding. . . )

[MallRat]

33. Conceding an election is NOT LEGALLY BINDING.

It is a strictly political act, with no legal or electoral ramifications.

Believe me, if an investigation or a recount starts turning in Kerry's favor, he'll retract his concession pretty damn quickly.

-MR

[Jack_Dawson]

37. Would Kerry DO that though?

He threw in the towel pretty f'ing quickly, much to my disappointment.

[MallRat]

41. If there's smoking gun found in Ohio or Florida, damn straight he will.

n/t

[Jack_Dawson]

42. I hope to hell you're right

Then maybe I can start eating again.

[Ladyhawk]

180. Big HUGS, Jack Dawson.

A lot of us feel so sick about this.

:hug:

You have my admiration for speaking your mind about Kerry. It was exactly how I felt when he conceded so quickly.

[mark11727]

47. I'm wondering if Kerry's concession

was somehow tied to Elizabeth Edward's condition.

Just speculating.

[Jack_Dawson]

50. No. She's not his wife.

[TexasChick]

91. How do we know what Kerry is doing right at this moment? None of us

really know what he is doing! He could be helping too, for all we know! I don't understand all this wuss stuff if we do not know where Kerry is and don't know what he's doing. He could be a part of this too.

[txindy]

117. I'm with you!

I think that's what's happening, too. I hope it is. If that really is what's happening, I think the man's brilliant. :D

[George_S]

189. Jack, if Kerry were involved in all this tin hat stuff,

It would look very bad, very bad indeed. No one would believe it and there would be a huge backlash from the right and the media and the center to cut it out.

This is the most effective way.

[NAO]

200. Kerry Turns Tin-Foil Hat Issues Into Historical Record

Kerry has been accused of nut-case, tin-foil hat conspiracy mongering before - several times - and now the 'conspiracies theories' he investigated are part of the public record.

Iran-Contra

Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI)

Vietnam POW-MIA

All were dismissed as too improbable, only to investigated by Kerry, who brought out the truth, much to everyone's surprise.

[Chicago Democrat]

230. Kick

[Chicago Democrat]

216. Kick

[alittlelark]

52. It's a waaay long-shot, but Kerry has until Dec 12th

to take back his concession.

[Jack_Dawson]

58. Link?

[leftynyc]

61. That's the day the electoral college votes

Nothing that's happened until then really matters.

[American liberal]

175. you just let in a little ray of hope

Is it possible that if fraud is exposed and a recount is demanded by we the people that we could still turn this around before the Electoral College vote?

What can I do?

[alittlelark]

62. I can try to hunt one down for you...saw a link to it on DU 2 days ago

[Carni]

71. The concession isn't legally binding

It's basically ceremonial according to what I have read.

[hertopos]

113. This is even more important than just this election!!

If we don't expose them now, we will be lost forever.

Hertopos

[txindy]

115. Did you read where Bev said some questions need to stay quiet

until we get all of the answers we can pry out of the system? Well, I think it's possible that Kerry is doing the same thing on a grander scale. Making nice while the investigation goes on quietly under the radar. If we get a circus like Florida in 2000, we will never get any answers. Besides, a concession is not binding. If fraud (or a 'mistake') is proven, he'll be president.

Just MHO, of course.

[Ladyhawk]

181. I hope you're right. I could respect him again, if so. nt

[jobycom]

125. Who cares what Kerry did, it's OUR vote they are stealing

People keep thinking this is about Kerry or Bush. They stole from ME. The did not provide equal protection to ME. They are cheating ME. Kerry can jump on the bandwagon or give up, I don't care, because this is all about ME. And YOU, and everyone else in America.

And hey, Freepers, if Bush can do it, so can our guy next time, so this is about YOU, too, whether you have the foresight to accept that now, or not.

[m berst]

155. yes!

Thanks! I have felt like the only one pointing that out for the last 36 hours again and again.

[regnaD kciN]

174. For the last time, CONCESSION ISN'T LEGALLY BINDING...

If it should turn out that Ohio went the other way, Kerry will be elected President, regardless of whether or not he conceded the race. And I would suspect that he will unconcede quite quickly if recounts, provisionals, etc., suddenly show him in the lead.

[Vadem]

197. Thank you, thank you! I feel a 100% better after hearing that....

concession can be retracted if the votes are there to overturn the first decision!

[ClassWarrior]

224. And no decision based on fraud is legally binding.

On top of that.

NGU.

[Jack_Dawson]

176. So...Where are the Documents?

Even if they are coming at a trickle, I just went to blackboxvoting.org and can't find a single one. Please tell me this wasn't a ploy to get donations...I'll be so bummed. Bev's post was the only thing that got me through my day today.

[Ladyhawk]

183. Yeah, wouldn't it be a pisser to be screwed by another leader?

I hope this is real. My gut tells me the election was stolen, but I'm the sort who needs proof at some point.

Usually I withhold judgment until there is proof, but not this time. Probably this is an emotional reaction...something I promised myself I would never do again after all that religious indoctrination.

Bev, please be the real deal. And help us.

[Ladyhawk]

179. Thank you for expressing my ire for me.

We were ready to do anything for that man and he bailed on us. :cry:

[Spiffarino]

208. Kerry conceded

...but it doesn't mean he's out. Many politicians have conceded elections in the past, only to discover that errors, fraud, etc. took place and the votes needed to be recounted. Some have won election.

This does not have to be over.

[Jack_Dawson]

221. Can you name one?

I'm not doubting you, I've just never heard of such a case...

[Spiffarino]

233. Sorry, Jack

I can remember hearing about it from my Poli-Sci professor in the late 70s, but the source material (textbook) is long gone. One of the textbooks had a chapter called "Republicrats and Demopublicans" if that's any help.

I've tried to Google it 50 different ways, but all I get is @#&# Al Gore/GW stuff from 2000. Until I can find the source, I have to retract. Apologies for not doing the footwork first.

[The Spirit of JFK]

6. ..then tell us what we can/should do Bev

We are your foot soldiers.

[one_true_leroy]

7. Bev... You are the greatest assett to Democracy

I have been reading your work for more than a year, and I think you are brave and tireless, and I thank you for all that you are doing.

God Bless You!!

[Career Prole]

8. Thanks for all you do, Bev!

And I love it when you say
"heh"
"heh heh"
like that!
:yourock:

[Generator]

11. Democracy matters!

thank you thank you thank you thank you..

[bloom]

12. Keeping hope alive

thanks

[noamnety]

13. Thank you

Please, when you are doing press releases, include the foreign media. They have a stake in reporting this; our own media has abandoned us.

[hlthe2b]

31. I think if we can prove voter fraud,

and the Bushies* are unwilling to addreess that the UN/ EU would be justified in putting sanctions on us! (No, I'm not a seditionist--just a pragmatic devil's advocate).

Guess, I'm going to Guantanamo for that statement..... Can anyone help me with my arabic, quickly? :eyes:

[oc2002]

14. so soon?

I would think this would take months of pouring over data to find anything.

I hope you have solid proof, or you'll be discredited beyond repair.

[Bridget Burke]

30. You opinion will be given due consideration.

***

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

17. Thank You for All Your Hard Work

I want to say a HUGE THANK YOU to BevHarris for preaching about the horrors of e-voting for months and putting together this investigation into the FRAUD of the 2004 Election. Without committed people like Bev, this shit thats gonna hit the fan wouldn't even come to light.

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

[MuseRider]

18. Thanks Bev.

Donated all we could this morning. I hope it helps.

[wicket]

19. I donated $10 to BBV today

Wish I could afford more, but I'll give again when I can. Thank-you for all of your hard work Bev, you rock!!!!

[Sabriel]

136. $15 to BBV! I shifted it from National Propaganda Radio to her. n/t

[Blue_Tires]

20. i'm very sad to see that

what Bev said would happen all along finally happened

[Ladyhawk]

184. I think there was fraud.

I just hope we can prove it...SOON!

[jackstraw45]

21. Yes...keep up the fight...this is OUR fight now

The DNC is chasing it's tail.....we the PEOPLE need to TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.

The Optical Scan Diebold counting machines smell like Cheney's underwear!

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

[Karenina]

27. After an "acute episode."

:evilgrin:

[nostamj]

22. "It's OK..." button graphic

posted in the earlier thread too... about to send a TIF.

I can tweak this quickly and easily if you want/need. I have a base file in photoshop format and can edit any element...

:hi:

[CornField]

32. Cut it down by about 50% in size

And make the background white for me?

[nostamj]

44. like this?

[CornField]

45. Beautiful! Thanks!

[jdj]

158. what is this with the black ribbon? should we all wear black ribbons

like the AIDS ribbons, or the breast cancer ribbons?

[nostamj]

161. it has been discussed here on DU

black ribbon = death of democracy

or, a blue for peace and/or blue states.

this design was requested by Bev on an earlier thread, so, I just went ahead and did it!

many, many more here:

http://www.cafepress.com/nostamj/358193

[ilovenicepeople]

191. Thanks nostamj this Canadian donned his Black ribbon

I hate to say it,but since 2000 I've been saying(not here mind you)You Know What They Say,"IF THEY WILL STEAL IT ONCE..."Good Luck America:boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring:

[RedEagle]

57. Nostamj, I think it needs to be more clear

..although that makes the visual busier.

Could clear it up by saying:

Fighting vote fraud
www.blackboxvoting.org

Have to keep in mind that most people out there are not as up to speed as the DU'ers.

My first response, if I act like I don't know anything, is, "What Fraud?" and "What has fraud got to do with BBV.org?"

[nostamj]

65. RedEagle....

the text is EXACTLY what Bev asked for in an earlier thread. I only worked on the design elements... she was VERY specific. i goofed the first time and had to re-do everything to match her request...

maybe the idea (kinda like ?W) is to make people ASK?

:shrug:

I'm fine with re-doing it as often as necessary, but she wanted THIS today....

[jean]

141. this is avatar material, as well

[BevHarris]

166. Beautiful. I wish all of you could meet Nostamj --

He is an amazing talent, who has made a real difference in the BBV issue in many ways. His "Question W Revue" should have gone national, it was fantastic.

Bev

[Ladyhawk]

185. I have always loved nostamj's posts.

He is one of my favorite DUers.

[hlthe2b]

24. Thank God/Goddess for you, Bev! Our determined heroine!

[On the Road]

25. Great, Bev -- Go, Go, Go!

We need the same type of specifics that there were in Florida last time. This time around there's a network of activists and a greater openness in the general public to believing that fraud is possible.

I hope that those who believe the election was stolen can hold off until Bev is able to present a full range of data.

[Swamp Rat]

26. Thank you Bev!

[emulatorloo]

29. THANK YOU! n/t

[Poll_Blind]

34. Thank you Bev! Thank you! n/t

PB

[LTRS]

35. Bev, tell me if you are looking at this

Flordia ballots show huge (and I mean HUGE) numbers of DEMS supposedly voting for Bush in very Dem counties. That is indicative of wholesale theft of this election! My partner spent hours crunching numbers last night and there is no doubt - they stole FL and they probably stole Ohio as well. Trust me, we are NOT the conspiracy theorist types, and even on Wed I posting here saying "take off the tin foil hat" to people who automatically assumed it was stolen.

But it was. It really was. Check here.

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

That link shows the results compared to the registered dems and reps per county. And it shows that massive numbers of dems supposedly voted for Bush.

It's just not possible that 40 and 50% of registered dems voted for Bush, but ONLY in optical scan counties. For one thing, the exit polls and pre-election polls would have reflected a massive movement for Bush from Dems. This is fraud!

I don't know how to post a spreadsheet here, but here is a summary of how they did Florida:

Summary

-- In 13 of 15 touchscreen voting counties in Florida, Dems gained over what would be expected looking at just registration percentages –more than just Dems voted for Kerry in these counties

-- But in only 7 of 52 optical scanner voting counties (15%), Dems gained over what would be expected looking at registration percentages - this seems a little odd

-- In the touchscreen counties, the average gain was 8% over what you would expect based on Dem registration, including all 15 counties

--In the optical scanner counties, the average loss was 16.6% under what you would expect based on dem registration, including all 52 counties

-- If you apply the 8% average plus the expectations based on registration that was seen in the touchscreen counties to the optical scanner counties where we saw losses in the Dem column, it's a total of 281,143.

If you add this number to Kerry’s total, and subtract this number from Bush’s…

Method
Bush Votes
Kerry Votes

Subtotal
Touchscreen
1,845,876
1,982,210

Subtotal
Op-Scan-Precinct
1,950,213
1,445,675

Adjustment

-281,143
+281,143

Corrected Subtotal
Op-Scan-Precinct
1,668,730
1,727,158

Corrected Total
All Methods
3,514,606 - Bush
3,709,368 - Kerry

And guess what, when you correct, it matches the exit polls!

If we could get the paper ballots rescanned in Florida with machines that had been actually checked to make sure they was no fraud going on, you would see that Kerry very likely won this election.

[Eloriel]

133. This is really important -- will you post this as a separate thread?

I REALLY want as many people as possible to see this, and not everyone grooves on BBV threads.

[Ladyhawk]

186. Some won't even entertain the idea.

I realize that it is incumbent upon the person making the claim to prove it, but isn't that what Bev is trying to do?

[Fla Dem]

234. Deleted...Duplicate post.

[Sweet Freedom]

36. Thank you, Bev!

So glad to hear from you. I'll donate today.

:yourock:

[PotatoBoy]

38. OK..lemme catch my breath. Should I be excited about this???

Bev, you're going public with this? Will this have some major impact or will the moronic media downplay the importance of this??

holy crap I'm freaking out

[Ardee]

39. More than fraud

Whatever machinations have occurred with BBV, and Ive little doubt that there are such, this is only a part of the thievery of the electoral process.

Rove has used such as the Swift Boat Veterans, whose outright lies are both outrageous, contributory to the election results and deniable by the GOP and Rove himself.He has used religious groups to spread false information about Kerry and other democrats by leafleting cars parked in church lots for Sunday services. He has authored, from afar, the intimidation of Native American and Afro American voters into staying away from the polls. He has installed as election overseers chairman and co chairmen of the republican reelection committees in several so-called swing states.

Our democracy is under attack by this student of Joseph Goebbels and ,while Bev's work is very, very important it is only one effort in a war to save democracy. We should not narrow our focus and lose sight of the scope of the problem.

[petrock2004]

112. hmmm...

... the native american vote (at least in NM) was pretty fired up this year. especially after tom delay's comments. i was at one of the local reservations out here when joe shirley, president of the navajo nation, endorsed john kerry. don't give KKKarl that much credit... they got to the polls alright.

and while i kind of see what you mean, i can't see how focussing on the current fraud will in any way detract from the efforts people are making to keep the likes of rove from taking over our country.

the votes got there, DESPITE THE NEOCONS BEST EFFORTS! we're talking the largest number of votes AGAINST a president ever! i think that deserves some focussed attention, and in my opinion, it in no way takes the scope off of the real problem. it's just one more way to take them down.

just my $.02

[Ardee]

118. How many votes DIDNT get there

Is the question we should be asking.......I am uncertain as to your take on this election, do you think that every vote was counted, that every voter was not intimidated in some way as to decide not to vote after all?

Kerry got, by estimate five million NEW votes (those that didnt vote in the previous election...Bush got 8 million of those 13 million new voters...Does that actually sound right to you?

I hope that independent groups will take long hard looks at both Florida and Ohio voting.......including that precinct wherein 500 people voted and 4200 votes for Bush were recorded......

[petrock2004]

121. no, it was good turnout

at least locally.

the reservation in our county at least is basically singlehandedly responsible for electing all the local dem. candidates.

there were lawyers on the res. not only from the dem. party but from all kinds of independent groups. there were several different groups of people taking them to the polling place in vans and busses...

that's what i meant when i said they were fired up.

and i thought i was the one who was arguing that it's worthwhile to make sure every vote got counted. the ONLY thing i was suggesting is that, at least in our county, the rovian "keep minorities afraid of going to the polls" tactic didn't work.

and i never suggested that that's true everywhere.

i was simply suggesting that it's perfectly reasonable to focus sharply on voter fraud. seems that you agree... i think?

[Ardee]

149. Of course I do

I absolutely agree but without narrowing the scope of possible investigations. I am an inveterate listener to NPR and Pacifica radio and am hearing about more and more such incidents each and every day since Tuesday.........

[Eloriel]

135. Only one effort

You're right, and that was a good summation. We have to be working on ALL of them.

BUT, think about this: if we don't solve BBV, it won't matter whether or not we solve the rest: you can't vote 'em out if you didn't vote 'em in.

[blueblitzkrieg]

40. GO GET EM BEV!!!! YOU ROCK!!!! nt

[Kipepeo]

43. Go Bev!!

In what ways can we best help your efforts?

DONATING is one, I am sure.

Others?

[Sperk]

46. That's why ALL my donations this year go to Bev! Thanks Bev!

What a wonderful lady!

[TexasSissy]

49. Fraud. Don't think it can be proven, but I feel in my gut that it happend

[bullimiami]

54. sissy. like ive said before we dont have to prove it in the courts

we need to prove it to the people. when enough people know it will not be able to be swept under.

[TexasSissy]

128. I gotcha. Yes, that's better than NOTHING. After all, I didn't

believe it at first. It took a few posts about fraud (with numbers and facts) before I started thinking, "This looks fishy. It just might be true."

[Catherine Vincent]

51. I know this may get tiring to hear Bev, but

Thanks for all your hard work!:-)

[TrueAmerican]

53. I wish it wasn't a Friday to put this out

But I guess, you have release it as soon as possible. I hope it doesn't get lost like a Dubya Administration Friday data dump.

[RBHam]

55. Get ready for your congressional medal of honor, bev...

It's the least they can do for you, after you save Democracy as we know it.

[corker]

56. thank you bev for your hard work

you are a true patriot,we have to stop these criminals...

[pantouflard]

59. I just donated to Bev - how many more of us can?

[SammyWinstonJack]

76. I will, RIGHT NOW!

Thanks for your donation! :-)

[PretzelWarrior]

60. you got major "ups" from Mark Crispin Miller on Morning Sedition

imagine that. instead of us just sitting here blind, deaf, and dumb...we have a liberal radio network that lets us know what is going on to fight the corruption and power grab taking place.

we have advocates who are using a lot of personal money and time to investigate this so we HAVE something to report.

Thanks again. add me to your email list of volunteers. [e-mail]

[Politicub]

81. It's impossible to over estimate the power of AirAmerica

I heard the same thing on Morning Sedition this morning and thought to myself I would never be hearing stuff like this on my drive into work.

AirAmerica is a breath of fresh air here in Atlanta. Progressives have needed something like this for a very long time.

[JPace]

148. "Air America is a breath of fresh air"

It is marvelous, it supports the believers and educates
the non believers. We need them to be in every city in
America.

[jean]

142. aaand, we have the internets!

[MsUSA]

63. I'm so proud of you Bev, I gave my donation.

Keep up the great work, we're all rooting for you!! and Thanks

[wiggs]

64. I just donated, for work you've done but more so

for what I hope to see tonight and thereafter on my DU LBN forum:

"MASSIVE VOTE COUNTING FRAUD DISCOVERED"

I am willing to give more if this gets legs.

[Nashyra]

67. What can we do in Nevada?

[Borgnine]

66. GO BEV!!!

More people should have listened to you these last few years. Hell, you seemed to get Dean's attention during his segment with you on CNBC a few months back, but I guess the message never got to the party leaders.

[mindfulNJ]

68. OMG...THANK YOU!

Those heh heh hehs give me so much hope!!! :)

[pdx_prog]

69. YES!

If there is ANYTHING any of us can do please ask!

[mindfulNJ]

70. kick

:)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

72. "Broward machines count backward" ..palm beach news article here

Broward machines count backward


By Eliot Kleinberg

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Friday, November 05, 2004

FORT LAUDERDALE — It had to happen. Things were just going too smoothly.

Early Thursday, as Broward County elections officials wrapped up after a long day of canvassing votes, something unusual caught their eye. Tallies should go up as more votes are counted. That's simple math. But in some races, the numbers had gone . . . down.

Officials found the software used in Broward can handle only 32,000 votes per precinct. After that, the system starts counting backward.

Why a voting system would be designed to count backward was a mystery to Broward County Mayor Ilene Lieberman. She was on the phone late Wednesday with Omaha-based Elections Systems and Software.

more...
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/news/epap...

[Oilwellian]

78. Guess what?

the page can no longer be found.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

80. fuck!!!!!!! they scrubbed it...god damn it

[PotatoBoy]

84. WAIT..the article is here now:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/news/epaper/2004/11/05/a29a_BROWVOTE_1105.html

[ElsewheresDaughter]

90. oh good...thank you so much

[jdj]

159. just in case

I copied the whole thing onto disc.

[Demit]

92. hah! Love your moniker.

[melissaf]

87. My fiance is a computer programmer

I told him about the backwards-counting vote machines, and he laughed. Apparently, the problem is some very basic programming error. He wondered whether ALL the software for the voting machines were like that (if so, more more machines might be compromised) AND he pointed out that if the 32,000 limit goes backward until it reaches zero, it'll loop around again and start counting up from 1.

(Edited because "look" is not the same thing as "loop.")

[Eloriel]

139. Tell him not to assume it was an error

Or, if he prefers, that it wasn't intentional to not FIX the error.

[BevHarris]

170. There are complications with the "error" theory.

For one thing, the error was based on the idea that the machine was set to max out at 132,000 (a number curiously low for a county with many times more votes than that). The machine supposedly began counting backwards when it hit a previously set max.

Problem is, it only did that on two ballot questions -- one of which was a target for vote-rigging (a gambling initiative which is somewhat unpopular with the voters, upon which huge sums of money ride)

Why only the two ballot questions? This, taken in combination with an anomaly on the same gambling question in Collier County, looks like we should do much more scrutiny on that ballot question.

Bev

[Lorien]

100. Link not working n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

110. here's the working link....

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/news/epaper/2004/11/05/a29a_BROWVOTE_1105.html

[ElsewheresDaughter]

107. bev did i read this right ...97,000+ votes not counted do to ES&S error

in heavy democratic Broward???

[Zuni]

73. "Bush just bit my ear off!!!"

[Oilwellian]

74. Bev, what do you think of this idea?

The more I look at Kathy Dopp's work in FL, the more I'm unable to pick my jaw up off of the floor. I found a website that shows the names and numbers of all of the Democratic Committee officers in each Florida county. Out of curiosity, I called a couple of them to ask if they were aware so many Dems in their county crossed over and voted for Bush. Unfortunately, I spoke with the wives of these Dem leaders and although they were aware of the anomaly, they couldn't explain why it happened and suggested I contact their husbands tonight.

Wouldn't it be interesting to put a finger on this issue, straight from the mouths of those Dem leaders in Florida? Do you think it would be worthwhile to organize an effort to call each of these leaders in the counties in question and ask if they had a strong grassroots activist group who'd be willing to canvass their areas and ask why so many Dems switched?

If anything, it could be a grassroots efforts to get these Dems to approach their local voting officials and demand an audit trail for future elections. But for now, wouldn't it be cool if the locals in some of these counties could prove the overwhelming majority DID vote for Kerry and not Bush?

Let me know what you think soon and I'll be happy to try and organize an effort here on DU to call some of these Democratic committee officials.

Thanks again for all of your hard work.

[Eloriel]

144. It's a great idea. Do it.

Sign me up for a couple of calls.

[Oilwellian]

151. Fantastic!

I'll PM you when I'm ready to roll with it. I'd like to get Bev's input first..don't want to jeopardize anything she's doing. Thanks for your willingness to help.

[Ladyhawk]

187. If this gets approved, I can call.

I can call over the Internet for pennies a minute.

[BevHarris]

167. We took Kathy Dopp's work to another expert yesterday

It is an exceptionally well designed analysis and fully justifies hand recounts of 44 Florida counties, because the results posted by the Florida Secretary of State as the "final results" are just about mathmatically impossible.

Kathy Dopp has one of the best exposés using statistics, and it is on our "A" list of fraud indicators.

Bev Harris
Black Box Voting
http://www.blackboxvoting.org

[leftchick]

75. HERE IS A LINK TO DONATE TO BBV.......

cuz fighting for our Democracy ain't cheap.....:)


http://www.eservicescorp.com/form.aspx?fID=912

[aeschylus]

77. Thanks Bev! I just made a contribution!

For everyone else, please contribute if you can.

[oldtime dfl_er]

79. Bev Harris deserves a Nobel Prize

Thank you for all you're doing, and please don't ride in any small planes.

[InvisibleTouch]

82. Go Bev!

I know I'm somewhat given to hyperbole, but you may very well single-handedly save the country with this. You and everyone working with you.....

[Kukesa]

83. Big Kick for BEV!

[Mister K]

85. We stand ready to assist you. All 50K+ of us!

[Butterflies]

86. Look for a whistle blower!

If someone in one of the BBV companies would come forward (in addition to the documents), that would get it on TV where the person could be interviewed.

[leftchick]

97. or someone in Blackwell's office....

with incriminating e-mails!!! That would be a find!

[in_cog_ni_to]

88. kick!

:kick:

[Chomskyite]

89. Are you saying this based on an assumption or . . .

. . . based on what you've seen? And is this enough evidence for a court to overturn results in Ohio or Florida?

Or can you talk yet?

[nostamj]

94. look at this....

Randi RHodes has it on her website and she's talking FRAUD now...

[Robeson]

108. Kick

[Chicago Democrat]

93. DONATE TO BEV!!!

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

[shanti]

95. you go, bev!

i, for one, appreciate all the work you've done on this most vital issue, the NUMBER ONE issue!

[AzDar]

96. Go Bev, and Thank you!!! n/t

[rockymountaindem]

98. Thanks for all your hard work.

I'll see if I can scrape up a donation.
Rock on.

[mzmolly]

99. It's OUR job to get the info to the media once it's available.

:hi:

[Ladyhawk]

188. Yes, just tell us when to jump, how high, etc. nt

[NAO]

201. It will wither on the vine without major media exposure

and public outrage. So many instances of blatant gross corruption and fraud occur right out in the open, but they are ignored by the media and the perpetrators go free.

Rathergate gave us the method. We must spread evidence and keep the blogging and online chatter about voter fraud and the stolen election HIGH VOLUME so it cannot be ignored and allowed to fade into obscurity.

[itzamirakul]

219. It Won't Wither if We Keep the Story Alive...

We have to keep the story hot by continuing to post any new leads or ideas. The media has been forced to look at hot stories on the boards or on blogs before. And you can be sure they have their spies reading this board as well as any other to keep abreast of what we are doing or planning.

So any of you bloggers out there keep posting info in other places as well. also, let everyone on your mailing list know what is going on. Keep them posted on a regular basis and get them to spread the word as well. If we keep it hot they will have to notice.

[Butterflies]

101. Kick!

[kimchi]

102. Fraud, fRaud, frAud, fraUd, frauD!

You are my heroine, Bev!

Everyone donate whatever you can! These bastards have to be held accountable!

[Oilwellian]

103. No no no

It's fraWd :D

[kimchi]

156. My bad!

:evilgrin:

[slutticus]

104. kick

[GreenPartyVoter]

105. Bev, you all are just wonderful!

--------------------------------------------------------------------
FIGHT! Take this country back one town and state at a time!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm

[alexisfree]

106. thank you

[flygal]

111. Thank you Bev - go girl go!!!

[shelley806]

114. I can say that "F" word!!!!!!!! Please tell me Bev, if I'm spinning my

wheels...I have been downloading info from Florida all morning. The total votes per county, the types of machine used in each county, the voting method used in each county, the numbers of Dems and Reps in each county, and where I can find them, the uncorrected, original exit poll data. I had intended to do the same with Ohio. Am I wasting my time?!?

Thank you so much for all of your good work.

[BevHarris]

169. You are doing exactly what's needed.

Keep it up.

Bev

[Fla Dem]

235. I may have already done some of the work for you. See link....

I've put together several Excel spreadsheets for the Florida vote:

1.) 2004 Presidential Results, total vote/voter turnout by county, also showing which type of equipment was used.

2.) Voter Registration for 2000 & 2004, by Republicans/Democrats by county.

3.) Presidential Results, by county, Republican/Democrat 2000 & 2004.




http://orion.lunarpages.com/~pacifi3/FLA_VOTE.xls

[Carolab]

116. What is being done in NEVADA?

ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING?????????

[vetwife]

120. A concesion means nothingm a v speech means nothing .votes not certified

It is not over. This is how I see it. We the People are the ones who elect people .Keep in mind NOTHING has been certified. Remember
Harris wanting to certify so quickly hmmmmmmmmmmmmm> Bush claimed victory before the votes were counted. These is something afoot and I assure you the Kerry camp did not wimp out. Strategy......who looks foolish if they were mislead into a concession ? This is a long way from being over ...take that to the bank.. By vote or otherwise.

[Eloriel]

147. I just saw a very alarming thread title -- NV wants to certify w/o

counting the provisional ballots. Nevadans have to raise holy hell and get this stopped dead in its tracks. In fact, it wouldn't hurt for non-Nevadans to get involved too.

[shelley806]

119. WE NEED TO DO POST ELECTION POLLING!!! IS IT BEING DONE?!?

n/t

[loudsue]

122. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

O8)Sending prayers for your continued success and safety!! O8)

Bev, I second what someone above said: we should nominate you for a Nobel Prize!! You, and the whole team, have been fighting for this country like no patriots in recent history.

O8) May this effort be your CROWNING success!!! O8)

We love you!!!

:kick::kick::kick:

[txindy]

123. This would certainly explain why John Kerry conceded

I thought it was merely to avoid a repeat of the evil circus that was Florida 2000 while an investigation goes on under the radar. But, if this is proven to be true in multiple states, this could bring down a great many people and put the neocons out of business -- possibly for all time.

[jean]

145. it could take down some repub senators - they're up to 55

from this election - if they pull off more FRAUD in 2006, they could get to 60 senators and we would not be able to filibuster.

[Pallas180]

212. My Latina friend said Broward went 85% Dem - then how did Martinez

beat Castor when they were 49 % to 49% all night and then suddenly
Castor dropped to 47% -

Palm Beach County, where I was poll watcher (and did some exit polling myself) was like 98% Dem voting before the vote.

How did it drop to 60 % Dem after the vote?

And don't forget, we poll watchers were told at 6 PM on Nov 2 to warn
voters the machines were not registering their votes properly.

Another "vote for Gore becomes a vote for Buchanan" type "malfunction:.

[aquamarina]

124. Thanks Bev. Just sent my $25

[smirkymonkey]

126. Thanks Bev!

Just donated to BBV and I am e-mailing my friends to suggest they do the same.

Thanks for all your hard work!

[Poll_Blind]

127. Donated $10, thanks again for your hard work Bev! n/t

PB

[Chicago Democrat]

129. BEV!! Thank YOU!

i gave

[PittLib]

130. I think that it is more important that we demand to be heard ...

not John Kerry. Look what it did to Gore. They are our votes... we must demand an investigation. Donate! Thanks Bev!

[seraph]

131. KICK

:kick:

Way to go Bev!

[OhioChick]

132. Bev.....

You go, girl!

[tinrobot]

134. You are a GODDESS OF LIBERTY!

We love you... keep up the fight!

[diabhal]

137. Donated $30 - go go go!!

[Avalux]

138. Donated for the cause - for our future

Go Bev!!!! :bounce: :toast:

[RobertDevereaux]

140. Donated $50 and kick this!

[LiberteToujours]

143. I hope you're right

And I hope that these documents actually prove something, but I'm skeptical.

[JPace]

146. You go girl!

just wrote my check out to Black Box Voting.

[Jackie97]

150. Is there anything we can do?

I'm not a computer specialist or anything, but I was looking for an area where I might be able to donate. Was there an area or something other than computer specialists that they might need help with?

The thought that Bush might once again be forcing himself on the American people burns me up. The truth is that he's known that he doesn't have what it takes to be president. He's always known.

Edit: Okay, I see where I can donate at. It's at the top right hand corner. Does that go towards the investigation or just their website/forum? I don't want to accidently donate to the wrong area.

[Syd_]

154. Check her site

Bev said she needed lawyers, letter writers and other volunteers. If you're reasonably healthy and willing to travel, I'll bet there are all kinds of things that need to be done. Email her and ask what you can do. I volunteered to write letters and email.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ Email [e-mail]

She is our last best hope!

[Jackie97]

164. Thanks.

I've already donated. Let me see if there's something little 'ole usually useless me can do.

[Ladyhawk]

190. Where are the offices located? I'm a fairly decent writer. nt

[bettyellen]

152. c'mon everybody send 25 $$ to BBV right now!! We have to fix this!!

[truth2power]

153. thank you, Bev, for all the hard work you do.

I'm always here, watching and keeping track.

[Kimber Scott]

157. Things are tight, so I just sent $5.00. Thank Randi Rhodes. nt

[Pallas180]

160. BEV HARRISS - read this - wrong votes for BUSH in Ohio :

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041105/D865R1DO0.html

Machine Error Gives Bush Extra Ohio Votes

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in suburban Columbus, elections officials said.

Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.

Bush actually received 365 votes in the precinct, Matthew Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections, told The Columbus Dispatch.

[BevHarris]

168. Yup. Also on the 'A' List of fraud indicators.

These things are pouring in. Takes time to check them out, but this one looks solid.

Bev

[laruemtt]

162. Bev, thank you! thank you! thank you!

have you got some good karma coming to you or what!

[HappinessPie]

163. Bev, you are my heroine!!!!

:yourock:

[RBHam]

165. kick

:kick:

[BevHarris]

171. Well, today got away from us altogether.

I had Andy scan one of the documents and things ran away from us before he got the other into electronic form. It will have to be tomorrow.

I can't post the stuff because I can't get to his computer -- and had to go to another place to pick up the document's sister.

Bottom line: I'm shooting for tomorrow night to start feeding it out.

Everyone's going to scream at me I'm sure -- they love to do that here -- because the first two documents we are posting, a bad boy and his sister, are about specific certification fraud, not vote fraud.

We are doing triage, culling through such a pile of this stuff, and fielding calls from the states who wanted to certify today. As far as I know, Nevada did -- without counting provisionals, which I've been told were of sufficient quantity to tip the election.

I put in a call to Nader to request a hand count in New Hampshire, and he did it. It would be ironic, wouldn't it, if Ralph Nader rode in to save the day, demanding consumer protection hand counts -- after the Republicans tried so hard to get him on the ticket as a spoiler?

[Catherine Vincent]

172. That's okay, Bev. Thanks for all that you do.

We can wait.:-)

[txindy]

173. No, no screaming.

Too fascinated. ;)

[anamandujano]

192. too awesome for words

"I put in a call to Nader to request a hand count in New Hampshire, and he did it."

---------

I guess I'll have to apologize for all (well, some) of the bad things I said about Ralph. I did, however, always hold that the guy had a great message.

[highplainsdem]

220. Bev, have you requested any help from CPSR, Computer Professionals

for Social Responsibility? Their website is http://www.cpsr.net/ .

[Jack_Dawson]

177. So Where are the Documents?

It's "tonight" and can't find a single one. PLEASE tell me this wasn't a ploy to get donations, cause Bev's post was the only thing that got me through today.

Well...that and :beer:

[oblivious]

202. I find that offensive. This is the second time you've implied this.

How many people in America and the world are praying for someone to take a leadership role in putting this all together to expose the fraud. Bev Harris is the one. She's been the one since the beginning of electronic voting. Who's worked harder to safeguard the integrity of the voting process?

And we have to listen to your sarcastic comments about this perhaps being a ploy to get donations. Sickening.

[Poll_Blind]

213. Jack, do you know how tirelessly Bev has been working?

To imply that this is some sort of scam, that after working for us for years and never hitting people up for cash that now, when she's filed the largest FOIA request in history (which costs money, educate yourself if you dare) that this....is part of some ploy to get cash?

Are you telling us about your own motivations more than hers?

PB

[Ladyhawk]

178. Thank you, Bev. I donated.

Tell us if you need more. I will go very far into debt to save this country.

Also, I authored a thread where I am gathering information. I'm still letting the information flow in as things change. At some point, though I'll have to finalize what goes onto my informational CD. I'd like to talk with you about the most important things to include. Of course, this may have to wait as you are extremely busy.

I may just to a simple CD in the meantime. That makes sense. That's what I'll do.

Bless you.

Please help us. We have no leader and we are afraid.

[BUSHOUT]

182. Can you tell me if these Florida numbers are real or not?

They show a strange pattern, and I've been encouraging others to email the media. If they're real, they seem significant.

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

thanks

[ethereal]

193. kick n/m

[BevHarris]

205. They appear to be real. Worse:

The secretary of state posted them as the "final results" without doing a thing to check into the anomaly, which is just about mathmatically impossible.

This is one of the lead stories we are working on today, with analysis and followup FOIA requests, plus lawyers to push things along if we can get them. When the story is simplified into sound bites and "what this means" we'll be pushing it into the hands of editors and other influential types.

What we do not have right now is a database of politicals to send this kind of stuff to. I am getting calls from people who are connected straight up to the top, but they tend to want customized reports on the spot, all dressed up with a bow on top. We do not have the infrastructure to stop and do different kinds of customized white papers on the spot, and therefore need to be able to send immediately to a database of politicos who can quickly feed one report at a time up the ladder.

If anyone has an Excel spreadsheet with sets of political party people, advisors, or otherwise connected individuals, it will help very much to contribute that via email now.

Send to [e-mail]

Bev

[SeveneightyWhoa]

194. Bev Harris for President!

No joke.
HARRIS-STEPHENSON, 2008.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

195. Or perhaps..

...2012, if she happens to save this one.

[Vadem]

196. Yay Bev!! I donated today........

$50 to blackboxvoting.org. What is a few more bucks on the plastic, eh? Keep up the great work Bev and Andy!

[loudsue]

199. We can wait 'til tomorrow!! Just keep up the good work!! GO BEV!!!!

Slinking around certification processes are one way we're going to show how come the machines aren't kosher....so this is good supporting evidence.

Do we have people working on that Nevada certification problem? Is there someone in their government that is on our side (Governor, Atty General, Sec of State? Anyone??) that could nip this certification in the bud until we can get in there? They sure seemed to be in an awfully big hurry to certify, no?

Tonite on Bill Maher, Susan Sarandon was AWARE OF THE BBV FRAUD!!! Bill Maher was his usual uninformed self, concerning the big issues. He still blames the Dems....his usual stuff. I hope he has to eat his friggin' words when he finds out that the Dems won, fair and square, and the repukes were the thieving bastards they've always been. Of course, Bill had a rough night tonite -- the repuke talking heads were TOTALLY out of touch with reality of any kind, and were all over Bill. The audience was just dumb-struck...especially at my house.

Just wait 'til all this comes out in the mainstream!!!

:kick::kick::kick:

[B Calm]

203. I urge everyone to click the blackbox link in Bev's original

message and donate. Please help save democracy....

[lateo]

204. Bev - I am a computer security professional.

I am the local communications director of NICISSA. We are the Northern Indiana branch chapter of the ISSA organization.

http://www.nicissa.org/index.php

http://www.issa.org/


That is our website address. If you want us to help I can ask the other officers if they want to check this out and publish a paper on it. I think they will be more than willing to look at it.

Send me a private message and I will send you details on how to get in touch with us.

[leftchick]

209. kick

:kick:

[BevHarris]

210. Because we have a minimal staff, can you email me?

This is how we are retaining, sorting and prioritizing incoming offers of help. Others tend to get lost, and I don't have time to email out because we are pulled in many directions at once, with the top priority being media and taking/checking out anomaly reports.

send to [e-mail] or [e-mail] (the latter fills up, though)

We then need to send you information and obtain you or your group's formal input on it, with names and positions. We have lots of people willing to help but NOT go public. They all give us the same appalling feedback. They include some officials who are supposed to be recommending voting systems. What is frustrating, and kind of disgusting as far as the public officials go, is that they keep saying "this is off the record, I can't go public in my official capacity because it would jeopardize my job."

Asking them if they'd rather lose their job or lose their democracy doesn't seem to work. Security people with guts (especially ex-Microsoft network security guys) we really need you IF you are willing to go public.


Bev

[lateo]

217. Bev

email is coming your way shortly.

[cthrumatrix]

227. kick

[Spiffarino]

206. Bev!! We've been waiting for you, girl!

You are the greatest hope we have for exposing this election for the sham it is. The discrepancies between votes cast and voters is too great in too many places for this to have been real.

Please, please, please help us!!!

[cthrumatrix]

207. All I can say is thank you...very very much

[B Calm]

211. KICK!!!

[neohippie]

218. Bev, Is there another way to send you money other than credit cards?

I don't use them. I didn't see anything on your site. I would like to mail you a check or send a donation via paypal.

I think that it is important that we support the cost of all of your efforts.

[NewJeffCT]

222. go to Bev's website

Sorry, don't have the exact URL... but, they have an address where you can send checks to...

[leftchick]

223. Here you go....

you can mail a check to:

Black Box Voting
330 SW 43rd St
PMB K-547
Renton, WA 98055

http://blackboxvoting.org/

[B Calm]

225. Her site has the directions to how you go about sending a check

[bear425]

226. Thank you, thank you for all your hard work!

:kick:

[txindy]

228. Kicking

:kick:

[Kurovski]

229. the laughter is most encouraging indeed.

I can almost see you rubbing your hands together.

[Keirsey]

231. Thanks, Bev, Randi, and fellow DUers

a :kick:

and a donation

[Keirsey]

232. BBV Fight Club

Tyler Durden says- it is only after you've lost everything that you are free to do anything.

[ethereal]

236. kick n/m

[Ladyhawk]

237. We need more info...a new thread.

We're hungry for knowledge.

[Darth_Kitten]

238. Yes. FRAUD.

:)

Best of luck, Bev. :)