The election was stolen?

[LiberalEconomist]

Then counting "all the votes," recounting and investigating don't amount to a hill of shit. As Joseph Stalin said, "all that matters is who counts the votes." We have to be the ones that "count the votes." Yeah, US Senate and House seats are important. But, what is more important--especially in the near future--is to take over the Secretary of State offices in as many pink and red states as we can. With our people in power, they can either scrap the touch screen machines, and take steps to prevent or drastically reduce "ballot spoilage" in democratic precincts. If we control the election offices in these states, we will see more and more of our candidates taking office.

[bullimiami]

1. yes it was stolen

remember milosevic and yugoslavia? people dont have to accept a fraudulant election. they can deny it.

we just step out and say, no way.

[LiberalEconomist]

2. It doesn't matter whether it was stolen or not

we must control the electoral mechanism throughout this country.

[LaReservaPr]

3. Machine Error Gives Bush Extra Ohio Votes

Machine Error Gives Bush Extra Ohio Votes

1 hour, 56 minutes ago
Yahoo News

COLUMBUS, Ohio - An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush (news - web sites) 3,893 extra votes in suburban Columbus, elections officials said.



Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes to Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites)'s 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.


Bush actually received 365 votes in the precinct, Matthew Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections, told The Columbus Dispatch.


State and county election officials did not immediately respond to requests by The Associated Press for more details about the voting system and its vendor, and whether the error, if repeated elsewhere in Ohio, could have affected the outcome.


Bush won the state by more than 136,000 votes, according to unofficial results, and Kerry conceded the election on Wednesday after acknowledging that 155,000 provisional ballots yet to be counted in Ohio would not change the result.


The Secretary of State's Office said Friday it could not revise Bush's total until the county reported the error.


The Ohio glitch is among a handful of computer troubles that have emerged since Tuesday's elections.


In one North Carolina county, more than 4,500 votes were lost because officials mistakenly believed a computer that stored ballots electronically could hold more data than it did. And in San Francisco, a malfunction with custom voting software could delay efforts to declare the winners of four races for county supervisor.


In the Ohio precinct in question, the votes are recorded onto a cartridge. On one of the three machines at that precinct, a malfunction occurred in the recording process, Damschroder said. He could not explain how the malfunction occurred.


Damschroder said people who had seen poll results on the election board's Web site called to point out the discrepancy. The error would have been discovered when the official count for the election is performed later this month, he said.


The reader also recorded zero votes in a county commissioner race on the machine.


Workers checked the cartridge against memory banks in the voting machine and each showed that 115 people voted for Bush on that machine. With the other machines, the total for Bush in the precinct added up to 365 votes.


Meanwhile, in San Francisco, a glitch occurred with software designed for the city's new "ranked-choice voting," in which voters list their top three choices for municipal offices. If no candidate gets a majority of first-place votes outright, voters' second and third-place preferences are then distributed among candidates who weren't eliminated in the first round.


When the San Francisco Department of Elections tried a test run on Wednesday of the program that does the redistribution, some of the votes didn't get counted and skewed the results, director John Arntz said.


"All the information is there," Arntz said. "It's just not arriving the way it was supposed to."


A technician from the Omaha, Neb. company that designed the software, Election Systems & Software Inc., was working to diagnose and fix the problem.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041105/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems

[LiberalEconomist]

5. Good, but if the Ohio Secretary of State were a Democrat

rather that a "meshling" the press would have more access, and many of these "mistakes" may not have happened. I mean a real Democrat, not a Waffen SS plant like we had in Florida 2000.

[DUreader]

4. Bull: Investigating and recounting could do plenty

prove fraud and some SOSs might lose their jobs,

election outcomes may be changed.

You offer fuck-all that is positive with this.

If the fraud is not exposed you will never take over the positions

you call for.

get real.

[gmaki]

6. Right and if one more incident could be uncovered in Ohio

Like the one in that article people could start going on TV and speculating about it being systematic.

We need hard evidence of SYSTEMATIC fraud and the it needs to be repeated over and over and over.

[LiberalEconomist]

8. You want to tell me that the Bush loving media will allow a

turn around? Maybe it will, I don't know anymore. But my original point stands: we, the Democrats, need to take over the electoral apparatus in all states to allow ourselves a fighting chance in the future.

[DUreader]

9. how can you do it, when it is rigged by them, I'm thinking you're B.S.

you offer nothing but discouragement

[LiberalEconomist]

15. A problem with the American education system

You seem to know how to read but not comprehend the words. Oh well. You may be blinded by your cause as every fringe group that has infected this party. Hey look, don't give up hope. We can win this. Yeah, we can win. We just have to write some emails and send out some faxes and donate some money to somebody or another. La la la, skip, skip, skip. Man this is weirder than any of my acid trips.

[DireStrike]

7. Not exposing the fraud would be a grave mistake.

We need to call a spade a spade here. We can't be the party of political maneuvering. We need to stand for something.

And of course we'll focus on getting Dems in where it counts.

[sonicx]

10. Those are good goals. Now, tell us how to reach them, please.

[Dandy]

11. The nomination was stolen, not the election

Howard Dean at the beginning was allowed to set the agenda for this election campaign in but was never to be allowed by the Democratic Party leadership to be the nominee. He was allowed to carry the fight against President Bush, because he had supporters and money, until John Kerry could get the money to fight for the nomination. Dean supporters were duped into believing that Kerry won the nominate honestly and then his supporters were again brow beaten into supporting Kerry in the general election. Now the talk is about Harold Ickes being the new Democratic Chairman. Howard Dean would be a good choice and wants it but wait and see, he won't even be considered for the job. Dean supporters stab in the back again. All their hard work and money for nothing because the Democratic party will never accept Howard Dean as a leader in the party.

[Swamp Rat]

13. Welcome to DU

[Abelman]

14. IF that happens

I'll be ignoring the DNC and supporting Democrats solely through DFA.

[GreenPartyVoter]

12. Start here

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