To the conservatives...please don't call us 'immoral'

[SuffragetteSal]

To indicate that the Democrats lost the presidential election because of our 'moral values' is just lubricious to me and perhaps even uncontitutional. I might also add smells fishy from the Dan Quayle years when 'family values' were the two important operative catch words uttered a million times.

As a democrat and a Christian I must protest the moral values accusations. I am afraid the Republicans are using inappropropriately the words 'moral values' when they really mean their own homophobic values. Because the more left leaning voters might want to give our same sex citizens the right to a civil union or even the constitutional right to be married does not make us immoral. In fact the tradition of values I believe stems quite close to the origination of the U.S. Constitution...allowing freedom for all. But here in the 21st century that obviously is being interpreted quite differently.

Please, please don't call me immoral because I might believe that others have the right to make their own choices. For instance, I don't smoke, but I reserve the right for others to, if they so choose. I may not feel I could have an abortion, but that does not mean I want to deprive other women of that choice. And even my favorite example: I don't own a gun but I reserve the right for you to own one or one hundred guns, if you so choose.

Please don't call me immoral because I take a nonviolent stance. I truly believe in my heart there is a way to settle differences instead of 'bombing them off the face of the earth' or "shock and awing them". My choice to believe that even after all other ways have been exhausted, violence is never the answer to a problem. I don't believe it is a 'moral value' to enter a country and maime and kill innocent people, horrifically torture prisoners of war or accidentally blow the arms and legs off peasant children.

Please don't call me immoral because I may want to use all my constitutional rights, you know the ones, Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to gather in protest etc. Perhaps the name callers need a refresher course in the U.S. Constitution.

Please don't call me immoral because I believe every human being has a right to food, shelter, education and health care. If that means I pay pennies out of every hard earned dollar to help that happen, whatever needs to be done to help alleviate the pain and suffering of others, I will gladly do.

Do these sound like 'immoral values' to you?

[papau]

1. Well said :-)

:toast:

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

2. I do not accept their judgement.

The book that they say they represent specifically tells them that judgement is not theirs. Mote, log and all that.

Moreover, I will not countenance their judgement. They just have no right.

[SemperEadem]

3. repuke interpretation: moral values=intolerant values

they are intolerant.. there is no morality in being intolerant.

it is straight up pride-ful. Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before the fall. Their own bibles tell them that, but they choose to ignore that little detail.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

4. I'd change one thing.

Remove the word "please" from your entire essay.
You make excellent points, and they are truthful, but be proud of your beliefs. Don't ever, ever, ever say "please" to a republican again.

[CarolynEC]

11. Ditto. n/t

[UNIXcock]

5. "Best Thread Ever"

... I hate being labeled "immoral". Tell that to my kids that have a strict 9:00PM curfew unless it's a special evening, and a standard threshold for their school grades, and my wife that works with the church parishioners to promote financial responsibility and abstinence before marriage with youngsters, or our measly monthly tithing to the indigenous homeless, set back by bad economic times.

...Shame on you glass-house stone-throwers!

[ncbiker]

10. This is what I'm talking about

We can turn this whole morality thing on the Repugs heads. Just pound away the kinds of messages you just posted and we win

[Beer Snob-50]

6. Amen!!

We have to hand it to the republicans for highjacking the term "moral values" and make it their own. If anyone wants to call me immoral for believing in the golden rule than I am the most immoral man on the face of the earth. Tommorrow I am going to a seminar for those teaching religious education in my church and I signed up for a course on "social justice". I am interested to see what their take on this subject is.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

7. eloquently stated!

[MatrixEscape]

8. Well said!

The strategy you are addressing is, to me, clearly a proto-Fascist campaign to dehumanize the opposition. Once that is fully realized then any actions taken are seen as justified.

We need to keep with a theme of our commonality. That is, both sides are HUMAN and nothing less. Both sides may see things in a polarized way, but they are certainly more alike than not in many ways.

Once we cross the line and the image makes a form of Goyim out of those who oppose the Radical Right-wing Republicans, then proto-Fascism becomes the real thing.

That does require that those on our side of the equation stick to the human factor issue and apply it to them, no matter how we feel. I see that as an important way to prevent, or stem, the progression of what is now developing.

[SuffragetteSal]

12. Find our common ground!

Thank you for your reply and your words regarding finding our commonality...

I would like to quote John Edwards from his post election speech:

One thing you can count on in life is heartache and struggle. But the good and strong will endure. Choose to be inspired. Keep eternal hope.

We are in danger of division...find a common ground. Begin healing. Hope and vision for a better world.

Strength and courage. Work together. We need unity to advance thsoe values. Join together and stand together to make a difference...

[LisaLynne]

9. Beautiful ... just beautiful.

:thumbsup: