REMEMBER!!!! "We are ".ORG." BlackBoxVoting".COM" is a deceptively

[Zinfandel]

"NOTE:
We are ".ORG."
BlackBoxVoting".COM"
is a deceptively
designed site,
not affiliated
with Bev Harris,
nor with
Black Box Voting Inc."

Please, please, DONATE AT Bev Harris' --
www.blackboxvoting.org !!! --- ".ORG."

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

1. i just sent some money

I hope it went through

[Old and In the Way]

2. I got a blank screen after doing the transaction....when I went back

and resubmitted, I got a duplicate transaction message....so the 1st one took.

[Zinfandel]

3. Check your email after you donate for correct confirmation.

[On the Road]

4. I Just Donated, Too

[blm]

5. Get off David's back. He's a good man and worked hard

to get BBV out there.

Why let personality clashes cloud your judgement of good people?

Noone wishes Bev ill, and in fact want her to be successful. Try showing some magnamity towards the other person who risked so much for the issue - David Allen.

It's childish and petty to accuse blackboxvoting.com of being deceptive when David started the site for the book in the first place and also directs those who want to donate to Bev to her site.

Spreading disinfo about David is unproductive and unnecessarily cruel and petty.

This issue needs both of their efforts and all they bring with them. Stick to that issue.

[Luminous Animal]

8. Unfortunately,

The word "deceptive" comes straight off Bev's site. In spirit, I support both but prefer to work with local activists, both in time and money, than expend efforts on such childishness.

[Melinda]

9. Agreed - this is the kind of devisive shit that drove/keeps many away

blm is right - stop it.

[Wickerman]

6. I don't see them as being deceptive

here is the can't miss disclaimer on the page.

Important!
We are NOT affiliated with Bev Harris!!!
The Black Box Voting Project, Plan Nine Publishing and David Allen are no longer affiliated with Bev Harris, nor she with us. Though we continue to make the BBV book available and David Allen''s name appears on the book, any donation here is used to defray our expenses, not hers or her foundation. If you wish to help Bev out, please go to her web site, www.blackboxvoting.ORG.

As Harris is currently solicting funds and there has been some confusion, we have removed our PayPal buttons to avoid any problem.

[blm]

10. This is absolute proof of David Allen's integrity. He's a class act.

.

[Wickerman]

11. not my intent to get in the middle of that hornet's nest

but I do think David should get the props for shutting down his PP link during Bev's fundraising. I'll leave the rest of the discussion for others to work out. Hopefully that will done mentally and not on the pages of DU. again.

:)

[Chili]

7. I think we crashed the site...

[Kelvin Mace]

12. Just so you know

I have fielded dozens of phones calls today from people looking to get to Bev's site. When it crashed under the weight of the traffic, people started calling me to ask for what happened and where they could send money. I took the time to give each one of them the physical address and contact info for Bev's PayPal account because...

(If I may be allowed a bit of sarcasm here)

...that's just the kind of "deceitful" person I am.

Again, may I ask to you to kindly STOP libeling me?

David Allen

[B. P. R. D.]

13. David, Can Donations Be Made To Your Site?

I want my money going to a good cause with honest leadership. Don't let the attacks bother you, we know the score.

[Kelvin Mace]

14. Not at the moment

via PayPal. I took down my PayPal link to avoid confusing people and refunded the money of several folks who gave me money by mistake.

David

[Medium Baby Jesus]

15. No thanks n/t

[Boredtodeath]

16. Let's talk about deception

From: talion ([e-mail])
Subject: Re: The President's Cigar
Newsgroups: talk.bizarre
Date: 1998/09/12

Apparently someone has found the smoking pun. A Renton Washington-based marketing firm, has already begun selling THE PRESIDENTIAL CIGAR.

"We selected a large-size cigar known in the industry as an El Presidente," says owner Bev Harris. The five-dollar collector cigars, which feature an official gold seal and a Billy-C image, measure an impressive (in the cigar industry, anyway) six inches long, with a respectable 50-ring size circumference.
http://www.google.com/groups?q=Bev+Harris+cigar&hl=en&lr=lang_en&selm=35FAA38E.5E71%40ix.netcom.com&rnum=1

From: talion ([e-mail])
Subject: Smoking pun discovered!
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
Date: 1998/09/12

A Renton Washington-based marketing firm, has already begun selling THE PRESIDENTIAL CIGAR. (This is for real).

"We selected a large-size cigar known in the industry as an El Presidente," says Talion president Bev Harris. Talion's five-dollar collector cigars, which feature an official gold seal and a Billy-C image, measure an impressive (in the cigar industry, anyway) six inches long, with a respectable 50-ring size circumference.
http://www.google.com/groups?q=Bev+Harris+cigar&hl=en&lr=lang_en&selm=35FA9A45.27B3%40ix.netcom.com&rnum=4

To this day Bev has NEVER provided proof of any services rendered. In fact she admits that I am due more services, which she has yet to provide. (FACT: I am due at least 2 more email blasts as well as a minimum of 600 media calls. That is provided she can show me the call logs for the 400 calls she previously claimed were made.) As a matter of fact when I spoke with her early in June, 2003, she told me that because of all the difficulties I'd had she would re-do the entire publicity package I had paid her for! She also said that she would personally make ALL the media calls herself. This sounded just to good to be true. In fact it is; she will no longer answer my emails or phone calls. I have tried repeatedly to contact her. The one time I did get through to her she made an excuse about going to a meeting, and said she would call me later that day at 4:30 PM. I sit here writing this over a week later. She never called me back, and there are many unanswered emails I have sent her.
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