2004 Vote Fraud: The Big Picture

[JackRiddler]

(This is a re-working of a response on some other post, but worthy of starting its own.)

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A bunch of black-op fascists took power a few years ago, in the form of the old old CIA/neocon mob around Bush. They openly stole the last election after losing it, and reaped nothing but rewards for it - trillions!

They have lied about everything, habitually, stolen everything they can, compulsively, and gotten away with all of it, triumphally.

They have sunk this country into a world war in a time of economic meltdown and resource depletion, most likely after having engineered the bloody pretext (that's 9/11 to you).

They're getting ready to do mental health screening on everyone - this is the "New America Initiative" sponsored by Bush, look it up or just go here:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040729101126355

They're preparing to strike uke Iran, Syria and probably North Korea, all of which given the present distribution of forces worldwide spells n-u-c-l-e-a-r.

On the other hand, they know their exposure is huge and an ultimate reckoning against them possible, given how bad things are about to get. And I'm not talking about them losing an election somewhere down the line, but something closer to the guillotine.

This is not like 1992, when the Bush mob knew they had nothing to fear from a touch of regime rotation. Kerry was surely as reliable as Clinton not to go after them, but the circumstances will be very different when, as is likely, Iraq collapses, the dollar goes and the depression begins officially next year.

These guys need to hold on to power for immunity from prosecution.

Meanwhile, their foot soldiers think they are the Party of God, and many of these yahoos believe everyone who's not pro-Bush is a lethal traitor in a time of war with Evildoers Unspecified. Plenty of them are tanked up on Christian Dominionism and sheer revulsion at gays, and surprise, surprise, the Sec'y State of Ohio comes out of that belief system (fundamentalist, Heritage Foundation connections, led the charge on the gay marriage ban proposition in the state).

Did I mention that the entire country was always a banana republic with big mafias in charge of every industry, and little mafias in charge of pretty much every county? War and Real Estate made America, baby.

In that context, you think vote fraud isn't child's play? What is mere vote fraud, compared to "losing" 2.1 trillion dollars, or engineering a 9/11, or peppering a continent with depleted uranium, or planning the next generation of micro-nukes for safe use everywhere, or gearing up for World War 5, 6 and 7?

You're the Bush mob, and you're already lying about Saddam backing 9/11 and you being the moral choice for Christians and blah blah...

All of that, and you're not going to do your damndest to steal it again?

All you need is to be sufficiently in control - and you can rely on

-all the wishful-thinking nice people of this country to remain in denial as always about the reality of America;

-the media to fairly and balanced-ly sweeten up anything that seems funny as "irregularities" among the well-meaning bumblers who make this country so good;

-the "Opposition" to do its usual, supine routine (which actually requires only one character at the top to pretend it's all for the nation's best if the votes aren't counted after all).

And the suspicion of vote fraud, the Oldest Scam in Democracy in this oldest of democratic nations, is now receiving the usual exoticizing characterization of "conspiracy theory," as though there's anything complex or unusual about it.

You want to call Tammany Hall or the Daly family a "conspiracy theory"? Machine fraud is just the latest, greatest variation on the ancient theme.

As for the deniers at DU ... I remember DU deniers on black box voting in the first place, on even the mildest LIHOP for 9/11, on the almost-certain Wellstone assassination... Usually a majority come to their senses.

Discuss.

[libra]

1. You are so right.

Well said.

[roseBudd]

2. But newspapers covet Pulitzers

we should play the newspapers against each other, they all want a scoop and scandal sells lots of papers as do disasters

[JackRiddler]

3. I do think there is hope in that.

No chance of a result reversal, but a spate of these stories can put sufficient drag on the mob's momentum to help do them in through later exposures. House of Bush is a House of Cards that Kerry could have toppled but didn't, and is actually more vulnerable to toppling now that the "partisan" season, with all its extra denialism, is behind us. Many who had material on these guys and hesitated to strike until now will do so as the drama of the coming months unfolds.

It's the Machiavelli in me talking. Ö gasp ;)-

[roseBudd]

9. Just do it. Vote fraud is a felony

Newspapers are the only entity with the resources. reporters cultivate sources, they research, they dig.

If it weren't for a newspaper in SW Ohio we would not know what Warren County did.

Kerry campaign was in Warren doing extensive GOTV, there is no way they got over 70% with no improvement for dems when the dems had nothing in Warren in 2000.

Bush only won the state by 130,000

There are at least 130,000 provisional ballots.

I can not do this myself as I am an insider

[JackRiddler]

10. huh?

You can't do this because you're an insider?

Well that's the perfect position to start pushing the envelope, is it not?

[roseBudd]

11. no my boss told me to be very careful no one even saw me GOTVing

we are supposed to be nonpartisan and the paper I work for endorses GOP. That is the editorial/publisher side of the business. At another paper two reporters got suspended just because they attended the Vote for Change concert.

Reporters and their editors are who come up with the ideas for stories. The paper in SW Ohio that broke the Warren County BoE story had a debacle several years ago when they did an investigative piece on Chiquita using stolen voice mail messages. The parent company had to pay 5 million to Chiquita

Chiquita is owned by Carl Linder who owns Great American Ball park which is where Bush had his Oct. 31 rally. Lindner gave Bush 1 million

[MSgt213]

4. Why is everybody so afraid to find if there was really fraud or not?

I don't get it. If there wasn't fraud then you can put to rest everyones fears and shut at least most of up. Instead its okay to accuse each other of fraud and that's enough.

[smirkymonkey]

6. There seems to be a lot of contempt prior to investigation

Why are people so willing to just roll over? I really don't understand it.

[JackRiddler]

7. ... indeed ...

This is find-outable, if not actionable, and well worth the effort even if nothing turns up, because we SHOULD ALL have a skeptical attitude to government and authority in all contexts. This is what this country is supposedly based upon.

And vote fraud always leaves a trail.

My point in the above essay is about the overall context: regardless of whether Americans really gave Bush a majority overall and in Ohio in particular, there is NO DOUBT the Bush crew would have wanted to guarantee this election, by whatever means, and especially in a context of a close vote, preparing to steal it would have been consistent with both, their criminal track record, and with all the other things they were doing to win at all costs.

If they didn't plan to steal this one, it would be very much against their grain.

The exit polling discrepancies are dramatic: states with e-voting have huge variances to Bush's favor, those without have none.

If there is any real press left, there should at least be a wave of stories about ALL irregularities, regardless of whether significant fraud is established.

We'll see.

Here are some interesting signs that things are stirring...

Currently on Yahoo news, AP wire (Friday, Nov 5, 2004 @ 14:21 EDT)
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041105/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems&cid=694&ncid=2043

Presidential Elections - AP
Machine Error Gives Bush Extra Ohio Votes

11 minutes ago

By JOHN McCARTHY, Associated Press Writer

COLUMBUS, Ohio - An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush (news - web sites) 3,893 extra votes in suburban Columbus, elections officials said.

Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes to Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites)'s 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct. Bush's total should have been recorded as 365.

Bush won the state by more than 136,000 votes, according to unofficial results, and Kerry conceded the election on Wednesday after saying that 155,000 provisional ballots yet to be counted in Ohio would not change the result.

Deducting the erroneous Bush votes from his total could not change the election's outcome, and there were no signs of other errors in Ohio's electronic machines, said Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041105/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems&cid=694&ncid=2043

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Greg Palast: Kerry Won
http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=392&row=0

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Here's a more conventional approach, in the heavily Republican Warren County:

http://www.michigancityin.com/articles/2004/11/04/news/news02.txt

Friday, November 5, 2004

Warren's vote tally walled off
Alone in Ohio, officials cited homeland security


By Erica Solvig
Enquirer staff writer


LEBANON - Citing concerns about potential terrorism, Warren County officials locked down the county administration building on election night and blocked anyone from observing the vote count as the nation awaited Ohio's returns.

County officials say they took the action Tuesday night for homeland security, although state elections officials said they didn't know of any other Ohio county that closed off its elections board. Media organizations protested, saying it violated the law and the public's rights. The Warren results, delayed for hours because of long lines that extended voting past the scheduled close of polls, were part of the last tallies that helped clinch President Bush's re-election.

"The media should have been permitted into the area where there was counting," Enquirer attorney Jack Greiner said. "This is a process that should be done in complete transparency and it wasn't."

Warren County Emergency Services Director Frank Young said he had recommended increased security based on information received from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Bureau of Investigation in recent weeks.

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From Indiana: sorry, lost the URL

Computer glitch still baffles county clerk


By Kristin Miller, The News-Dispatch

LaPORTE - The day after a two-and-a-half-hour delay in counting ballots due to a glitch in a computer program, LaPorte County election officials are still trying to figure out what happened.

"Maybe there was a power surge," LaPorte County Clerk Lynne Spevak said. "Something zapped it."

At about 7 p.m. Tuesday, it was noticed that the first two or three printouts from individual precinct reports all listed an identical number of voters. Each precinct was listed as having 300 registered voters.

That means the total number of voters for the county would be 22,200, although there are actually more than 79,000 registered voters.

Vote counting resumed at about 9:30 p.m.

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There are also the North Carolina stories...

[JackieO]

5. New American Initiative

Take your med$ or else, America!

These guys are gonna make it reeeeal easy for EVERYBODY to become a revolutionary...

[JackRiddler]

8. Hey JackieO, what up?

Remember me. I loved ya madly, though it turns out you didn't quite look like JackieO. ö ö ö

[JackRiddler]

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