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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:42 PM
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In Defense of JOHN KERRY (and how we WON long-term)
A great point of view by Democratic strategist John Belasarius. My take is that, yes, there were some major mistakes in the campaign, but no campaign is perfect. There's no reason to think any other candidate wouldn't have made any mistakes, and in any event the campaign's mistakes were matched by Bush disasters (the debates) and the news cycle. In the end, it was tied and we lost on turnout. Clearly, there are things that need to be done, but I think we also have to stop for a second and consider the good things that Kerry and Edwards did in this campaign.

This post from emergingdemocraticmajority.com sums it up perfectly:

http://www.emergingdemocraticmajorityweblog.com/donkeyrising/archives/000926.php

No, it’s not just that Dems came within 3% of winning a very tough election. That alone is a very real and important accomplishment, but it’s not the key.

The real point is that if the Democrats are serious about the long-tem goal of building a broad and enduring democratic majority then getting 51% of the vote is not always the right test of a particular campaign’s success. Sometimes you have to lose an election to build the foundation for later victory.

<snip>

Last December, the Democratic party was internally divided, unsure about its message, uncertain how to talk about war and foreign affairs, financially dependent on donations from corporations and affluent donors and only beginning to build a grass-roots voter mobilization campaign. There was great anger and energy among the party’s core supporters, but it seemed extremely unlikely that the party as a whole would be able to agree upon a message, unite around a candidate and mount a serious challenge to a personally popular wartime president whose approval ratings hovered close to 60%.

<snip>

Kerry and Edwards then provided the Democratic Party with a politically viable moderate-progressive message - one that had been eluding the party for years. In foreign affairs it combined basic patriotism and support for the troops with brutally sharp and honest criticism of the Administration’s disastrous foreign policy. In domestic affairs, it combined a cautious but sincere economic populism with greater fiscal responsibility then the Republican administration.

<snip>

The truth is that in presidential elections the Democrats have basically been a minority party since 1968, when George Wallace cut deeply into the Dems blue-collar support in Michigan and the other industrial states as well as the South. In 1972, when the Republicans played the “Real Majority” vs. the “Elitists” game against the Dems for the first time, Nixon got 60% of the vote to McGovern’s 37%. Carter won a narrow victory in 1976 but look at the record since then.

1980 Jimmy Carter 41% vs. Reagan+Anderson 57%
1984 Walter Mondale 41% vs. Reagan 59%
1988 Michael Dukakis 46% vs. Bush Sr. 53%
1992 Bill Clinton 43% vs Bush+Perot 56%

Democrats never got anywhere even close to 50% of the vote until Clinton’s reelection campaign in 1996 (Clinton 49%, Dole/Perot 49%) and Gore’s 2000 run (Gore 48%, Bush 48%).

But in both of these latter campaigns the Democrats were running as incumbents or former Vice-Presidents, not as challengers. 2004 was the first time a Democrat ran as a challenger in more then a decade and Kerry faced a President who had, at the outset, high approval ratings, the patriotic fervor of an apparently successful war behind him, the overt support of one of the major TV networks, and the most extensive grass-roots voter mobilization the Republican Party had ever fielded.

And yet Kerry and Edwards came closer to unseating their opponent and closer to winning 50% of the vote then had any Democratic challengers in the last three decades.

<snip>

The Dems lost an election. OK, it happens.

But the Dems haven’t been defeated, not at all.

They’ve just been slowed down.





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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:44 PM
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1. He didn't deliever on the promise of lawyers to watchdog in
ohio and florida.

I don't give a shit about whatever else the Dems whine about now. He shouldn't have backed out on that promise.

Now we will get this exposed without him
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:49 PM
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6. RE: Now we will get this exposed without him
Maybe the PLAN is to keep him out of the fight... "clean" if you will...

It's not like people weren't aware before the election that Fraud was going to happen. Somebody must have done a little advance thinking about how to handle this scenario.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:29 PM
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11. You know, that's exactly what I was thinking. He must know that
a lot of us aren't going to take this lying down. However, if he spearheads the movement, he risks not only his own reputation but that of the Democratic party.

However, if there are groups like Bev's and others doing the dirty work, kind of stealth like, we will still get the desired results without the media being able to do a hatchet job on Kerry, Edwards and the Democratic Party.

I hope I am right, because if I'm not I will be seriously disappointed in him.
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:46 PM
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2. I disagree. Our entire platform was relative to Bush.
The only thing I can think of is medicare, where Kerry had a good plan. In other areas, our platform was that we could govern on Bush's ideas better than Bush could. Fully fund No Child Left Behind. Be more effective at setting up democracy in Iraq, etc.

I want a party with ideas other than "Republicans are incompetent."
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:47 PM
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3. Kerry did an outstanding job. Superb. He had * shaking in his shoes.
Actually, I really DO think we won, that Rove pulled off some very smooth fraud, together with the election officials and Secretaries of State that he owns, as well as GOP contributor Diebold.

After someone "loses" an election, it seems that everyone sets in to start playing the blame game, with a lot of eyes on the candidate. I don't buy it.

On November 2nd when we were seeing those great exit poll results, NONE of us thought they could NOT be true because, after all, Kerry had made some "major mistakes." No, we knew he'd run an amazing campaign and performed amazingly well, winning all three debates. It made SENSE to everyone, incl. the GOP, that Kerry would win. It is only because the results turned out to be different that some people think that the campaign that we previously thought was a winning won is now one of "major mistakes."

Kerry did NOT lose this election. Barbra Streisand and Michael Moore did NOT lost this election. The Dem. leaders need to have a big meeting and decide what went wrong and how to win next time, what direction to go in, what to do.
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Serenades Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:49 PM
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4. !!!!!!
I think in the longrun it will be good that Kerry didn't get elected so when Bush's failures come to the forefront it can only be blamed on him. Iraq will get worse. The middle east will get worse. Our relationship with out allies and NK will get worse and the media cannot blame anyone but Bush. So, he will reap what he has sown and he will fall. Karma is coming, I just hope it doesn't take all of us down with it.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:59 PM
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7. Maybe you are correct.
I am so split on this. On one hand, I want this fight to go on and prove the fraWd we know took place. I want Kerry to take his place as our rightfully elected President.

OTOH, maybe we, the electorate that got screwed, need to get involved and fight this ourselves....expose the criminality and keep Kerry out of it. Can it be fought in a court of law? Or is the fight better served in the court of public opinion?

I honestly don't know what is going on in this whole process. I truly want to believe that the Democrat leadership will not let this slide like 2000.....they do this at their own peril.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:49 PM
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5. Man, the attempt to apologize away another stolen election is distressing.
With all the BBV, and voter suppression and intimidation, and destroyed Dem registrations, and not-fully-counted provisional and absentee ballots in OH and FL, and and and...

You'd think, after ONE stolen election, Dems would go all-out to prevent another.

Hell, I thought KERRY would. So far, it looks like I was wrong on that.

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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:02 PM
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8. Sort of like how some attempted to "apologize away"
the people who pulled off the phony Vreeland threat scam
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:15 PM
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9. And just so you know, sangh*, you're on ignore.
The sole person on my list. I got tired of your lies and smears of good people here at DU. Maybe you're angry because I made you confess that you posted as two people while pretending you weren't.

No doubt your reply to my post involves more lies. No biggie, I've talked to dozens of DUers through PMs, and we all agree that you're not worth wasting time on.

Good day.

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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:18 PM
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10. How Do You Prove the Machines Were Bad?
We voted in FL on those things with no paper trails. I wonder who has custody of the machines and whether a certain number could have been seized and analyzed. If Kerry lawyers had come here, could they have legally demanded some of them? Could they still do that? I think the answer to the election fraud is inside these machines.
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:39 PM
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12. It seems we had to sit through this same spin in 2002....
are you sure we're emerging in the correct direction? Seriously....I still remember all the political capital, errr....money Terry Mcauliffe spent in Florida to unseat Jeb. Then there were those other unfortunate races we lost. Silly me....this slow down must just be a longer process.
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