The "Flock to Canada" story

[Must_B_Free]

Is this not reminiscent of Jews fleeing Nazi Germany? especially next to the Dollar Plunge story?

Are we going to be rounded up and given "showers" by these people?

How quickly we have arrived here. It seems like the writing is on the wall.

We already have gays defined as "less than a person". We have the bin Laden messages that say the same thing as leftist consporacy theories.

Are we not being set up for the kill?

[Pachamama]

1. I've wondered in what form and when the Neo-Kristall Nacht will take place

My grandparents escaped Nazi Germany...they told me the stories of how they escaped and why they left....They weren't even Jewish, but they had dared to question the authority of the Nazi party....

My husband thinks I'm crazy...well, maybe just a little...even he is agreeing that things are looking scary right now....

[Sugarbleus]

9. OMG, your parents were escapees from Fascism???

I've learned some interesting things about you by reading your posts; but this is a bombshell.

Tell hubby, the same thing COULD happen here...and why not? No one was paying attention to the "trends" (not even me) for the past two+ decades.

I JUST posted in another thread about this same subject, and I just thought about something else to add to my line of thought; you touched on it here. Here it is:

I among many, was ENRAGED with this election fiasco. I have been ranting and raging and writing and threatening and "I WON'T CONFORM" etc etc....Anything gentle or sweet or tolerant or rational inside me went right out the top of my head in a rage.

I wrote FLAMING letters to talk show hosts, my governor, news media etc... As I listen, calmly now, to the talking heads on the tube and radio in the last 24 hrs., I hear conservatives reacting to OUR REACTING..saying 'this is what's wrong with the Liberals and they are crazy and they are evil' etc etc...

My feeling is that the more we rant, rightly or wrongly, IT MAKES THE CASE FOR THEM TO WANT TO DESTROY US.... UBER-cons are on a rampage demonizing us in some quarters already!

To wit: Your grandparents dared question the Nazi Party Authority :scared:

~~SB

[Pachamama]

18. Yes, I guess it runs in my blood to fight fascism - and to recognize it...

My grandparents are now both dead, but their stories and lessons to me live on...atleast I paid attention as it seems so many Americans are clueless to events and lessons of history within even the last 4 years...

History is rich with lessons that sadly the human population seems continuously destined to repeat the same mistakes and not learn. For years in our lifetime we have heard from prominent Jews such as Steven Spielberg and others that "we must never forget" and yet most people don't have the first clue of how fascism and the Nazi party rose to power. Tom_Paine below mentions how in just from 1932-1936, the Nazi Party and Hitler solidified their power base. My Grandparents talked to me about it and I never forgot. Their family came from a long line of Academics, Lawyers and Doctors from Bavaria and Switzerland who had dared to question such political authority and they paid a price. My Great Uncle died in Nazi custody and some family members lost their jobs as teachers and lawyers as a result of this questioning of the Nazi party. My grandparents were newlyweds at the time and because they had money in other European Bank accounts, they were able to pay their way out of the country and come to America. One of the things I have done is put some money in accounts overseas as a precaution in the event we need to leave. The other thing that they talked to me about was how as soon as people stopped questioning them, it became even more dangerous for people. There is no doubt in my mind that what we are watching is an unfolding of the very same things my Grandparents witnessed in the late 1930's forward. If we stop questioning this administration, they have won and their power will be solidified. And if we do question it, we must be prepared to suffer the consequences and to also be prepared to have to leave. History is rich with reminders of how the Intelligentsia (ie. Academics, Lawyers, Doctors etc.), Homosexuals, and other Minorities are the first to be targeted. We would all be wise to think very carefully about how we want to take care of our futures and our families while being patriotic and fighting for our country. My parents and husband's parents for example are in their 70's and will fight to the end and not go anywhere. But those of us with Pachababies realize that at some point it won't be safe for them to be here. I will never leave my country until my country has left me....but I won't let them take me either.

:kick:

[Sugarbleus]

27. Oh my, a chilling report Pacha...

I cherish your words/your story. I know you are right. I've been warned about this happening but I wanted to hang on to see if "our side" could STOP it in it's tracks.

I've been angry for days..now I'm scared. Really scared. This fascist type of takeover was so subtle, having started years ago. It seems like this:

*"The Change" started out as a tiny seed
*It grew to a sprout
*It grew into a bud..and we began to wonder..
We called it Imperialist Capitalism..wrongly
*It grew to a flower not fully blossomed....now we are awake and wonder what happens when the flower fully opens...

What happens next, I fear to imagine.

I would leave the country just so my grandchildren aren't drafted and so that my family could Simply Live in Peace...to know my tomorrow is "safe". I am poor. We have no means to flee. We are aging and sick. I fear we are doomed. I weep....

Sincerest Best Wishes to you P, :hug:

[smirkymonkey]

20. I have been thinking that for a long time now. The holocaust

didn't happen overnight. We are, for all practical purposes, a dictatorship with a nuclear arsenal. As far as the Bush Reich is concerned they have a mandate. They can do anything they want.

People are talking about the next elections. I don't think they fully appreciate what kind of monster we have on our hands. A lot can happen between now and then, and I put nothing past these bastards.

[NinetySix]

25. In the US, it will be called "Bill Kristal Nacht"

n/t

[regnaD kciN]

29. Great minds think alike...

:evilgrin:

[regnaD kciN]

28. The "Neo-Kristall Nacht"...

...shouldn't we be calling it the "Bill Kristol-nacht"...? (Or, at least, naming him that.)

;-)

[d_b]

2. I'm not fleeing shit

Bring those fucks on.

[LTRS]

6. You sure? Read this

Christian Conservatives Must Not Compromise
Voters reject liberalism, an evil ideology. - LA Times

By Frank Pastore, Former major league pitcher Frank Pastore is the afternoon host on the Christian talk-radio station KKLA, 99.5 FM.

Christians, in politics as in evangelism, are not against people or the world. But we are against false ideas that hold good people captive. On Tuesday, this nation rejected liberalism, primarily because liberalism has been taken captive by the left. Since 1968, the left has taken millions captive, and we must help those Democrats who truly want to be free to actually break free of this evil ideology.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-pastore5nov05,1,3170258.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

[d_b]

8. Pretty sure.

[SmokingJacket]

13. Holy fock. n/t

[2Design]

24. These are scary people - this is the mentality we are up against -

these are what is driving the rethugs into power

they do not understand the rethugs are willing to use them for cannon fodder

[regnaD kciN]

30. When Frank "incredibly mediocre athlete" Pastore...

...becomes a a leading voice in American politics instead of just a two-bit program host of a two-bit fundie radio station, then I will leave.

[ethereal]

32. Mandatory Drug Screening

Just dope up all those damned liberals with Happy Soma and we can be united again!

[thinkingwoman]

15. my ancestors came here 13 generations ago

before this was a country. I'm not going anywhere.

Bring. It. On. Fuckers.

Leaving is for the weak.

[jpgray]

3. Jews didn't comprise 49% of Germany's population

I don't think we have to worry about that in the immediate future.

[thinkingwoman]

16. 55 million people is a much longer hit list

than 6 million.

[tom_paine]

17. Horseshit. In 1932 Hitler got 36% of the vote

By 1936, his support was 90%+ (by likely fraudulent ballot and by the actions of his countrymen and women)

Things reach a tipping point, then rocket off in a directioon once "critical ass" is reached.

It is as much a characteristic of human endeavors (like the 36% to 90%+) as it is for acid-base titrations in chemistry or the growth curve of microorganisms on a petrie dish in biology.

It is a characteristic of the universe, I believe.

Amerika will reach a "critical mass" phase, too, when all defense of Constitution and Liberty is gone for lack of scurrying defenders.

And haven't we already begun to see it happen?

[jpgray]

19. Historical analogies are often replete with error

And yours is no exception. The Germany that Hitler took control of in the late twenties and thirties was vastly different than this country. Independent media were all over the place, unemployment was at 14% and a large segment of the population was revolutionary. The mark had gone from being valued about 4 to 1 with the dollar to being valued at 4,000,000 to 1. Utterly different economic situation, utterly different political situation. The communists actually received a large portion of the vote, whereas the coalition represented by the SPD had to deal with a history of brutal crackdowns and political murders. The situations just don't fold easily over each other--too many significant differences.

[EstimatedProphet]

23. But that DOESN'T mean that it can't happen here!

There may be many things that are different, but there are some extremely important things that are the same:

-extreme anger in the population
-a leader that believes himself infallible
-an administration that believes it has the right to attack other countries, and supress civil rights, in "self defense"
-a part of the population that considers itself victims to the other part of the population

These are dangerous trends regardless.

It may be different enough that things will not proceed the same way they did in Germany. But that doesn't mean it can't happen here.

[jpgray]

26. Some things are analogous, such as propaganda and power consolidation

Hitler's methods for that--intimidation of leftist leaders, media consolidation, a merging of state and corporate power--are very similar to those being used here. And the "shadowy outsider" propaganda that he uses to shunt blame for domestic ills and use as justification for imperialist wars is also very familiar at this point. I just don't agree at all that "we're in {proto) Nazi Germany!"

[KYDEM]

4. That is my fears also

When I read the transcript of the Bin Laden tape I thought to myself now if we repeat what we have been saying about what has been going on the last 4 years we will be said to be in agreement with the terrorist.

[Magical]

5. We already are being rounded up...

Stop Loss Order is forcing soldiers to fight against their will.
Recalling IRR soldiers in their 50's.
Draft mechanism being geared up.
Smart border and extradition treaties.

etc.

Welcome to the imperial conquest of OIL.
This shit aint' goin' away anytime soon.

I heard * say in his acceptance speech, "I'm gonna need your help" referring to Dems...which rattled in my bones as...'I'm gonna want your kids for the war.'

Over my fucking dead body asshole !

[regnaD kciN]

31. There's a HUGE difference...

...between "stop-loss orders" (or even a wholesale resumption of the draft), and rounding up all the opponents of the regime to send them to death camps.

A little perspective, please!

[Bluebear]

7. With a sizeable portion of our own party now abandoning us?

Because we "cost them the win"?

[Minstrel Boy]

10. How many Jews said "How bad can it get?"

I used to encourage Americans to stay and fight. Not anymore.

Democracy is dead, and the lights are going out.

[KYDEM]

11. Kick

n/t

[smirkymonkey]

22. Exactly. And how many Americans said the exact same

thing at the start of Bsh's 1st term?

[kayell]

12. GoCanada · Canadian Immigration For Americans (link)

This is a forum for American citizens considering emigrating to Canada to discuss issues related to the immigration and naturalization process, dual citizenship and where to work live and play in Canada. Welcome.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoCanada/

[SmokingJacket]

14. At point would you leave?

I think about that a lot. COncentration camps for Muslims? But how different is that from Guantanamo? Tanks in the streets? Too late, probably.

Shutting down the internet? What about only "certain sites"? Already happened.

Cripes.

I feel safe now, because I live in a small liberal town and no has touched my K/E signs. But I'll be holding my finger to the wind.

[NervousRex]

21. "Are we going to be rounded up and given 'showers' by these people?"

More likely we will be "baptised" with Zyklon-B.