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[AnIndependentTexan]

Read this all DU forum members and start paying attention


Colonel Richard Prouty, a very famous insider in the CIA during the sixties, and a strong proponent of the Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories, has this to say about conspiracies:

"Conspiracies are easy to formulate and execute. It is the cover-up that is hard."

www.prouty.org

Coverups all have a certain smell to them. I can smell this one a mile away. One particulary smelly aspect of any coverup is the "media blitz" planned a long time before the conspiracy happens. This is what we are seeing in effect yesterday and today about the election.

This his how Prouty knew there was a conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination. He saw huge full-blown press releases on Oswald, detailing Oswald's life, appearing in the New Zealand press when Oswald had been in police custody for only a couple of hours. This information could have only come from the US National Security organizations, and would have never been given to the press otherwise. Instead, what was given to the press was full-blown, already written articles about Oswald. Prouty recognized the fashion, style, and "smell" of the articles as being a CIA black op. He knew -- he was involved in black ops himself.

What we have seen in the last two days are a series of press releases already prepared long in advance. One of the most damning press releases is the one asking "Why are exit polls so wrong?" This article says that people started getting suspicious that exit polls were wrong when they were so off in the Florida 2000 election! This is SO ABSURD, because the exit polls were right on the money in the Florida 2000 election. As with 2004, the exit polls were off because the voting count was tampered with.

Another blatant coverup example that was CAUGHT was CNN changing their exit poll predicitons on the web for Ohio. They switched their exit poll results at 1:00 AM on Wednesday morning from showing a 2% Kerry lead in Ohio to a 1% Bush lead in Ohio. THESE WERE NOT ELECTION RESULTS, they were exit polls. You can't switch exit polls results, unless you were to take a new exit poll, which is impossible to do after the election is over. CNN did it. They are lying to us.

Another coverup we are experiencing right here in this forum is the instant flooding of the forum by freepers trying to dampen, smash down, or just deflect any discussion of the voter fraud. A lot of these posts are pretty outrageous, but a lot are very mild -- such as "we need to just accept this and move on". Now I know that a lot of regular forum members are saying this too, but the number of NEW members saying this is off the charts.

The coverup is in effect. You can smell it everywhere.

[UpsideDownFlag]

1. try posting this again, except not at 3AM.

lol.

[billbuckhead]

4. All this "values" crap in the media is a smokescreen for BBV FRAUD!

[PretzelzRule]

23. EXACTLY

n/t

[Lorien]

63. Obvious to most of us, but not the TV junkies.

[AnIndependentTexan]

5. I'll bump it up when I wake up tomorrow don't worry

[Blue_Roses]

9. I'll bump it one for ya now!

excellent and spot on! I know what you mean about the freeper crap. I spent over an hour fighting with one about a word. Yep, a word that they took out of context to frame the debate away from my initial post. Fraud. I'm so damn naive'. :mad: I should have caught it first off...

[Sara Beverley]

69. And don't forget the cover up of 9/11.

ID and bios of all 19 terrorists withing 48 hours and the hijackers carried false passports? How is that done?

[JohnnyCougar]

2. CNN started with the coverup

by changing the exit poll numbers. How can Kerry lose votes when more voters are added?

[Chili]

11. do you think CNN is actively trying to cover up election fraud?

I don't think I would go quite that far... I WOULD, say, however, that they were pressured to change their exit polling data by the White House - THAT I definitely would say, because I was watching when they were talking about pressure from the White House to call Ohio, New Mexico and Nevada for Bush, and on Ohio and NM, both CNN and ABC refused, and explained why they wouldn't do it over and over. They even bristled a little at the pressure (shockingly, yes, including Wolf Blitzer), and so did Jennings, who was a little indignant about it - he was definitely sporting a "who do they think they are?" attitude. I'm not absolving the networks by any means, I've been screaming about media bias all summer and fall too... but I don't think CNN was necessarily aware of what those changes meant at the time. Maybe. LOL.

However... CNN is now on some crusade to discredit ALL the exit polling, I've been hearing it all night. And that IS cover-up.

[malatesta1137]

15. what planet are you living on?

are you honestly asking if CNN is TRYING to cover up election fraud? CNN has been in the covering up business for years. One quick example, in July of 1996, CNN reported that something resembling a missile approached TWA 800 and it was captured on radar, but hours later changed the story, saying it was a simply a computer glitch. CNN is good for one thing only: whatever they report, you know the exact OPPOSITE must be the truth.

[Mnemosyne]

31. Great fact!! mala!! i really caught on to exactly how bad "liberal" media

skews for wh when Letterman showed kid yawning behind the Lunatic. cnnheadmindcontrolline news showed it and it was funny the 2nd time. Next thing I know they have started saying that Letterman video edited clip to include kid, kid wasn't even there.
Then, within approx. 1 or 2 hrs. they changed story again, to say kid WAS there but not behind Lunatic.

Next thing you know ( by next DAY ) analysts on saying kids typically bored at these political events, and th's saying WAS behind Lunatic.
:wow: :wow: :wow: what a surprise.

And last, but not at all the least, kid and Dad appear on faux news to explain how it had been loooong day and kid had just been tired. WTF!!!!!
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

This admin. is SO controlling and insecure it feels the need to SPIN on a KID that couldn't care less about a speech!!!

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
:think: :think: :think: :think: :grr: :grr: :grr:
:nuke:

:hi: :hi: All. :yourock:

Small incident, maybe. Implications for our future, better pray for clarity or insipid control will destroy US. Learn to see who you may trust, be discriminating and realistic, brutally so in your own lives. It will become a major factor in surviving what will come as the result of current admin's soon to ignite world anger and fear.

[Gloria]

3. kick

eom

[billyskank]

59. Bump

:bounce:

[loudsue]

6. A kick for tonite....

please post this again tomorrow!!

:kick::kick:

[jean]

7. media is bashing the exit polls AND internet bloggers - trying to

portray both as bogus.

[aquart]

14. Bogus 'em back.

I'm not watching the news and I'm a news junkie. If they are not willing to discuss election fraud, they have NOTHING to tell me.

[T Bone]

29. exactly, they have nothing to tell me

except propaganda to support the fraudulent election outcomes.

[Mnemosyne]

32. Amen aquart and T Bone. nt

[thinkingwoman]

33. I'm in the news biz in the midwest

I keep trying to get out but I can't seem to manage it.

Leave the NEWS behind. We don't need them anymore. Go directly to the people with blogs, pamphlets, flyers, public appeals one-to-one (boots on the ground).

Leave the news behind. It's the only way. They are owned by the enemy and cannot be converted.

[m berst]

52. this story should spread on its own

This is the greatest story in the last 100 years. A corrupt war mongering gang of people have subverted democracy in the United States.

Talk to everyone you know and everyone you meet.

This will spread like wildfire. The barrier isn't how to get it out there, the barrier is that people are sitting aroung worrying about how to get it put there.

Tell people that you have the most important thing to tell them that you have ever told anyone on your life, and mean it.

[thinkingwoman]

57. This is it in a nutshell...

"The barrier isn't how to get it out there, the barrier is that people are sitting aroung worrying about how to get it put there."

That line sums it up perfectly!

[timtom]

56. As soon as I saw the term "pamphlet",

the term "pamphleteer" came to mind. I had studied 18th century literature to some measure, and pamphlets were a powerful and dangerous means of communication among the politically dissatisfied. Especially here in the colonies.

Rather than attempt a half-ass definiton, please note:

http://www.bricklin.com/pamphleteers.htm

I'm thinking of doing this, myself.

Happy pamphleteering, everyone!

[thinkingwoman]

58. Remember the history of newspapers

in this country, newspapers 200 years ago were all openly aligned with one party or the other...kind of a braver version of the national news media situation we have today.

For one side to reach the other, pamphlets were the perfect choice. They should be again.

Good luck!

[Behind the Aegis]

8. Awesome!

This is something that should be sent to media outlets far and wide to whomever will print them (may have to be foreign medias). Until I draw the last breath in my body, I will KNOW that this election was a fraud; not just the swing states! I believe that smaller states were fucked with because no one would think to look there. The states where the lots were biggest and the results have been "odd," are all Rethuglican controlled. Coincidence? Perhaps, but if so, it is the oddest one I have seen in awhile!

[whirlygigspin]

10. Ralph Nader might actually get his revolution from this shit

booyeah!

[fleabert]

12. kick!

kickety kick kick kick!

:kick:

[this_side_up]

13. Who owns

CNN now? It's late and I can't remember.

[KelleyKramer]

19. AOL/Time/Warner

They own about 20-30 cable channels, magazines, movie studios, book publishing.. a MONSTER media corporation.

[Rockholm]

70. Our good friends the Saudi's own a good chunk of CNN.

[malatesta1137]

16. so?

everyone knew they were going to steal it again, posting this now is rather useless, even though I know you meant well.

If both Al Gore and John Kerry, chief victims of Republican fraud, did and will do absolutely NOTHING about two Presidential election thefts, do you think DUers knowing and posting about it will make any difference whatsoever at this point in the game?

[jacksonian]

20. possibly, but look its our election, we can demand justice as citizens

if your looking to change the outcome, that's still remote. But you just might give Bush/Repugs a black eye over this, and I wouldn't mind that at all.

Point is to get the election right.

[malatesta1137]

25. they would welcome the 'black eye'

they would simply call us conspiracy theorists and sore losers. We're still trying to do things honestly, that's why we lose.

[Eloriel]

35. Yes. I do.

Knowledge is power. The more research and analysis we can do, the more we know and can share the truth, the better off we are.

Plus, we helped make a difference just yesterday, in getting Nader to contest the NH results and ask for a recount, in the hopes of exposing the problems with the voting machines.

[malatesta1137]

39. I don't need more research and analysis

of right-wing dishonesty, I am actually sick of research and analysis.

I want their scummy asses DESTROYED.

[m berst]

53. everyone knew?

Everyone knew that presidential election was going to be stolen and talking about it is useless because some rich powerful person won't rescue us?

I don't believe that to be true, but if it were, we wouldn't deserve freedom.

"I Believe that no people ever yet groaned under the heavy yoke of slavery, but when they deserv'd it. This may be called a severe censure upon by far the greatest part of the nations in the world who are involv'd in the misery of servitude: But however they may be thought by some to deserve commiseration, the censure is just. The truth is, All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they ought."

"Is it possible that millions could be enslaved by a few, which is a notorious fact, if all possessed the independent spirit of Brutus, who to his immortal honor, expelled the proud Tyrant of Rome, and his "royal and rebellious race?" If therefore a people will not be free; if they have not virtue enough to maintain their liberty against a presumptuous invader, they deserve no pity, and are to be treated with contempt and ignominy."

quotes from Sam Adams

[shelley806]

17. I agree with everything you've said...and I'm relieved. Thank goodness

I'm not the only one! I really would doubt my sanity. I was awake when CNN changed the exit poll and I downloaded the page. Also I've heard (really haven't felt like listening to the media at all lately) but CNN is trying to explain away exit polling even saying such absurd things as "the Dems were just less intimidated, more vocal about offering their choice of vote!!"

Several other examples of spin cover-up; maybe you will agree. Repeated times pre-election suggesting that many more Blacks and Hispanics, and Israeli Jews were switching to B* this election...almost as if setting the reporting prior to the election, so no one would really be that surprised. And the Moral Issues GARBAGE...We have criminals in the WH! But it was as if the media had to explain why to everyone who rightly believed Kerry was going to win. Why didn't he? Oh, it must be the "moral issue." People who vote for morality are not likely to be too supportive of war...I think this was all cover-up for a President who would have lost big time if it were not for aid by his campaign contributing election cheating machine designers and owners. What a sickening mess. Who is going to believe all of this? Probably not even Kerry.

[Mnemosyne]

36. There are many of us tinfoil hatter's out here, shelley!

I've had mine on since 1974, when i heard of the ci( al qua d)a MKultra mind control experiments. may have year wrong, but was mid 70's.

And even with it on, still was somewhat influenced by media news until:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2615664&mesg_id=2615664

see my response #32

:tinfoilhat:

:hi:
:nuke:
:silly:
:smoke:
:bounce:

Have a nice day.

Seriously all, stay alert and safe. We care.

[KelleyKramer]

18. Remember the AP article 2 wks ago saying Bush won

Not sure exactly 2 weeks ago, but there was an AP article that came out well before the election saying that Bush had won.

Also, the Ohio SoS website had Bush winning (with FINAL numbers) on the NIGHT BEFORE the election.

The tv station website where the AP article appeared had an excuse that it was a 'test article' and is common, but searches did not find any other AP test articles, not on any subject.

So, if they prepare the media stories in advance.. Well, there it is!

[Polly Glot]

50. DU Link to the AP article here

DU'er Equipoise was kind enough to share a copy of that AP 'test' article on this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x1624

I hadn't heard about SOS SOB Blackwell having posted ** winning the night before the election. I wonder how well his prescient numbers correlated to the post-election reported tally?

[PsychoDad]

21. Kick for the early morning crowd...

eot

[AliceWonderland]

22. Very interesting

Here's what struck me: the meme of "moral issues" that seemed to come out of nowhere and take the talking-head echo chamber by storm. Right up until the election, it was security security security. Everyone was talking about Iraq, how this was a referendum about the War on Terror, that Bush was running on a foreign policy platform, etc. If "moral issues" had truly been THE abiding concern running through the pro-Bush sections of the American electorate, I would think if would have emerged as a theme somewhere in the campaign. I'm one of the crazy souls who monitored FR during election season, because I was curious how they saw Bush's obviously floundering and doomed campaign. FR was all about the War on Terra, Iraq, foreign policy, etc. Sure, general issues like religion and abortion were mentioned, but in terms of the election issues, it was Iraq/Terra and Kerry personally.

Then, bang, right after the election, there was a whole tidal wave of commentary saying that of course it was about "moral issues" -- heck, it had been all along.

Whenever anything comes out of nowhere and becomes all the rage overnight -- and in this case, it really was overnight -- I raise an eyebrow and look a little closer. We are now being told that across the country, there was a silent understanding to make this election a moral referendum and no one picked up on that until the morning of November 3.

I suppose it's not out of the realm of possibility. However, when taken in the context of an election that was fishy at best, laughably fraudulent at worst, it starts to look like a PR blitz to explain suspicious results. And what a great PR theme! Nothing gets people worked up like a buzz-phrase such as "moral issues." Everyone gets to tear each other apart and talk about Jeebus and hate on the South and generally have a grand old time.

Mr. Alice and I talked this out extensively, and he recalled a poll the night before the election -- it struck him as odd at the time. It was saying that security moms weren't really as worried about security as they were about morals, despite what we'd been told all along.

Just some random thoughts. But I agree with your general point, most certainly: whenever there seems to be a PR machine in place, prepared and waiting, I hear more than a few warning bells.

[KittyWampus]

27. Yup, The "Morals" Exit Poll Which Is Magically Correct & Trumpteted

while exit polls shoiwng Kerry winning are wrong.

The Morals stuff was TOO orchestrated.

Morals was NOWHERES near the top on people's Issues List.

Shithead couldn't get numbers on terrorism or economy so they faked the Morals angle.

[scottxyz]

65. I think you're on to something here

In the last few weeks before the election, Bush's approach to terrorism was exposed as a complete mess:

- Kerry accused him of "outsourcing" the effort to get Bin Laden at Tora Bora

- Iraq announced that 380 tons of high-grade explosives had gone missing after the invasion

- Bin Laden showed up with a video at 4pm on the Fri before the election, making fun of Bush

All this mess came on top of Bush's miserable performance in the debates.

The solution?

- Manipulate the voting machines.

- Blame Bush's "victory" on anti-gay-marriage and anti-abortion voters.

[leftchick]

24. Was the CIA Actually Involved in the Vote Tampering?!?

This is an aspect that had not occurred to me before, though I don't know why......

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110604.html


~snip~
Theoretically at least, it is conceivable that sophisticated CIA-style computer hacking – known as “cyber-warfare” – could have let George W. Bush’s campaign transform a three-percentage-point defeat, as measured by exit polls, into an official victory of about the same margin.

Whether such a scheme is feasible, however, is another matter, since it would require penetration of hundreds of local computer systems across the country, presumably from a single remote location. The known CIA successes in cyber-war have come from targeting a specific bank account or from shutting down an adversary’s computer system, not from altering data simultaneously in a large number of computers.

To achieve that kind of result, cyber-war experts say, a preprogrammed “kernel of brain” would have to be inserted into election computers beforehand or teams of hackers would be needed to penetrate the lightly protected systems, targeting touch-screen systems without a paper backup for verifying the numbers.

Though there's still no proof of such a cyber-attack, suspicions are growing that the U.S. presidential election results were manipulated to some degree. Voting analyses of some precincts in Florida and Ohio have found surprisingly high percentages for Bush. Others have noted that the large turnout among young voters and the obvious enthusiasm of John Kerry’s voters would have suggested a better showing for the Democrat.

[KittyWampus]

28. CIA Is Not Necessary. Just One Person In County Tabulating Location

so PLEASE drop the CIA stuff.

Things are much simpler than that.

[oldlady]

26. couple of things

I'm no political expert...but I have participated in exit polls. An innocuous smiling person handed me a sheet of paper, a questionairre, and provided me a place to complete it in private and drop it into a box (you know, like voting in the olden days). Why would I be intimidated to state my choices? It was anonymous. It was private. To say exit polls intimidate persons to misrepresent their choices is to say voting intimidates persons to misrepresent their choices, since it's the same process.

Also, I don't get how the 20% figure used openly for fundamental Christians present in our population accomplished a 51% plurality. Even if 100% went for Bush, how was that responsible for such a jump in popular support? There was a lot of Christian anti-war vote among the voters and churches I know (course, I'm in a blue swing state).

things that make you go, hmmmmmmm...

[Carl Brennan]

30. Now I know why I was so pissed at how they word this

question about the exit polls.

The question should be: "Why were the exit polls and vote counts so different".


Who is framing these questions like this and then feeding them to the media? How is it operationalized?

[Locrian]

34. clock is ticking!!

Wanna bet Rove has diversions planned if the FRAUD story gets legs??? Look for terror alerts, AlQuada attacks, etc and a "lets all come together".

We will need to hammer this and quick - all the while anticipating the distractions and diversions that will be layered upon us.

It is fraud, conspiracy. This is treason of the highest order.

[Mnemosyne]

37. Without doubt, billcat, the most treasonous acts ever committed in

the history of AMERICA, Our country.

[Crowdance]

38. kick n/t

[AnIndependentTexan]

40. bump

[zeemike]

41. I came, I read, I agree

[Only Me]

42. Kick. n/t

[Blaze Diem]

43. And how do we bring our Nation back to Democracy? How in the

world do we expect to prove "treason" and hold those accountable when the courts, the House and Senate are protecting Bush/Cheney/Rove like ants to their queen?

We can make all the noise and show absolute proof, but didn't we do that throughout the campaign?

I am somewhat hopeful of the EUs uniting to save the world from Bushet.al.
EU is afterall wise to dictatorial governments. They have fought long battles to be rid of them and paid dear prices for such governments.
Perhaps they can lend some of their knowledge to stopping this Bush Reichstag from global disaster.

I believe it will take a global effort at this point in history.
Sad and frightening for our America.

[jdj]

44. I have to agree about the trolls

they protest too much, methinks

(and there are two many of them, too)

[oasis]

45. CNN has been promoting Bush for 3 1/2 years and now they help him steal

another election.

[shelley806]

46. Re-read this post this afternoon and wanted to kick it....

I had mentioned the curious reporting before the election about the erosion of the typical Democratic base, with more Blacks, Hispanics and Pro-Israeli Jews voting for B*, and their post election claims that it was won on a "moral mandate"--the later statement makes me so ill because it is such a heinous lie. I'd forgotten about the immediate post election spin about the failure of the youth vote. I don't have a link for it, but this is not correct...they did vote in high numbers and favored Kerry. Anyone have any info on this?

[Cerridwen]

47. Thanks. Kicking. Kicking.

:kick: :kick:

[Me.]

48. A Kick For Prouty

[Butterflies]

49. Kick

[AnIndependentTexan]

51. NEVER SURROUND AND NEVER FORGET

[Mnemosyne]

54. Just wanted to give a kick

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[AzDar]

55. kick n/t

[donkeyotay]

60. Yep. Nail. Head

"One particulary smelly aspect of any coverup is the "media blitz" planned a long time before the conspiracy happens."

That, and the fact that we know these lying whores lied before.

Don't forget CNN's phoney hooey on the toppling of Sadam's statue.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

61. EXACTLY! just like they had all 19 oh the hi-jackers names and pics out

on 9/12...everyone of them...it all STINKS!

[oasis]

62. kick

[Rush1184]

66. Which explains....

Why * did not have to leave that classroom durring 9/11.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

68. exactly

[prayin4rain]

64. So creepy... n/t

[librechik]

67. kick

[Hubert Flottz]

71. Fee Fie Fo Fum!

When I smell freeper I hit the lert button!

[harpo]

72. I smell it too