This:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2615512...isn't the first thread I've seen on the subject. And, folks, I understand, as well as anyone, why it's blowing the treads off your tires -- the first time I heard a so-called "Christian" spew such delusional, hate-filled garbage, I was shocked out of my skin.
I'm guessing that this is the first exposure a lot of DUers are getting to the inner working of the Radical Religious Right mindset. On one hand, I'm glad to see a few new people scared to death by this kind of talk, because it means that many more folks have become aware of what's really at the base of *'s "base."
On the other hand, I'm sorry you have to go through this shock, especially this week.
In any case, trust me -- what
that particular nutbag wrote is
tame.
Now, I don't know whether or not if what I'm posting below is going to have the desired effect -- that is, to illustrate that there is nothing new about this kind of insanity on The Right... and, more importantly, to make you think about some of the ways we might be able to send "normal" Christians into the same state of shock you're experiencing now.
See, I don't believe a full 51% of the nation is that far out to lunch. I think plain, ordinary, God-fearin' conservatives simply do what they're told to do, and think what they're told to think -- and I am convinced that a huge majority is so uninformed, they have no idea that The Big Picture (as envisioned by the movers and shakers in the Reconstructionist movement) is to actually kill us all -- "all" being queers, atheists, feminists, and oh yes, garden-variety liberals.
Think about your stupid cousin who voted for * because "he's a good man, and a Christian." Oh, wait, that was
my stupid cousin... but you get the point: Most people in this country aren't evil -- only dangerously ignorant. Do you
honestly believe that
every * supporter in this country wants to kill us? They may hate gays and pro-choice feminists, but in reality, how many of them really want to stone us to death in the streets (freerepublic notwithstanding)? Most of them are just like my stupid cousin.
So, since we already know that trying to rationalize with them is a wasted effort, how about shocking the shit out of them, and
showing them what a theocracy really means? (Without using such big words as "theocracy.")
They say we don't know how to talk to conservatives? Okay, fine, so let's talk to them in language they'll understand.
If we can figure out how to expose the true underpinnings of the Radical Religious Right, in their
own forums, we might knock a few idiots into awareness.
Caveat: I do fear that what follows below may do nothing but further depress a lot of people -- so if you don't think you can handle some of the worst hatemongering you'll ever see, stop reading now, and go to the Lounge and look at some nice kitty pictures instead.
That said, here, in no particular order, is a very small sampling (from a massive list of quotes I have been compiling off and on for many years) of the kind of murderously hateful
evil that leads the Radical Religous Right.
One more thing: Bear in mind that not all of these wingnuts are the twins of Fred Phelps; we're talking
leaders in the Christian Reconstruction movement, and opinion-makers via the "religious" broadcasting that pollutes the airwaves 24/7:
When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed.
-- Randall Terry, Operation Rescue, to doctors who perform abortions, August 8, 1995
We are to make Bible-obeying disciples of anybody that gets in our way.
-- Jay Grimstead, February, 1987
God, we proclaim death to anything or anyone that will lift a hand against this network and this ministry that belongs to You, God. It is Your work, it is Your idea, it is Your property, it is Your airwaves, it is Your world, and we proclaim death to anything that would stand in the way of God's great voice of proclamation to the whole world. In the Name of Jesus, and all the people said Amen!
-- Paul Crouch, Trinity Broadcasting Network, November 7, 1997
Unless we get medically lucky, in three or four years, one of the options discussed will be the extermination of homosexuals.
-- Discredited Christian "researcher" Paul Cameron, 1985 Conservative Political Action Conference
Read the parable of the Wheat and the Tares in Matthew 13:24-30 and you will see that at the end of this age the angels are sent forth to remove evil from the earth. That word 'angels' also means 'messengers.' So God may use some of us to finish up the work of this age.
-- Paul Crouch, Praise the Lord Newsletter, March, 1994
Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism.
-- Randall Terry, Operation Rescue, August 16, 1993
The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant -- baptism and holy communion -- must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel.
-- Gary North, Political Polytheism: The Myth of Pluralism
Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol.
-- Rev. Joseph Morecraft, Chalcedon Presbyterian Church, August 31, 1993
Tolerance is the worst roar of all, including tolerance for homosexuals, feminists, and religions that don't follow Christ.
-- Josh McDowell, 1994 Youth for Christ rally
I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good.
-- Randall Terry, Operation Rescue, August 16, 1993
It is the stated goal of orthodox Christianity to preach the gospel of salvation in Christ to the Jews, until not a trace of the traditional practices of Judaism remains.
-- Gary North, Institute for Christian Economics
AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah's chariotiers.
-- Jerry Falwell
We're going to bring back God and the Bible and drive the gods of secular humanism right out of the public schools of America.
-- Pat Buchanan, campaign address at an anti-gay rally in Des Moines, Iowa, February 11, 1996
Salvi deserves a medal. He's a hero.
-- New Hampshire anti-choice activist Andrew Cabot, referring to to John C. Salvi III, who murdered two and injured five other employees at two Massachusetts abortion clinics in 1994, New Hampshire Sunday News, January 1, 1995
We love you. Thank you for what you have done in the name of Jesus. As long as the deed is done to save innocent babies being put to death, any action to save those babies... is moral and just.
-- Donald Spitz of Pro-Life Virginia, praising convicted abortion-clinic murderer John Salvi, Washington Post, January 2, 1995
We... do officially declare war on the child-killing industry...every pro-life person should commit to destroying at least one death camp or disarming at least one baby killer.
-- Army of God Manual, 70-page manual on methods of killing abortion providers and forcibly closing women's health centers. Kansas City Star, February 25, 1997
If you think abortion is murder, act like it.
-- Randall Terry, Operation Rescue, US News and World Report, January 14, 1994
More violence is inevitable, and it is righteous... It wouldn't bother me if every abortionist in the country today fell dead from a bullet.
-- Charles Roy McMillan, Executive Director, Christian Action Group, Jackson, Mississippi, Time March 27, 1995
It occurs to me: Was Moses arrogant and unbiblical when he instructed the Israelites to kill every Canaanite in the land (Deut. 7:2; 20:16-17)? Was he an elitist or (horror of horrors) a racist? No; he was a God-fearing man who sought to obey God, who commanded them to kill them all.
-- Gary North, The Sinai Strategy: Economics and the Ten Commandments (Tyler, TX: Institute for Christian Economics, 1986), p. 214n.
They would have us believe that Islam is just as good as Christianity. Christianity was founded by the virgin-born son of God, Jesus Christ. Islam was founded by Muhammad, a demon-possessed pedophile who had 12 wives, the last one of which was a 9-year-old girl.
-- Rev. Jerry Vines, former president of the Southern Baptist Convention (1988-1990), at the 2002 Southern Baptist Convention
If Christian people work together, they can succeed during this decade in winning back control of the institutions that have been taken from them over the past 70 years. Expect confrontations that will be not only unpleasant but at times physically bloody. This decade will not be for the faint of heart, but the resolute. Institutions will be plunged into wrenching change. We will be living through one of the most tumultuous periods of human history. When it is over, I am convinced God's people will emerge victorious.
-- Pat Robertson, Pat Robertson's Perspective, Oct.-Nov. 1992
It is your god-given right to destroy any man or woman calling themselves doctors who willingly slaughter innocent children.
-- Keith Tucci, Executive Director, Opration Rescue
Lesbian love, sodomy are viewed by God as being detestable and abominable.... Civil magistrates are to put people to death who practice these things.
-- Christian radio talk show host Rich Agozino, Crosstalk, KBRT-AM 740
The State carries the power of the sword, that is, the power to prohibit
conduct with physical penalties, such as confinement and even execution. It must use that power to prevent the subversion of children toward this lifestyle, to not encourage a criminal lifestyle.
-- Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore
Those who practice homosexuality should swiftly be put to death by the government. God emphatically condemns the practice of exchanging proper gender characteristics among men and women. God justly calls for the death penalty for anyone who practices homosexuality.
-- Citizens for the Ten Commandments
The Bible doesn't say that homosexuals should be executed. What it says is this: "If two men lie together like a man and a woman lie together, they are to be put to death. "
-- Gary DeMar, "Sound Off," WSB, Atlanta, Georgia, January 4, 1991
God told the Israelites to kill them all: men, women and children; to destroy them. And that seems like a terrible thing to do. Is it or isn't it? Well, let us assume that there were two thousand of them or ten thousand of them living in the land, or whatever number, I don't have the exact number, but pick a number. And God said, "Kill them all." Well, that would seem hard, wouldn't it? But that would be 10,000 people who probably would go to hell. But if they stayed and reproduced, in thirty, forty or fifty or sixty or a hundred more years there could conceivably be ... ten thousand would grow to a hundred, a hundred thousand conceivably could grow to a million, and there would be a million people who would have to spend an eternity in Hell! And it is far more merciful to take away a few than to see in the future a hundred years down the road, and say, "Well, I'll have to take away a million people, that will be forever apart from God because the abomination is there." It's like a contagion. God saw that there was no cure for it. It wasn't going to change, and all they would do is cause trouble for the Israelites and pull the Israelites away from God and prevent the truth of God from reaching the earth. And so God in love -- and that was a loving thing -- took away a small number that he might not have to take away a large number.
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club
When people curse their parents, it unquestionably is a capital crime. The integrity of the family must be maintained by the threat of death. ... And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him.
-- Gary North
Wonderful things were to be seen. Numbers of the Saracens were beheaded ... Others were shot with arrows, or forced to jump from the towers; others were tortured for several days, then burned with flames. In the streets were seen piles of heads and hands and feet. ... It was a just and marvelous judgement of God, that this place should be filled with the blood of unbelievers.
-- Raymond of Aguilers, describing the 1099 massacre of Jerusalem by Christian Crusaders
As a Christian I have hope not just for this life but for Heaven and the life to come. And many of those people who died this past week are in Heaven right now. And they wouldn't want to come back; it's so glorious and so wonderful. And that's the hope for all of us who put our faith in God. I pray that you will have this hope in your heart.
-- Billy Graham, looking at the bright side of 9/11, in his speech at W's National Day of Prayer and Remembrance service at Washington's National Cathedral, September 14, 2001
Mrs. O'Hair died horribly, a victim of the world she helped to shape. Without the Deity she fought so hard against, there is no right and wrong, increasingly people are ruled by their passions and humanity is a tragedy waiting to happen.
-- Christian zealot Bill Murray, condemning the atheism of his mother, Madlyn Murray O'Hair
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.
-- Then-Vice President and presidential candidate George Herbert Walker Bush, 1988