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Sat Nov-06-04 10:13 AM
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So if they/we proved beyond a shadow of a doubt |
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Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 10:14 AM by pjeffrey4444
that the election was fixed with BBV. Then what?
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Sat Nov-06-04 10:16 AM
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1. Then the court cases come (I think) |
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Which is one of the reasons why I'm glad Nader is in the recount fight. Before he was an election spioler, he was a mastermind at using the courts to advance the common good.
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Sat Nov-06-04 10:17 AM
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2. Well, if that's the case, then as the Earth revolves 'round the sun... n/t |
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Sat Nov-06-04 10:17 AM
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3. We get EVERYTHING recounted before the electoral college, |
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and then Kerry gets installed as President. My goal, anyway, if what we suspect is true. However, if auditing the voting records just shows they are correct, then we get humble and start the healing. :)
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Sat Nov-06-04 10:18 AM
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4. That's a lovely thought |
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but somehow I don't see these thugs giving up power easily.
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Sat Nov-06-04 10:44 AM
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7. Electors chosen by state certification |
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State certification has to be challenged quickly in whatever way possible. The timid hacks that become electors would not even be moved by anything short of immediate impeachment.
Without the resources of the Democratic party we have truth and vision and commitment but no power. With the Democrats we have abdicated most ordinary avenues of power and process. The private suits in Florida were ruined in part by the Democratic Party giveaway principles and positions. The later NAACP lawsuit against Florida was shamefully inadequate without party of government backing.
I think we are talking about outside the system revolt with the trick of civil disobedience taking the law respectfully but not the legitimacy of its current legislators and executives.
David bravely go up to Goliath. Looks for stones. There are none. "This time no violence," God says. "If I had known that I wouldn't have joined this chicken outfit in the first place much less volunteer for this," David fumes. The hand of God, with wristwatch descends. "Time is running out."
Across the river the armored buffoon stands with massive spear backed by an army of smug, hooting Philistines. The Israelite army is watching David curiously, expecting another but not personally threatening, disappointment.
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Sat Nov-06-04 10:18 AM
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Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 10:19 AM by pjeffrey4444
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Sat Nov-06-04 10:32 AM
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Petition and national strike ultimatum. Total Recall. That along with the hopeless court task. I think after listening to the experienced NAACP lawyers and what they got out of suing the state of Florida, that a token effort in that direction is all it merits. It is up to the elected schmoes to prove their legitimacy in action on this issue, not vice versa with us crawling on our hands and knees through a Kakaesque process that will linger and dwindle into dead ends.
Is there some magic number that says this much vote fraud is acceptable to ignore and legitimize the outcome? The overlords seem to think so. Without standards we have to demonstrate otherwise and bring down confidence in the charade by an outside the box non-partisan political campaign.
Every citizen should sign and mail a handwritten letter of no-confidence to..???(ideas here, all of a sudden I am not sure) Maybe make Ralph Nader read and count each one under strict supervision.The secretary general of the UN? Our vote is gone. To win it back we should call upon the citizenry to temporarily forego the privilege of privacy. The alternatives can be much much worse.
A mailing to all addresses in the country on the facts and sources of fraud should be done, not relying on media. That'll cost.
Our own spam might be helpful. At least it would hasten a government crackdown on spam.
Unite strategies somewhere. Last time we had petitions, and boycotts, and web sites and this and that, more or less impotent and small and fizzling. I suggest MoveOn as a start but some non-polarizing experienced advocacy group would be nice if we could find any not smeared with labels or compromised. Funny how the anti-globalization coalition of odd bedfellows is so isolated and small. Maybe we could turn that around? The thick skulled libertarians have any integrity?
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