Surviving the Christian Reich of America and Pope George I

[Cleita]

Hey DU’ers. It’s time to knuckle down and plan how we are going to get through this nightmare in our history. People have been surviving and even thriving in spite of evil empires throughout history. We need to learn some lessons from them. Also, I will give you my wisdom acquired from surviving four years of the most totalitarian regime known to mankind, Catholic boarding school.

First remember that the elite Patrician Romans had a healthy fear and respect for the mob. This is why Roman emperors provided bread and games to keep them quiet. They knew the mob far outnumbered them and even the Roman legions would not be able to put down a rebellion for long and there was always the possibility the legions could join them. I don’t think our new Pope has learned that fear yet, so we need to teach it to him much as my class taught the nuns to fear us. Yes, they did fear us.

I ran into one of my teachers years later and after I was out in the world working. We had a nice chat. I was surprised that she had remembered me. But she said our class was one that no one forgot. She told me that when our IQ tests came in, we were divided down the middle between very high IQ’s and very low. There were no average IQs in my class.

They also became aware that we had solidarity. We moved as one and the dumb kids followed our lead not theirs. The time honored technique of cultivating snitches didn’t work with our class. (Snitches were taken care of in the showers of the gym. So after our freshman year there weren’t any who were willing to risk it.) She said all the sisters breathed a sigh of relief when we graduated. Remember we liberals are smarter than the conservatives. We can make them fear us.

So first we have to form alliances. Organize informal clubs of like minded people from your work, your church, your school and your neighbors. Unionize any chance you get. Identify the leaders among you and pledge your allegiance to them. In today’s climate of de-regulation and laissez faire economics, the only way you have any bargaining power is as a group.

This is the most important aspect of surviving fascism. You have to stick together and you have to force your government representatives to do what you want them to do even if they are right wing nut jobs. Remember the mob rules. Demand your bread and games. We need to be on top of every piece of legislation they try to pass and do everything in our power to block it or at least register our disgust with the new dictator and his followers. We need to let them know we exist and we can become dangerous if crossed.

United we are a force to be reckoned with so we need to use these months between now and the coronation in January to organize. Have a regular place designated to meet in. I suggest a public park when the weather is nice, and a friendly pub or church at other times.

Now about laws and rules, feel free to break them. The only rule and cardinal rule is: DON'T GET CAUGHT! This was the main rule we all lived by in Catholic school. The fascists keep their power by expecting you to follow the rules while they break them with impunity. Also, the rules keep changing to accommodate their convenience, not yours. You don’t have to obey. Do as they do. Keep up the appearance of being law-abiding while you cheat behind the scenes. By cheating, I mean cheat on your taxes.

Yes, by all means do. Don’t claim one cent of income you don’t have to. As long as your money is being robbed and spent on illegitimate wars, you have a moral obligation not to pay taxes. Jen6 has a thread here called “The Campaign to Starve the Beast”.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2600099


Since I live in California, I have no intention of paying anymore sales tax than absolutely necessary as long as I have a sexual predator as a governor, so most of my shopping will be done at farmer’s markets, swap meets and yard sales. Because I don’t have access to public transportation, I have to buy gas, but I will make a point of driving as little as possible.

So fellow patriotic Americans do not despair. Organize a resistance like the French and Dutch did under Nazi occupation. This is no different. Our real government doesn’t exist anymore. America is no longer free, and is being ruled by a shadow government called the PNAC so we must organize, group together, plan and help each other. Add any ideas I haven’t thought of.

Vive, le resistance!

[genius]

1. First, we need to stop the death camps This isn't a joke

FEMA created 600 concentration-style camps under Reagan. We need to locate these and any new ones and make sure they are and stay empty.

[Cleita]

6. Do you have any kind of information on this?

Please post links or what you have if you can. This is really scary.

[Karenina]

10. Here ya go.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1446190#1446457

[Vincardog]

2. Well said. In addition we have to get our Vote BACK. We have to Get a

Voter Verified Paper Trail. How can you recount Florida?

[Cleita]

7. This is one of the top priority of things we need to work on,

getting rid of the E-machines one precinct at a time.

[villager]

3. yes...

...time to look to history for how others survivied odious, life-negating regimes.

Especially liked this line:

"most of my shopping will be done at farmer’s markets, swap meets and yard sales."

Doing a lot of that already. Will do more.

Starve the beast, indeed...

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

8. There used to be quite a few non-profit co-ops in California

during and immediately after the Vietnam War. People could either pay cash or barter for goods and services by offering their own goods and services. This type of semi-underground economy doesn't provide an income record or tax base for funding illegal holy wars.

Or (jokingly) maybe we could form our own non-profit tax-exempt religion where members of the religious order would not have to pay taxes to the government. It could involve the anti-worship of Bush as an evil deity, a god of death and destruction similar to the goddess Kali in India.

[Cleita]

9. I actually like the idea of forming a religion.

What does it take?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

11. It might be a nutty idea - but then nuts like Robertson and Falwell

have been taking in tax exempt donations for years, to fund the airing of their political views, while giving tax breaks to their contributors. These people do not contribute tax money to the United States and are therefore unproductive leaches.

However crazy it might be, maybe there would be some justice in a church organized to worship George Bush as the anti-Christ, to disseminate news of his un-Christian activities to the bible belt, and to shove it down the throats of the Evangelicals, while remaining completely tax exempt and offering tax breaks to contributors. It is not possible to deduct political contributions from taxes, but religious contributions can be deducted. I don't know what it takes to get tax exempt status before the IRS but it might be worth looking into.

[Cleita]

13. I really don't want to worship Bush, but

it could be a good way to get some of that faith based money without actually cramming religion down people's throats.

I mean if a few of us form a congregation based on good works, we could meet once a week to discuss philosophical things. I don't know if you have ever read the magazine "Parabola", but it deals with metaphysical and religious subjects in a non-denominational way. Articles from the mag are a good jumping off place for discussion.

Also, watching a program on cable about how the Christian religion was founded after the death of Jesus, this religion is one you could like, not the evil war mongering, hate mongering cults that have developed from it.

The central belief was love and peace. All the commandments were wrapped up in the doctrine of love, loving your neighbor, your enemy even your emperor. Love was the central religious obligation of the followers of Jesus of Nazareth. The central ritual was for the followers to meet at the home of a fellow Christian to sit down at a meal and break bread and talk about Jesus, His sacrifice to save them, and ways of being good people.

Since it was the women who ran the home, it was the women who presided at the sacred meal, alongside and equal to the men. As the century progressed, the religion became less and less about love and more about being like the Romans. Women lost their status. Rules became paramount and well, you know the rest.

Remember love trumps all; peace trumps all. So when you start getting all upset about women’s bodies and lazy people with their hands out and well you know what I mean, start thinking along the lines of tempering these thoughts with love and kindness.

Maybe this is what the real Second Coming of Jesus is about. Maybe it’s about bringing the religion he inspired back to its original genesis? I'm going to refine this concept and post something later.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

17. I'd personally have trouble adhering to a religion for religion's sake

as my idea really was a religion organized around the dissemination of political views. It would parallel the use of religion by Pat Robertson and Falwell as a pretext for talking politics, while paying no taxes, while paying nothing to support the government, and offering tax breaks to contributors, getting around campaign finance laws. Mine would be a cynical religious organization for the sole purpose of advocating a political agenda and daring anyone to try to shut it down without also having to shut down Robertson, Falwell, and the other Machiavellian and cynical Evangelical Christian nuts. But that's just my take. When the story of campaign 2004 is written, I think there's going to be mention of the fact that all across the Red States, the Churches were using their tax exempt status to promote a political agenda that paid off for Karl. Robertson, Falwell, and the thousands of other psychopathic preachers across America AREN'T paying taxes to fund Halliburton and the illegal war in Iraq. We are. My religious order would exept us as well.

[villager]

16. belief, I think.

Then, maybe ministry, and good deeeds...

[sandnsea]

4. Blue America Inauguration March

We have to let them know we're here, watching and not backing down. I really think we MUST do this.

[Cleita]

14. Yes, we have to make our presence felt and forcefully.

[Cleita]

5. I just thought of another resistance, the military one.

We need to get people together who can advise our young people in case of a draft and others, whose tour of duty have been extended on how to get out of doing service. I believe the Quakers are experts at this.

[Dzimbowicz]

15. Yes, the Quakers are very good at helping conscientious objectors

But here are a few things which will cause one to "flunk" the physical: asthma, bladder control problems, sleep walking (as an adult), color blindness (specifically the inability to distinguish red from green) and hearing problems (pretend if necessary). Also, I do not know if they would give draftees a urinalysis, but if they do, well you all know what I mean...

If all else fails, just walk into the shrink's office, wherever you are and sing a bar of Alice's Restaurant. They'll think you're really crazy and they won't take you. (Sorry, I could not resist that one.)

I'm just a vet who has been through the process and saw what caused enlistees to flunk the physical. Maybe this info might be helpful.


www.veteransforpeace.org

[Cleita]

12. Kick before this archives.

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[Cleita]

18. Another self-agrandizing

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