This is getting to me. WTF is keeping *'s ratings over 50%?

[TruthIsAll]

I and others predicted he would be under 50% after Labor Day. FREEFALL? What do we need for that, a '29-like crash/depression?

Well, its Labor Day. The whores just won't let him drop, will they?

Look at him begging the U.N. for an Iraq bailout, Afghan in chaos, unemployment, blackouts, Blair in deep do-do, overtime pay cut, the revelation of Wall Street pollution dangers hidden from the public right after 9/11, and military parent's wanting their kids brought home from the uranium-depletion capital of the world..

I say subtract 10% for his true ratings..
Yes, I know all about his re-elect at 42%.

But the whores need him over 50% so they can use the barf special: "This still very popular wartime president"
....................................

CBS News Poll. Aug. 26-28, 2003. N=930 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?"
Approve Disapprove Don'tKnow
% % %

8/26-28/03 55 37 8
8/11-12/03 55 35 10
7/8-9/03 60 32 8
6/12-13/03 66 27 7
5/27-28/03 64 29 7

[realFedUp]

1. I think the poll question really is...

Do you approve of his tie and suit combinations?

[kainah]

2. cognitive dissonance

The poll a few days ago that said (approx) 58% approve of him and 63% don't think he has a clue what he's doing in Iraq convinced me that cognitive dissonance was the only possible explanation.

[roguevalley]

3. I think a really strong alternative not asserting itself

yet keeps him inflated. If people thought there
was a better alternative, and I know that sounds
like 'duh!'- then he's in the toilet.

[Ripley]

4. Media lies.

Gotta stop it....

[bitchkitty]

5. Do you trust the polls? I don't. n/t

[ButterflyBlood]

6. his drop will slow now because his base is harder to crack

anyone who give him approval after 9/11 due to blind nationalism would be a piece of cake to turn on him. but now it's the people who really do back them. I think it'll still drop, but it'll slow. It's worth pointing out though, that number is pretty close to the percentage that actually voted for him, so it says a lot if practically no one who didn't vote for him even approves of what he's doing.

[lazyeyd]

15. voter turnout

as long as the voter turnout continues to drop becuase people believe they dont have a voice, he will be re-elected.

[newyawker99]

38. Hi lazyeyd!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[goforit]

7. Propaganda!!!.....Polls have a gun to their head. They report thru fear!

I agree with this total frustration, but take everything with
a grain of salt!

The majority of Americans have figured this out!

[Journeyman]

8. I believe there's still a lot of fear in the nation. . .

and many are placing their faith not in the man, but in the office. Against all evidence, they'd rather choose to believe Smirk is competent and thus assuage their fears, than to recognize his imcompetency and thus heighten their discomfort. This is why we see such a disconnect between his popularity and his re-elect numbers. People want to believe in his present competency but they're not stupid: At the first opportunity, many will choose another whom they have greater faith in than stay with the man who fills them with doubt, no matter how much they psychologically suppress that doubt.

At least, that's my take on it, and I've felt this way since his numbers were in the 90s.

[ButterflyBlood]

10. very valid point

too many at this point in time would like to believe we have someone capable in office, even though it's the stupidest, most worthless blithering idiot the GOP could dig up.

[gmoney]

9. at least 50% of people don't "do" news...

A huge chunk of this country doesn't read a newspaper or news magazine, doesn't watch news, and might not even listen to talk radio. But they'll support our president. The upside of this is that these people probably don't vote either. But they do spend time in shopping malls and don't mind answering a few questions while they eat their soft pretzel.

[LibDemAlways]

16. Agreed. Americans are ignorant.

Only an uninformed fool would "approve" of the worthless piece of shit unelected fraud.

I suspect, though, that the pollsters simply make up the numbers as they go along and the media dutifully reports it.

[cherryperry]

11. Hold on a minute!

The economy is tanking, more jobs will leave the U.S. day by day as more caskets return from Iraq day by day.

He doesn't have a chance.

Now, hold onto that!

Just concern yourself over working for whomever you want to get the nomination; if it doesn't go that way, work like hell for the nominee and we'll be back in the White House on January 20, 2005! Mark my words: it is written (LOL)!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

:pals:

[Ripley]

17. Read the writing on the wall...

It says BUSH IS A LOSER...

Lot's of folks are waking up to that fact.

Let's all be positive...I agree with you cp.

[Marlie]

12. It's so unbelievable...

As I've mentioned before, to keep reassuring myself as well as
others - remember one week before the presidential election in 2000,
all the polls were indicating Bush was eight to ten points ahead,
except Zogby.

I think it's just another form of brainwashing, you know, everyone
loves Bush, it must be me that's all wrong. I honestly can't
believe so many people just can't get it.. It's all controlled by the
Corporate owned media and newspapers across the country, most of
whom endorsed Bush for the presidency. Now the theme is how
badly the democrats are doing - no one knows the candidates, etc.
just more brainwashing and hiding the truth. The last six months
before the election, they will go after our candidate really big
time, just as they did to Gore - be prepared. This time the people
won't buy it.

[whyaduck]

31. I agree

with you and several other posters... I don't trust polls or the media.

I have a hard time believing this president has any approval rating at all. I personally hear a lot of grumbling... from friends, overheard at coffee shops or other public places. And I live in an area that tends to lean to the right.

[uberotto]

13. Many Americans...

feel that supporting the president is their patriotic duty, no matter who the president is.

the numbers that really matter are the reelection numbers, which for bush, I believe are below 50%.

[buff2]

23. Then why didn't they

feel it was their patriotic duty to support Clinton? Remember all the scathing remarks and jokes they spewed about him? It's the double standard that is so sickening about it all. :puke: :puke: :puke:

[lcordero]

14. here is your answer

They are trying to make it look close enough so that they can steal another election.

[KoKo]

18. People are asleep. But the disapprove numbers are moving the right way...

Up......it's going to take more time for it all to sink in. The spin this week is the "economy is recovering."

People want to believe that. Frankly what I hear is "Oh well, it was 9/11 that caused this...and we can't blame Bush....." Folks have been brainwashed that it's all due to 9/11. And, the folks I know didn't like Clinton because of Monica.....that was what did it for them. They don't want to believe that what Bush has done is worse than Monica....and mostly they just don't know what Bush has done.....because they aren't here on DU and they don't spend time on the internet on other liberal sites.

It's frustrating.....but average Americans didn't want to hear about Nixon's involvement with Watergate plumbers either. It's kind of typical.....especially without a gaggle of left wing Anne Coulters and pundits to trash Bush night and day.

Remember, also that Clinton's numbers held at 62% during the Monica stuff no matter what the RWingers through against him. So shrubbies is in trouble. .......if you look at it that way. He has folks pumping him and he gets in the 50th percentile?

We should be more upbeat.

[TahitiNut]

19. A very simple change to the question ...

... would drop the 'approval' percentage by about 5 points. If the question were:"Do you disapprove or approve of the way George W. Bush is handling the duties of president?"the (so-called) approval rating would drop by 5 points or more. :shrug:

Likewise, if the question regarding a choice between a Democrat and Bush* were worded to mention the Democrat first, that choice would gain 3-5 points.

[angka]

20. the 9/11 kneejerk continues

abetted by airtight propaganda.

[Norquist Nemesis]

27. He's campaigning domestic now

Brand new here, so :hi:.

I can't stand him either. It's lucky my televisions aren't broken with a big baseball bat--the cocky smirk is almost more than I can bear.

Then today during his Labor Day speech at Richfield, he has the audacity to "announce" he's adding a new "high-level" position to "nurture" the manufacturing sector. BAH! The only "nurturing" he's aiming for is keeping those poll numbers up! What a LIAR!!!

To top it off...he proves once again he's and idiot and can't add: (from the AP)
"Bush said the nation has lost "thousands of jobs in manufacturing." In fact, the losses have soared into the millions: Of the 2.7 million jobs the U.S. economy has lost since the recession began in early 2001, 2.4 million were in manufacturing. The downturn has eliminated more than one in 10 of the nation's factory jobs.

The president attributed the erosion to productivity gains and to jobs flowing to cheaper labor markets overseas. He suggested that jobs moving to foreign shores was his primary reason for creating the new manufacturing czar."

[angka]

30. what a joke. his buddies move the jobs.

only a republican can commit a crime and then appoint a panel to investigate how well it works.

[newyawker99]

39. Hi liburl!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[MI Cherie]

21. I've been polled twice in the last several years ...

... the first time, the lady was real nice and asked if I had 5-6 minutes to answer some questions. Her first one was if I approved of our then Repuke governor. I did not. She thanked me for my time and hung up!

The last time, the guy was more straight forward. He wanted to talk to the republican voter in the house. "Not in this household" I told him and he hung up!

If they are only polling repukes, could it be that his approval is less than 30% and re-select under 25%?

:shrug:

[sexybomber]

42. that's probably more true than you think

they can poll whoever they want to get the numbers they want. So...

Say they only poll Republicans. That would mean that 55% of Republicans support Bush. Assuming that 1. the country is split right down the middle with Dems and Repubs and 2. no Dem will vote for or approves of W, that's...

*does fuzzy math*

27% approval rating, 21% to elect.

I like those numbers more :D

[SoCalDem]

22. Phony polls..

:)

[JackSwift]

24. People like to support the President

whoever he is. They won't start thinking or talking about the election until next summer. The general public resents 24/7/365/4 politics. They hate him, and they'll vote him out. But he'll never drop below 30 percent. Bush could sprout horns, a goatee and tail, carry around a pitch fork and have the shade of Adolf Hitler open doors for him and the 30 percent would still vote for him.

I predict that Bush will not carry more than 3 states in 04.

[OrdinaryTa]

35. Bush Will Carry the South

I predict that Bush will not carry more than 3 states in 04

Bush will carry the South, no doubt about it. Every time we mention this here, it causes a fight. Liberal Southerners feel that it's wrong to dump on the South because, after all, they live there. But it's a fact that we have a problem with that entire region.

You can exhaust yourself trying to get through to middle-of-the-road Southerners, but they'll still pull the lever for George Bush. The reason for this may be rooted in the South's unique history, but whatever it is, it hasn't been put forward in any discussion I've read here. Perhaps it's something about the mystique of the South. The practical consequence is that we go into the 2004 election writing off 10 states before we even start. It's a taboo subject because of the unpleasantness, but take note: the people of Tennessee could not bring themselves to vote for one of their own, Al Gore.

[TruthIsAll]

36. They sure wanted to "bring" themselves, but doors kept closing..n/t

.

[Andy_Stephenson]

25. The questioneer says something like this:

This is Homeland Security. We are doing an informal survey. If this were a formal survey you would be instructed to appear in our office.

We only have one question.

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?"

A formal survey will be scheduled with a "disapprove" response.

Your answer please.....

[grasswire]

28. if Dems can produce...

.....a candidate that makes Americans feel a promise of safety and hope, * will be circling the drain. Flush!

[kentuck]

26. The polls ??

Are so manipulative...

[Isome]

29. I don't trust the polls!

Given the numerous lies, half-truths, and dirty tricks they've employed since the election (and before), I have no reason to trust in the poll numbers cited by the whoring press.

Besides which, I've participated in Zogby polls, but I don't know anyone who has been a part of all these other polls. Has anyone here been a part of one of the Gallup polls, or any of the others? Does anyone here know of anyone who has?

[Keithpotkin]

32. SATAN...

and his cohorts in the illuminati.:tinfoilhat:

if only i was kidding. :scared:

[Andy_Stephenson]

34. If you only were

:scared:

[bookman]

33. FEAR

In these days of the Patriot Act and such I bet many are afraid to say anything negative when polled.

[John_H]

37. Patience my friend. Patience.

You're a math guy--look at the trends. Barring another "crisis spike" isn't he at like thirty by election day if tou look at the downward slope?

Of course he won't be, but keep in mind the majic number is 47--no prez has won with a popularity below 47 since they began keeping track.

[Q]

41. Patience...or apathy?

- Americans need to understand that the American media has become just another corporation feeding at the government tit. GWB* is their darling...the corporate president* they've always dreamed about.

- How can we expect the truth from the same media that covered up Bush's* horrible past during the 2000 campaign and went on to cover up the election fraud and illegal SC decision?

- The polls are as phony as GWB*.

[DemNoir]

40. I think there should be a lot of concern over this

Dropping or not, its amazing the ratings are this high considering how bad the state of everything is. It seems to indicate that if things get even slightly better than awful, he will zoom uo to 60% in no time.

[procopia]

43. Consider this poll question:

"Fifty-seven percent say Bush is doing a better job than Democrats in finding and defeating terrorists abroad"

What kind of question is that? Are there any Democrats who are independently waging war to defeat terrorists?

[Hubert Flottz]

44. More lies like the 'Yellow Cake' stories!

Do you believe what you see on Popeye? Go talk to some repubs and see what they're saying about Bush! I do that very thing often and the Repubs I know are very sorry they voted for Bush!

[thinkingwoman]

45. the process of polling is broken

Take the recent Gallup poll claiming that 70 some odd percent disagreed with the court order to remove the big 10 comm monument from Alabama...

If you looked at the fine print beneath the graphic in the USAToday, it noted that 495 people were polled.

495!!!!!!!!!!!!! That provides a statistically relevant representation of the nation????????????????

It's bullshit. Pure and simple.

Don't believe the polls. They are truly meaningless.

[gristy]

46. Ummm, why yes, it does.

495!!!!!!!!!!!!! That provides a statistically relevant representation of the nation????????????????

There should be a "confidence" number or something like that along with the polling results. This number gets smaller the more people they poll.

I think the problem with polls lie with

1) the biased questions used in some of the polls.
2) tthe fact that they only talk to people who answer the phone. LOTS of people don't answer their own phone any more, no matter who's calling. Even more people don't answer the phone when they don't recognize the number on caller ID. So you are no longer polling a random subset of American voters. You are polling a non-random subset (those who don't answer the phone) of a random subset of American voters. It wouldn't surprise me if these folks tend to be somewhat clueless, hence Bush supporters.