I believe a lot of people have forgotten a KEY point about Kerry

[AnIndependentTexan]

Remember when Kerry was so quiet about picking a Vice President? This silence right now reminds me of it?

[LiberalBushFan]

1. You mean he's about to do something stupid? n/m

[Anarcho-Socialist]

3. No, it's that he's up to something

[lovedems]

4. What a jerk thing to say. n/m

[sundog]

37. didn't like it either

oh well

[ignatius 2]

43. As long as we are talking about dislikes, I have a mentally retarded son

and I think the name foktarded sucks. It is always easy to make fun of the mentally handicapped but is quite cruel since they are so sweet and so helpless.In Hitlers time they were exterminated by cruel,souless people.

[sundog]

47. yeah, not the best choice of a name

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

54. Ignatius, thank you for making this point.

It also offends me when people use the word 'retarded,' or slang such as 'freeptards' (I'm sure someone is going to flame me for this, but frankly, I don't give a rip). It's insensitive and wrong.

Furthermore, I sent an email to the admins. about the use of the word 'retarded' (it seems to be very popular these days); unfortunately and much to my disappointment, they chose to ignore my email.

On a personal note, my mother's nephew was born mentally retarded. He's 34 years old and has the mental capacity of a third grader. While I am proud of him as he is able to earn a living, he is unable to care for himself (he is living with my aunt, who was just widowed recently, actually). He is the sweetest person I know.

As progressive people, we know better.

[ignatius 2]

57. Yes, my son is so gentle and sweet and when people whisper behind

our backs or treat him as if he has the plague I really get mad. On the other hand, some people show such kindness that it brings tears of joy to my eyes.

You are so right, as progressives we should know better. In my mind it is every bit as bigoted as calling an hispanic a beaner or a gay person queer. Intolerance of those who are different and can not help that difference in any way is pure and simply bigotry.

Thank you for your kind words, they are much appreciated.

[MaggieSwanson]

5. lol n/t

[Pastiche423]

14. GMFAO!

Priceless

[Leilani]

23. Hysterical!!!

EOM

[smirkymonkey]

31. LOL!

Well, I think it's funny anyway.

[robbedvoter]

41. Like...selling someone out again?

[foreigncorrespondent]

50. In whose eyes?

Yours? Well your eyes don't account to much do they?

[Aunt Anti-bush]

2. Let's hope you're right.

eom

[knowbody0]

6. i hear he's good at chess

concession immediately after fraud was apparent. to get this going.feigning insanity to let others show their ludicrous sides.

[LiberalBushFan]

7. Another key point about Kerry

remember that silence during the Swift Boat attacks? This silence right now reminds me of it?

[sangh0]

8. Do you have a witty explanation for Michael Moore's silence?

.

[sangh0]

9. Do you have a witty explanation for Dean's silence?

.

[Old and In the Way]

12. Every Democrat is quiet. Not one is speaking out.

They must be in cahoots with the Republican Party.

Damn, I shouldda voted for Nader.

[Hubert Flottz]

29. LMAO!

That's throwing the freepers a curve ball!

I heard through the grapevine that he was snatched up by a UFO!

[w13rd0]

20. That's the one...

...that makes me wonder. Dean after having at first blown off BBV, was convinced and took it up as one of his main items...

[LiberalBushFan]

13. I don't know what he's doing right now.

But I'm not about to say he's finalizing his ultimate master plan.

As for Kerry chessmaster crap, I heard that during Swift Boat period as well. I'd like Kerry and Rove play chess together. While Rove advanced his pieces, Kerry would cautiously shuffle them around in the first three rows as Rove occupies the rest of the board. Then as Kerry lost all his pieces expect his king and maybe a pawn or two, some DUers would get all excited about his Kerry's chess chicanery and how he's led Rove into the perfect trap.

[sangh0]

21. You don't know, but that won't stop you from claiming he's given up

And suddenly, the wit disappears

[LiberalBushFan]

26. You're right, I've been so confused.

I thought he had given up. Actually he conceded, not gave up! Silly me!

[sangh0]

27. And Michael Moore? Howard Dean?

I notice the wit fails you when you talk of them

[GodHelpUsAll2]

32. Michael Moore

nor Howard Dean were the candidates for President. Interesting though how you would be EXPECTING the battle to be waged by everyone except the one who should be waging it.

[sangh0]

34. Why is Michael Moore so quiet?

I understand your concern over the possibility that I might be thinking that Michael Moore was a presidential candiate because I'm just as concerned about you over the possibility that you didn't realize that this thread has nothing to do with that.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

35. You're correct

it didn't have a thing do with it. So I'll ask, why did you choose to bring it up? After all, as you said this thread has nothing to do with it. Now where's YOUR wit?

[sangh0]

36. Why did I bring Michael Moore and Dean up?

Because they are relevant, unlike your comments.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

38. I wonder,

is the air really thin way up there on that high horse? Does one's eyes cross when looking down one's nose thinking they are the end all be all of relevancy? Or maybe could it be that some just talk out of their ass and never really make a coherent response when pegged?

[sangh0]

39. You'll never find out

crawling in the dirt

[GodHelpUsAll2]

46. lol

[robbedvoter]

49. Are MM or Dean running for something? Did I vote for them and my vote

was stolen? And your point is?

[GodHelpUsAll2]

58. You won't

get a straight response to that question. All you will get is a long dance around the question and some 3rd grade insult.

[quiet.american]

10. Kerry, the Stealth Candidate

I've stated on this forum I was devastated by Kerry's relatively quick concession. I would love to bow down at his feet with pranams,
should I hear more than silence from him again.

Kerry was not my first choice for President -- or to paraphrase him -- I actually voted for him before I voted against him (in the primaries). He was my first choice, but once I heard Howard Dean speak, I was a stone-cold Deaniac.

However, I came to respect John Kerry, and in the end, had to admit the people of Iowa had probably chosen wisely. I also came to label Kerry as the Stealth Candidate -- a man who chooses his moments carefully for maximum advantage.

Let's see what happens.

[Straight Shooter]

11. Would you tip your hand if you were John Kerry?

I wouldn't either.

The less said, the better.

[JudyM]

40. I agree.

If he steps forward he has to be distracted by all the inevitable Bushit, which he's had plenty of. It's enticing to think he's operating under the radar so he can focus on the issues instead of fending off those stupid flip flop insults.

[Padraig18]

15. Kerry's not gonna do jack shit!

Any thought that he, or Edwards, or the DNC are going to do anything at ALL about Tuesday is a pipe dream.

:eyes:

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

16. Paddy:

Wait and see. As I said before, the silence is unnatural. Patience.

[Padraig18]

17. I won't hold my breath. n/t

[sangh0]

28. Darnit!

Another opportunity lost.

[Hubert Flottz]

33. Just when I was getting sleepy!

You made me laugh for five minutes! I lost my tired on!

[Cha]

18. I have not remembered everything there is that

made me like Kerry so much, YET! But, it's a feeling I have that whatever made me want to support Kerry instead of ABB..will be justified.

Thanks for this reminder and all that you're doing in this CAUSE, AITexan!

[lessthanjake]

19. Sorry

But i doubt he would do that. Conceding and waiting sort of gives bush's win validity. If he honestly thought there was fraud he wouldnt have conceded.

[DFLforever]

24. Exactly.

[Cha]

25. There are other schools of thought on that

and I am of that mind.

We'll shall see what happens. There's no concrete proof yet that voter fraud did happen but I believe it did and we shall also see what comes out of that.

[Cerridwen]

22. Nice try. Some of us actually get it. - n/t

[hollywood926]

30. I was thinking that exact same thing...think about it...

Had he not conceded, the Repugnant media would have been all over him for being a sore loser and dragging the country through more hell, blah blah blah. Instead they are gloating and yabbing about their mandate and how most of the country is red.

Meanwhile, behind the scenes, people are looking into fraud. If they don't find it, nothing is lost (more than we've already lost). If they do, the concession is retractable!

John F. Kerry is hardly a pussy and, unless you are one of the Swift Boat Liars, you shouldn't suggest he is!

[Gloria]

42. Sort of related...........

Before anything can be challenged, evidence has to be gathered...

This is not one state. This is a bunch of problems in all states. Everything was being recorded. They have to sift through and see where it all leads and what kind of action can be taken, if any.

Carol Mosely Braun was just on with Laura Flanders....talking about the need to have a mastery of all the intricacies of the electoral process. For all we know, the Kerry people have that mastery...Perhaps they are building a case for a huge FOIA or Voting Rights Act violation action.

Bill Shaheen, Kerry's man on the ground in NH, just said they (NH Dems) are SUING Republicans there...And he is fired up and saying we have to take them on! He just asked if Christ would want Republicans to cheat people out of voting!!

Something must be going on, we just don't know everything....I hope.

UPDATE: Carol just took the party to task for not being as up to speed on the Repug techniques for cheating, etc. She also said that in Ohio, it was unlikely that things would work out for Kerry. However--she believes we have to really press on the election problems/cheating...

[robbedvoter]

44. Boston Globe, Nov 4, 2004 (sorry, no link)

It was Cahill who
shared the (not good) news..to the nominee who was working off of five
hours of sleep...And while a team of lawyers pressed to go to court on
Ohio at 8 am to challenge the state's vote-counting procedures, Cahill
said, KERRY DID NOT SEE THE POINT.

'He immediately just decided that in order to go forward in a time of
war, an election lawsuit was not something that he wanted to put the
country through' Cahill said."


"Kerry forces planned for a
battle that never was" (by Patrick Healy, Boston Globe, Thursday Nov.
4, The Nation section, p. A340.)

[txindy]

45. It takes more courage to remain silent and work behind the scenes

Especially when it means risking the goodwill of your own people while working tirelessly to come through for them. I mean, if this investigation doesn't pan out, Senator Kerry will have lost the support of an awful lot of people here, from what I've been reading, let alone the rest of the country. How could he possibly convince them that he had indeed worked below the radar in order to get the information available before it was 'disappeared' by the guilty? Only if this investigation is fruitful and Kerry's role in it revealed, will his reputation remain intact. In fact, 'intact' is a gross understatement. He'd be a global hero.

Just MHO. ;) But I believe in John Kerry.

[robbedvoter]

48. More courage than put your name out there under the insults of

Freepers, naderista and all media - and non-support from Dems - and challenge it though courts for 36 days - until the last resource. yeap. Courage is the name of that.

[txindy]

52. And that worked out so well, didn't it?

It wouldn't be at all futile to do the very same thing and end up with the same result, though, would it? :eyes: With the same Supreme Court waiting to make the final decision.

This is about more than an election. This is about holding those who did it responsible. The impact of that could be felt forever.

Today is the 6th. It's only four days since the election. The EC doesn't meet until the 12th of December. I can wait a month. It's worth the wait. It's worth the risk of waiting a month, for those who don't buy into this completely. What is at risk? Nothing B*sh is doing right now is something he wouldn't be doing anyway after an outright victory by Senator Kerry.

I agree that this is about faith, but it's also me about trusting my gut -- and my gut tells me that something big is going on. We can't see it because, for us to be able to see it, the wrong people would be able to react to and influence the outcome.

[JudyM]

51. Think: Kerry is being silent now knowing about the fraud allegations

If he WASN'T already on it, he'd certainly have something to say about it NOW. For this reason, I'm starting to think he MUST be working on this in his own way. Isn't it odd, though, that he's not being interviewed?

[AnIndependentTexan]

55. that is my point he just disappeared along with all the others

I'm willing to see what they do. I'm not part of the democratic party. I'm not part of the Republican party. I'm independent and I am still here cause I supported Kerry. Maybe that is why I haven't given up on this because the outcome has no meaning to me. I want to learn about the whole process of it though!

[JudyM]

59. The outcome has no meaning to you? Wow.

[AnIndependentTexan]

60. Nope because I didn't join a party

I voted for Kerry because I believed he could make a difference. If Kerry gets awarded as President that is good, but my main goal isn't seeing kerry win. It is knowing the truth of how they screwed us. The win doesn't matter. It is making sure this DOESN'T EVER HAPPEN AGAIN which is important. I have moved on, but I just want to know the truth!

[Ladyhawk]

53. I no longer trust John Kerry.

He isn't going to do anything for us. We're on our own. Again.

:mad:

[Straight Shooter]

56. I've spent a lot of years in courtrooms and have yet to see the day

that a crime is committed and within a few days the prosecutor has the witnesses and evidence in a case all nice and neatly wrapped up and ready to present to a judge or jury.

If it takes two years for John Kerry and/or Eliot Spitzer and/or whoever to get to the bottom of this, fine. The sooner the better, but the charges have got to stick and there must be criminal indictments or else they will never ever be able to make the charge again and we will be stuck with vote tampering forever.

It's about the war, not the battle, even though from my perspective it looks like one of the most important battles of Kerry's life. I don't think he wants to go down in ignominy.