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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 11:04 PM
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Recall= yes...Bustamante = winner...We still "lose"..
The repukes will still spin this as a win and they will be partially right.. They will have cancelled out a legitimate election and deposed our governor..AND, they added to our deficit in the process...

It will make them bolder..It's a shot across the bow.. They are telling us that no matter who WE elect, THEY can and WILL undo elections.. They will somehow spin it (if they lose, and they WILL), that "they" were somehow cheated ...

Ahhhnold has been annointed, much as * was, and they will not take it lying down if we prevail.. If the recall vote is even "close", the stage will be set for the "voting machine miracle of 04"..:(

Bustamante will be bedeviled like Clinton was, and who knows?..They might even try it again :(.. They are shameless, and I would put NOTHING beyond them...

My only hope is that there is an OVERWHELMING turnout, and the recall gets voted down, and Davis stays on.. Bustamante has gotten a lot of name recognition, and hopefully he will run for Gov when Davis' term is up..

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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 11:05 PM
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1. That's THEIR side of it..if Bustamante wins..they still lose
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RecoveringAsshole Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 11:52 PM
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11. How can they possibly lose if Bustamante gets in??
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smallprint Donating Member (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 11:07 PM
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2. if bustamante wins, latinos across the usa win
a latino governor of the biggest state in the union-- even if bustamante is a hack, the symbolism is very important
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 11:12 PM
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3. This is why NO is the real winner. Keep our elected Governor.
Bustamante is runner-up. On the other hand if Arnold or one of the bat-winged neo-cons lurking under the voting boxes wins, then it's time for revolution.
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sfwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 11:12 PM
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4. NO RECALL.... EOM
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 11:15 PM
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5. nice picture
i`m glad i live in il. ahhhnold the gangbanger running cali..good luck california.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 11:23 PM
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6. The GOP will have wasted Tens of Millions of Dolllars on this....
If Arnold's ass isn't in the Governor's chair after this, they will catch Hell.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 11:24 PM
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7. My two cents:
1st cent: If (when?) Bustamante wins, no matter what, he'll be considered lame duck and illegitimate. The Republicans will work this angle really agressively, and it will be hard to win the next ellection for the Democrats. Do they run Bustamante as an illegitimate incumbent (think Ford)? Do they take a risk with a new face? With Davis? It's very confusing.

However,

2nd cent: Bustamante's talk is actual very good. If he does what he says he's going to do, he'll be very successful (he's talking progressive taxation, and he's explaining how the Republicans have fucked up the economy). Furthermore, it will be a powerful message for Democrats everywhere (and he'll help get out the Latino vote). In short, he has all the hallmarks of being a very competent, successful Democratic politician. Listening to him I get the same feeling I get when I listen to Granholm. I see the very successful future of the Democratic party.
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Melsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 11:24 PM
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8. we have all already lost
a lot of money for this special election.

If arnold wins, I will be sickened. If he cares about california so much, he should donate a bunch of money to the state deficit and go back to making movies.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 11:40 PM
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10. Proof he doesn't give a Shyte about California or anything else
except himself.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 11:29 PM
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9. it's all in the spin
Edited on Mon Sep-01-03 11:31 PM by Cheswick
Democrats just need to spin better. Here's the story line:

The pugs spent millions trying to overthrow a legal election and they still couldn't get into the governors office. They didn't ralize that the people of California still believe in democracy. They may have gotten enough votes to get Davis recalled, but still no one voted for them...... How pathetic.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 12:33 AM
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12. I heard that George Shultz is helping the Austrian with his campaign
Arnold exemplifies the utter duplicity of the repubs, they are against emigrants, yet Arnold is one that holds his home country as important as the one he lives in. The connections are ridiculous, from prop #187 and that other Racist Governor Pete Wilson to his other advisor on financial matters Mr. Billionaire Warren Buffet who pays a pittance on his beachside home in California of and assessed value in the tens of thousands when actual market value is times ten higher. Buffet recent comment about raising revenues through property taxes is so typical.

Back to George Shultz, this guy is an accomplished image rehabilitator. Read this spot about how he was sent in during the Baby Doc fiasco during Raygun, that other republican California Governor


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Chomsky/DemoEnhance2_Chom.html
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Haiti offered the Reaganites yet another opportunity to reveal their understanding of democracy enhancement in June 1985, when its legislature unanimously adopted a new law requiring that every political party must recognize President-for-Life Jean-Claude Duvalier as the supreme arbiter of the nation, outlawing the Christian Democrats, and granting the government the right to suspend the rights of any party without reasons. The law was ratified by a majority of 99.98%. Washington was deeply impressed, as much so as it was when Mussolini won 99% of the vote in the March 1934 election, leading Roosevelt's State Department to conclude that the results "demonstrate incontestably the popularity of the Fascist regime" and of "that admirable Italian gentleman" who ran it, as Roosevelt described the dictator. These are among the many interesting facts that might be recalled as neo-Fascists now take their place openly in the political system that was reconstructed with their interests in mind as Italy was liberated by American forces 50 years ago. Curiously, all this escaped attention during the D-Day anniversary extravaganza, along with much else that is too enlightening.
The 1985 steps to enhance democracy in Haiti were "an encouraging step forward," the U.S. Ambassador informed his guests at a July 4 celebration. The Reagan Administration certified to Congress that "democratic development" was progressing, so that military and economic aid could continue to flow -- mainly into the pockets of Baby Doc and his entourage. It also informed Congress that the human rights situation was improving, as it was at the time in El Salvador and Guatemala, and today in Colombia, and quite generally when some client regime requires military aid for "internal security." The House Foreign Affairs Committee, controlled by Democrats, had given its approval in advance, calling on Reagan "to maintain friendly relations with Duvalier's non-Communist government."
To justify their perception of an "encouraging step forward" in "democratic development," the Reaganites could have recalled the vote held under Woodrow Wilson's rule after he had disbanded the Haitian parliament in punishment for its refusal to turn Haiti over to American corporations under a new U.S.-designed Constitution. Wilson's Marines organized a plebiscite in which the Constitution was ratified by a 99.9% vote, with 5% of the population participating, using "rather high handed methods to get the Constitution adopted by the people of Haiti," the State Department conceded a decade later. Baby Doc, in contrast, allowed a much broader franchise, though it is true that he demanded a slightly higher degree of acquiescence than Wilsonian idealists, Mussolini, and New Dealers. A case could be made, then, that the lessons in democracy that Washington had been laboring to impart were finally sinking in.
These gratifying developments were short-lived, however. By December 1985, popular protests were straining the resources of state terror. What happened next was described by the Wall Street Journal with engaging frankness: after "huge demonstrations," the White House concluded "that the regime was unraveling" and that "Haiti's ruling inner circle had lost faith in" its favored democrat, Baby Doc. "As a result, U.S. officials, including Secretary of State George Shultz, began openly calling for a `democratic process' in Haiti." Small wonder that Shultz is so praised for his commitment to democracy and other noble traits.
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