Heartland? Homeland? WTF - MASSACHUSETTS IS THE HOMELAND

[DisgustedTX]

This nation was founded on the bravery of a scant few in Massachusetts during the late 18th century whose uprising brought the revolution and creation of the United States of America.

The "heartland" was primarily a vast WASTELAND while those evil, elitist LIBBRUULLLLSS sent the British home. Some of us still remember.

[dogtag]

1. Yeah, and the French saved our asses or we would have lost

to the British! Do they even teach that fact in the fucking heartland?

[jhain]

2. and some of us still remember

separation of church and sate.

[greatauntoftriplets]

3. The First Americans lived in the "heartland" then.....

Those of us who were here when the Brits arrived. And there went the neighborhood....

[annabanana]

8. yup

from the (8)greats-grandaughter of a Wampanaog.

[greatauntoftriplets]

23. Many greats down here from Iroquois.

But WE were here first.

[prodigal_green]

4. 10 of the original 13 colonies

were blue this election. I say we dump their Texas Tea in the ocean (OK, find some more ecologically friendly place) and revolt! No taxation without representation applies now, more than ever.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

5. Yup, and these red state folks send their kids to school here

because we have the best private schools and universities in the US. They buy property here because it's guaranteed to increase in value. They vacation here because some of the best beaches in the country are on Cape Cod and Cape Ann. Yet they spew the name "Massachusetts" like it's some commie pinko state.

And to top it all off, Massachusetts and the other blue states pay 90% of the taxes. We pay for the war in Iraq, which most of us didn't want. We pay for farm subsidies in the red states. We pay to line the pockets of Bush's big business buddies and war profiteers. Our representative bodies (Senate, House, Presidency) are dominated by folks from the states that divert our tax dollars into 'faith-based' initiatives that discrimate against gays, minorities, and women. Our values of tolerance, fairness, fiscal responsibility, accountability, and education are roundly rejected and ridiculed.

Why should we continue to fund bigotry, hatred, and religious insanity? Why should my state suffer?

The Revolution began here and I think it's time for another Boston Tea Party.

[tillary adams]

6. Damn straight

One of the more insulting things during the debates was listening to Bush repeatedly call Kerry a Massachusetts Liberal. Last time I heard he was *supposed* to be president of the entire U.S....obviously some places are more American than others, depending on your ideology. As far as the term homeland -- THAT is unamerican!

[Me.]

7. And Not To Forget...

The first President in this country was sworn in, in New York and the first Congressional Session was also held in New York, not in Texas, Oklahoma or anywhere south but in the city they all like to make fun of, the city that is not afraid of terrorists and voted for Kerry.

[Radical Activist]

9. more arrogance

about Mass being an early colony. Typical of why people in the Midwest and South don't like people from New England. We don't like arrogance.

[JennC]

12. Why? Most states have something they are proud of...

[Radical Activist]

13. But most regions

aren't as generally arrogant as New England. At least, that is how New Englanders appear to act to people in most of the rest of the nation. Even the attitude of people in New Hampshire about their primary is arrogant. They HAVE to be the first primary state because they are soooo special, and they have to meet each candidate 6 times before they decide who to vote for. Iowans don't have that attitude. They take the primary seriously in New Hampshire but many of them also have a major stick up their ass about it.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

15. "most states aren't as arrogant as New England"

:wtf:

Have you lived in New England, or are you just swallowing the right-wing spin? Iowa has one of the first primaries and are pretty damn proud of it too. Are they arrogant?

New England and its inhabitants are CONSTANTLY under attack by the right wing. Thanks for participating in the constant regional bashing that is so much part of the regions with inferiority complexes.

[Radical Activist]

17. I have worked in

the Iowa caucus and New Hampshire primary. So I speak with experience when I say that Iowans don't have the same sense of entitlement about their caucus that voters in New Hampshire have.

People in New Hampshire should be credited for taking the primary very seriously. However, I would say if any region is attacked constantly on these boards, and across the nation, it is the South. I can't think of any ugly jokes about people from Mass, but I can think of plenty about hicks from the South. Who is to blame for regional division then? Obviously it isn't on the shoulders of just one region.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

20. Oh please

just the fact that you use 'entitlement' suggest we're elitists up here. That's a load of crap. And working one primary does not constitute a vast experience with New England. Living here is a completely different thing. You should try it sometime-most people are very salt-of-the-earth.

People from the Northeast have no trouble voting for a Southerner. Massachusetts gave 70% of its vote to Clinton in '96, and 65% to Gore in 2000. It's the Southerners that have trouble with the Northeast. I do business down South and have encountered this prejudice first hand (and I grew up with a Southern grandma and relatives). My dad was stationed down South in the airforce during the '50s and was treated like shit because he was Catholic.

I rarely hear comments about 'crackers' up here. I tend to hear them from my well-educated friends in NC and GA who look down their noses on 'bubba'.

[Auntie Bush]

21. So where's the link for that crap?

[Radical Activist]

22. It's in the real world

some things don't have a link.

[Cat Atomic]

14. This whole thing is a response to the regular, mainstream dialogue

that seems to assume that the "real America" excludes the West and the North East. Our own president- who's supposed to be the president of all 50 states, if I recall correctly- is completely comfortable maligning his opponent for being from Massachuesettes.

That's a problem. The hostility I see is usually from the South, though I have no idea why. If some politician from the north east decried 'Texan wackos' or 'Georgian fascists', how do you think that would go over? I doubt it would fly under the radar.

[Radical Activist]

16. True, Bush was totally out of line

but people in the South are hostile exactly because they are constantly attacked. They may not say it in the open but how often do New England party leaders and activists bad mouth Southern hicks and rednecks? I would say it happens far more often than New England is ridiculed. When was the last time you heard a joke about inbreading in West Virginia or how dumb Arkansans are?

[Cat Atomic]

18. I've heard people make jokes like that.

But I honestly haven't ever heard a politician do it. Seems to me like most of the southern insults around here started after Nov. 2nd- but I could be wrong. I'm not sensitive to it and might not even notice it, I admit.

[sonicx]

24. Dem party leaders attack southerners?

when? (i'm serious)

[DisgustedTX]

19. We despise ignorance.

[Cat Atomic]

10. You'd think the whole secession thing would come up, but it doesn't.

That seems like a pretty damned unpatriotic move to me. Oh well- far be it from me to question the "real" Americans, as I'm only a cheap facsimile from California.

[GRLMGC]

11. but you're "Godless"

You're not real Americans :eyes: