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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:51 PM
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Church donations may take a dive from us "unchristian" liberals
I had a leisurely lunch with my sister today and she wasw telling me about how many of her friends were discontinuing their donations to their churches based on the fact that the priests and pastors had encouraged people to vote for repukes.

I know of one family that has been "shunned" by their church and they aren't the only ones.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:52 PM
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1. They should find churches that better reflect their values.
They ARE out there.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:55 PM
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5. I agree.
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MaggieSwanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:52 PM
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2. Churches that used the pulpit to influence the election
should have their tax-exempt status taken away. I mean it.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:55 PM
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4. well all the churchs here in Irwin PA should be investigated
to much campaigning was going on here from the pulpit.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:56 PM
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6. The IRS means it too-they just don't enforce it.
I don't actually know that, but I don't doubt it for a second.

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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:55 PM
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14. Yet the IRS is investigating the
Tax exempt status of the NAACP for criticizing Shrub. I guess it the IRS is only interested in enforcing the law if you oppose the bastard.

From the NAACP website-

"The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) today raised questions about the timing of an Internal Revenue Service (IRS) examination of the nation’s oldest and largest civil rights organization. According to the IRS, the NAACP’s tax exempt status is being reviewed because of remarks by NAACP Chairman of the Board Julian Bond during the NAACP National Convention last July."
http://www.naacp.org/news/2004/2004-10-29.html
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:55 PM
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3. Anyone who is shunned for voting for Kerry...
should immediately go to another church. This is not why you go to church. You go to church to enjoy your spirituality and enjoy fellowship, not to be forced into thinking a certain way.

Signed,

Dawn
Proud Member of the Church of Religious Science
(They would never dare to coerce me into thinking a certain way).

Neither would Unitarian-Universalists or United Church of Christ or...there are churches/temples/places of spirituality that build one up, not tear one down.

This is unconscionable!

EOR
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:57 PM
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7. You are welcome at Universalist Unitarian Churches anywhere cuz
you do not have to go to hell.....unless you want to!!

UU = liberal and proud of it.

Msongs
Liberal t shirts
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:13 PM
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10. Yeah, I think I am going to find a UU church and join them
They are the only ones who seem to allow actual intelligent dialog about faith.
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:05 PM
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8. The unholy church
I, personally, would stop all the church going, donating etc. It should be painfully obvious that the Christian movement has run amok. If you feel alienated, pray at home.
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idiosyncratic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:10 PM
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9. I stopped going to church several months ago and may never
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 10:12 PM by apolitical no more
go back.

I have nothing in common with those people, except my Christian faith.

But, now that I think about it. I am sure of my faith . . . not so sure of their faith anymore if they can support *.

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Tesibria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:26 PM
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11. I agree w/ those people
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 10:26 PM by Tesibria
I -- firmly -- believe (for myself) in the "biblical" principle of tithing - of spending 1/10 of my income to make life better for those less fortunate and/or to build a better society.

I will not, however, provide a single penny to a church who supported Bush in this election -- either overtly or covertly.

We need to become "discriminating" (selective/thoughtful) in where we spend our money - both for goods for ourselves -- and in our charitable contributions.

Money talks. It's a fact. We HAVE to let our money talk ....


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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:14 AM
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16. Doubly powerful
When your money dries up, someone else has to fill the gap for the church budget. Enough like that and the church bankrupts.

Mac in Ga
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:43 PM
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12. I used to attend a very conservative S. Baptist church
Small town church, I only went because my friends did. I quit two years ago and have been looking for a "friendly" church since. Most of my friends left also. Still looking....
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:09 AM
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15. We're visiting a new Disciples of Christ church that's just starting
up in my town tomorrow. This is the denomination I was raised in and it is liberal. We have lived in the republican hinterland for 11 years and have not been able to find a liberal church. We just found out about this church (only been going a couple of months), and I am so excited. We went to a UU church in Atlanta for a while, but it was just too far to drive, plus not a real fit for us. We have been in 5 different churches since, but nothing fit. Wish us luck tomorrow.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:49 PM
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13. It's clear to me that many churches talked about "Kerry the baby killer"
last Sunday, days before the election. This board and others are full of reports of children coming home from school confused and upset because their teachers and classmates told them that "Kerry kills babies." There was obviously a concerted campaign to get this meme out right before the election.

I like to remind Repukes that Roe v Wade was decided during a Republican administration by a Supreme Court with a majority of Republican-appointed justices ruling in favor.

Why do the Democrats get blamed for Roe v Wade? Why is it suddenly John Kerry's fault that some people choose to have abortions? What does he have to do with it?

Nothing. John Kerry has nothing to do with abortion. The Republicans smeared Kerry with anything they could get their hands on and they bribed the churches to spread the word. The chimp administration has given hundreds of millions of dollars to "faith based" initiatives - straight into the vaults of churches all over the country.

This is one reason that I became a solitary Pagan. I have nothing against anyone's spiritual choices, as long as they don't use their choices to cheat, lie, and steal.
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