Karen Hughes privatly told Bush he was going to lose big

[59millionmorons]

I think we have them by the balls, no I dont think Bush new it was rigged, but somebody rigged it for him. Hughes knew he lost the exit polls knew he lost and we know he lost.


Election night, I'd been doing live election coverage for WDEV, one of the radio stations that carries my syndicated show, and, just after midnight, during the 12:20 a.m. Associated Press Radio News feed, I was startled to hear the reporter detail how Karen Hughes had earlier sat George W. Bush down to inform him that he'd lost the election. The exit polls were clear: Kerry was winning in a landslide. "Bush took the news stoically," noted the AP report.


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

[graywarrior]

1. Wow. got a link?

[59millionmorons]

3. link

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

[BayStateBoy]

25. Sounds Like A Lot of Hearsay Evidence. Not Promising Unless there is More.

[m berst]

59. false premise

What is needed is not "proof."

What is needed is reasonable cause for launching an investigation.

Read that article and tell me that the evidence does not reach that threshold.

[deadparrot]

2. Don't tell me that.

It just makes me feel worse.

[Stephanie]

7. I heard yesterday on one of the evening news shoes

that Bush had decided to go home instead of his party, presuming he'd lost, and that Kerry had started working with his speechwriter preparing his acceptance speech. That's how much they both believed the polls to be reliable.

So WHO was in on it?

[drunkdriver-in-chief]

17. It should make you feel better

If this story is verified then it's more evidence that the exit polls were correct and even bush believed them.

[deadparrot]

20. Somehow that makes me even sadder.

That we even had them convinced.

We were so damn close. And they stole it again.

[59millionmorons]

27. If we dont stop it now

they will still it in 2008,2012,2016,2020..........

[deadparrot]

29. I think we're all working to stop it.

Hopefully some of the big guns are quietly working, too.

[nookiemonster]

41. I believe that there has to be alot going on behind the scenes,

We know that we can't take jabs without being called partisan, however a massive smackdown will provide all the desired results.

We will take our country back.

[deadparrot]

45. I hope to God you're right.

Unlike a lot of people here, I don't hold any ill will against Kerry. I think he had reasons for doing what he did, whether they were part of a larger strategy because of the fraud or for personal reasons.

Still, I feel helpless. I'm too small and insignificant to effect any real change, but I'm hoping those with the power are using it. I doubt it will change the results of this (s)election, but I hope that it comes back to bite the Bush people in the ass.

[nookiemonster]

55. Hey,

we are feel small and insignificant.

Of course, alot of small, insignificant, and PISSED citizens can be quite a force to reckon with.

The RW will shoot itself in the foot this time. Victory will be so sweet.

Resolve. It's all we have.

[deadparrot]

60. Thanks.

I hope we all work together to get this out to the rest of the country loud and clear.

But our job would be a lot easier if we had someone higher on the totem pole working for us.

[59millionmorons]

64. I hope you are right.

fingers crossed

[Stephanie]

4. If Karen wasn't in on it who was?

Does Rove run a completely independent operation? Do they isolate KH with bush so they both have deniability?

[SOS]

11. Smells like a cover story

Karen Hughes told Bush he was going to lose at 12:30 AM? That's simply absurd.
Bush took the news "stoically"! They really must think we're idiots.

[Octafish]

Bush thinks 'Stoically' is a brand of vodka.

[SammyWinstonJack]

46. Heh!

:evilgrin:

[Stephanie]

22. LOL!

So true! He would be pitching a tantrum, screaming at underlings, swatting at Laura, breaking things.

[rodeodance]

31. the article said it was ealier in the evening that Huges talked to bush

it was not 12:30 am.

[SOS]

66. You are correct

But it is vague as to what "earlier" means. Whether 8, 9 or midnight, there is simply no way that Hughes told Bush "he was going to lose" and that Bush took the news stoically.
And why release this exchange after the fact?

[Auntie Bush]

50. Bull! Bush had the press in to celebrate his victory much earlier.

He knew he was going to win!
He knew it was rigged.

[rodeodance]

23. stephanie--good observation

if karen huges was smucked enough to tell bush he lost--then it does seem that they (bush and Hughes) were out of the loop. uu....mmm
intreging!!

[Old and In the Way]

28. No doubt they keep this election stealing stuff compartimentalized.

Need to know basis, and all.

But this is rather interesting. Sounds like she's getting her message out. Read: I had nothing to do with election rigging.

Between the rigged voting and Valerie Plame, things have got to be getting rather messy for Karl. Can't think he has a whole lot of friends on Capital Hill, in the CIA/FBI, in the Democratic Party, and the dwindlinge moderate Republicans who are fighting to keep the lunatics from completely taking over the Republican Party.

[girl gone mad]

30. After Watergate,

it must be SOP to completely insulate the President from the illegal and unethical activities of his underlings.

[Stephanie]

40. You're so right.

It's just surprising that they insulate Karen too. But there's still mystery about her sudden exit from the WH last year.

[Bosso 63]

65. thats what I would do.

[mzmolly]

5. Actually I don't doubt that. I think the guy is a puppet.

They know he's not a good actor, so they don't tell him too much.

[txindy]

15. Maybe, but our experience with him tells us he'd pitch a hissy fit

He's not exactly Mr. Emotionally Mature, is he? ;)

[mzmolly]

24. Depends on the drugs he's taking on a given day.

;)

[Pobeka]

6. If I were engaging in massive vote fraud, I sure wouldn't tell *.

He'd likely say something stupid in public about it.

This is a Rove/Cheney type of operation, I don't think Chimpy had a clue (like when has he ever had a clue?).

[Stephanie]

10. "Heh heh, it'd be a whole lot easier if we could just steal the election."

"Providing I was the one who stole it. heh heh heh. " - smirk

[Pobeka]

13. Bet it really pisses him off to know Cheney's the dictator!

... and he's just the puppet.

[Stephanie]

18. If only he DID know. They encourage his illusions.

He thinks he is emperor, the smug little prick.

[Pobeka]

19. Doh! You're right.

:toast:

[sunnybrook]

38. but what about 2000

Surely he knew because his own brother had to be in on it. It seems that way to me anyway.

[clover]

8. could bev harris at blackboxvoting.org use this info?(nt)

[rodeodance]

9. nice to know ol' karen Huges got smucked also

[berner59]

12. this IS something....

Plus the opening of this story has the FBI going to FL because this Congressional candidate HAS proof of hacking and WHO hacked it and HOW they hacked it... Isn't that the BIG story???

[kostya]

14. Kick n/t

:kick:

[Old and In the Way]

16. Plausible deniability.

All bad things that have occurred under Bush's watch happened without his knowledge. Nothing has never been his fault.

Another Bush who was "out of the loop".

[graywarrior]

21. Bush is a cult puppet

[andym]

26. FYI, CBS reported that later Rove left his Batcave

FYI, CBS reported that later Rove left his self-proclaimed "Batcave" where he was hard at "work" to tell Bush and his staff that Bush had won Florida and Ohio and would win the election.

Interesting that Rove identified himself with Batman and his high-tech arsenal of weapons and snooping devices.

[mitchum]

51. Maybe he's just excited by the idea of a "Boy Wonder" sidekick

what a truly disgusting job

[mountainvue]

32. Is this why he called the

reporters into the residence?

[59millionmorons]

33. Yes

He probably brought the reporters in after he got the wink and the nod from Rove.

[peacetalksforall]

34. The question is this....

If true about Hughes, when did they start planning the theft?

Could Hughes and Rove operated independently of each other?

In other words, if Hughes thought they would lose - did Karl, but more importantly - how well thought out is their theft? How much time did they have to cover their tracks? If they didn't have it all planned out - then they will have created a sloppy, easily detectable theft and co-conspirators will have different stories or can be cracked more easily?

Like 9-11, this theft would require a lot of cooperation - better to trip them up?

Silly?

[59millionmorons]

37. I would strart by questioning

Diebold

[txindy]

48. Not silly to think they were sloppy in covering up their trail

Even if they had been meticulous, there will always be some indication of hacking. There is no way to erase all the evidence. The trick is in finding it and then using that evidence to locate the same in other machines.

It's just a matter of time. We have to be patient just for a while. It'll pay off and in a big way. :toast:

[seabeyond]

49. and look higher class how sloppy it is

we have area 76 percent for kerry going to bush. areas where more vote than registered voters

looking pretty sloppy

i figured they started it when rove called brokaw and told him the exit polls where wrong and they needed to re check them. spent the next three four hours reversing votes, then bush went on camera in the yellow room

[demgrrrll]

53. Absolutely. They had to move fast and did not have time to cover

their tracks.

[seabeyond]

35. when they put press in yellow room with bush family

i knew there was a set up. the look on his face, he couldnt face the reporters could hardly put a sentence together. he looked funny. and just said, i am gonna take florida

that yellow room incident was odd

[City Lights]

39. I couldn't watch. Did he say he was going to "take" FL, or "win" FL?

How telling if he actually used the word take.

[seabeyond]

42. lol lol you are right it would be telling

i think he may have said win, but i just cant remember. for me to pick take though is a funny. thinking, i think it was i am going to win florida. and it didnt come out natural, it was disjointed and nervous like. lite weight in sound

[seabeyond]

43. it really felt at that point he had been told all was in place for

his win. my friend had left the room to make a call. and she came back all excited, any news,.........and i was just quiet, not good. sounds like bush just stole the election. and it went down hell from there. the shot of the room, and confusion in journalist that they were asked to go up there n short notice, and they were there for just a moment and then ushered out. it all felt odd.

but it felt like that is when they new the election was rigged for bush

[City Lights]

47. I got sick to my stomach when I heard he called the press "corpse"

up for a little git together. Deep down I knew it was rigged again although I continued to hold out hope 'til the wee hours of the mornin'.

[noamnety]

58. soon as I saw his face I knew

Yep, it was when the press was called in, one look at his face, and I could tell it was over.

[mountainvue]

36. So, where was

Cheney?

[kittenpants]

44. tearing up democratic ballots in an undisclosed location

[ogsball]

52. A lot of big businesses bennefit from the * victory

so it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that someone outside of the current administration threw the election without them knowing it.

Then again maybe they are just practicing for the Iraq elections.

[ochazuke]

54. Idea on why the exit polls were leaked

It might have been to inform the vote-manipulaters just how much work they had to do in order to turn states like Florida and Ohio to Bush.

[seraph]

56. KICK

:kick:

nt.

[Robeson]

57. kick

[Northern Experiment]

61. This would make a great movie....

Seriously, this seems like an intense thriller.
Can't wait to see what happens next. This is getting GOOOOOD.

[DeepModem Mom]

62. kick

[Bozos for Bush]

63. KICK! (n/t)