SAME COUNTIES FRAUD 2000/2004

[AnIndependentTexan]

4000 votes same as in 2000

important read page 7

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-13.pdf

[AnIndependentTexan]

1. This is why Kerry Conceded early people

We now have proof of how they cheated!

[BamaBecky]

3. Hi :hi: Mr. J. Texan!

This is BamaBecky here. Is there one place to go read all of this concisely. I have been all over this board and "our" new board. It's getting unwieldy - if you know what I mean. I guess we need to do the "hard work" (wink, wink) of putting it all together ourselves.

:yourock:

[AnIndependentTexan]

12. READ THIS THREAD

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1333866&mesg_id=1334804&page=

[AnIndependentTexan]

2. EVERY DU'ER READ THIS

Volusia County, Florida:
John Ellis, hired as an analyst for Fox TV News, knew exactly
the margin needed to call the 2000 presidential race for George W.
Bush. He was privy to the Voter News Service data, and he spoke
several times during the evening to his two cousins: Jeb and George
W. Bush.
At 2:09 a.m., the required vote margin appeared from Volusia
County, Florida. At 2:10 a.m., this margin was enhanced by a 4,000-
vote bump in Brevard County, and at 2:16 a.m., Ellis called the race
for George W. Bush. Within four minutes, NBC, CBS and ABC
followed suit. 5
Precisely the right margin appeared on a Volusia County machine
(Global Election Systems, now Diebold), amplified by a Diebold/
Global Election Systems machine in Brevard County. Unfortunately,
these vote totals were incorrect and soon disappeared, along with a
“card no. 3” which helped to create them.
If Al Gore had publicly conceded on election night, would we ever
have learned that these votes were bogus? Would there have been a
recount, and could the “Help America Vote Act” have passed, triggering
the rush to touch-screen machines?
We’ll never know, but thanks to an internal CBS report and a memo
written by Talbot Iredale, vice president of research and development
at Diebold Election Systems, we now know that the unexplained
replacement of a set of votes on a Diebold optical-scan machine in Volusia
County triggered a premature private concession from Al Gore to George
W. Bush and resulted in TV networks’ erroneously calling the election
for Bush instead of deeming it too close to call. The final “offical”
tally showed Gore losing by 527 votes, though the hand recount stopped
by the Supreme Court later gave the election to Gore.
Fox News Network, 29 November 2000: Brit Hume, host: “ ... It seems a
broken computer modem and a faulty memory card were culprits in the
erroneous election-night call of George W. Bush as the Florida winner ...
computers with a bad memory card caused it to appear for a time that Al
Gore had lost more than 16,000 votes, which seemed to put George W.
Bush up by 50,000 — at that stage in the night, an insurmountable margin.
Every network saw that as a basis for calling the state for Mr. Bush. ... ”

[The Doctor.]

4. Thanks, my comp doesn't put up pdf files... Can't get

Acrobat to work...

[prof_science]

5. I can't read any more shit like this...

...if I am to keep my sanity. What POSSIBLE argument against simple pen and paper is there?

[BamaBecky]

6. Well Prof

Are you suggesting that we use simple paper ballots? If you are, then you would get no argument from me.

[geomon666]

7. I remember one absolutely fucking stupid reason that came up was...

that disabled people would have a hard time voting. So I guess disabled people have been unable to vote for 200+ years until now where their and every other dem vote doesn't count at all.

[prof_science]

9. Indeed, absolutely fucking stupid...

...not that I can profess to know, but I'm sure handicapped voters are allowed to have an escort or helper at the polls if needed. I mean, what handicapped person would be able to use a punch ballot or touch screen, but NOT a paper ballot.

I have seen the light on this issue: as far as elections go, low tech is the only option.

[AnIndependentTexan]

8. Palm Beach County Logs 88,000, More Votes Than Voters

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2619988&mesg_id=2619988&page=

[AnIndependentTexan]

10. Lots of sources on this

"We know that in ONE PRECINCT in suburban Columbus, the voting machines were wrong by almost 4,000 votes.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20041105/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems&printer=1

"We know that in Broward County, Florida, the same type of machine had similar errors and was off by 70,000 votes.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/10103931.htm?1c

"We know that in Jacksonville, North Carolina, a computer glitch lost 4,500 votes.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&ncid=536&e=10&u=/ap/20041104/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems

"We know that in Michigan City, Indiana, a computer glitch caused a 57,000 vote error -

"We know that in Craven County, NC, Bush received credit for 11,283 more votes than were actually cast in that county

http://www.newbernsj.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalTemplates/Details.cfm&StoryID=18297&Section=Local

"That's a combined error of roughly 150,000 votes that have been confirmed by the mainstream news media thus far.

These are machines that have no paper trail. Is this acceptable to you?"

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/48089077.html

Get aboard the real story - evoting has been discredited (http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00196.htm ;

Florida registrations versus actual votes

http://www.rubberbug.com/temp/Florida2004chart.htm

Government officials ask for investigation

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2004ltr11504.pdf

Nader requests a recount of NH
http://www.votenader.org/media_press/index.php?cid=400

[AnIndependentTexan]

11. Voter News Service (VNS)

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles/Landes_Projections.htm

The news networks don't just report election news, they create it. But do they also conspire to control election results?



Voter News Service (VNS) is a top-secret private consortium owned by ABC News, The Associated Press, CBS News, CNN, Fox News, and NBC News. It's current headquarters is in Brooklyn, New York. It's been around (under different names) since 1964. It's the only company whose exit poll results are used by the news media to announce the "projected" winners in races for the president, U.S. House and Senate, state governors, and select races.



By 1964, computers were used to predict election outcomes, as well as to count votes on "punch cards." With the use of computerized vote counters and the news networks exclusive control over polling data in major elections, the gates to election fraud were wide open. Computerized voting machines have now made election fraud as easy as stealing candy from a baby.



So how could VNS help rig an election? VNS could conspire with corrupt government officials and crooked voting machine companies (whose reputation for fraud and "error" grows with every election) to come up with projections that closely mirror the expected election results. Then all that's needed is some 'tweaking' in targeted precincts where voting data can be manipulated, voting machines rigged ....and elections swung. VNS follows through with its de facto certification of election results that have already been fixed. If someone suspects vote rigging, there's always VNS to say that the results match their projections.



And with no oversight, who's to know?

[DeepModem Mom]

13. kick

[Bozos for Bush]

14. Kick, and another great post Indy! (n/t)