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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:52 AM
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How does GWB lure fundies
Here's a good short essay on the apparent disconnect of logic in associating Buxh with his Christian base:

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Selling Our Souls to the Right

I thought Christianity taught us to love our neighbors and to feed the hungry. I thought we were supposed to care for the sick and give alms to the poor. Although the Bible says that it’s easier for a camel to fit through a needle’s eye than for a rich man to go to heaven, millions of evangelical Christians across the country voted for a president who gave tax cuts to the rich while other hardworking people lost their jobs and healthcare. As a Christian myself, I find it disappointing that many Christians do not see that the basic principles that guide the Democratic Party are consistent with their faith and could improve their lives, yet cast their votes based on their opposition to abortion and gay marriage.

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Rather than siding with Bush for his position on these two issues, it would have made more sense for Christians to vote for Kerry because his entire platform fit the spirit, if not the word, of the Bible. Although he was smeared as a Massachusetts liberal who was out of touch with the average person, Kerry truly cared about fighting for everyone, not just the wealthy and the connected. Perhaps Americans doubted Kerry’s compassion because his policies only followed biblical principles, not biblical words. If so, where was their faith?

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http://www.thecrimson.com/today/article504312.html
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:56 AM
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1. "his entire platform fit the spirit, if not the word, of the Bible"
Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 12:56 AM by The_Casual_Observer
The fundie message has more to do with praying to Jesus to be successful in business than anything else. The teachings of Jesus are lost on the Fundies.
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sally343434 Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:05 AM
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4. That's about right
My brother is a self-proclaimed fundie, despite (or because of) his alcoholism, infidelity and pathological lying. Anyway, he was a big fan of Jim and Tammy Fay Baker when they had their "PTL Club" show.

When I asked him how he felt that all of the money the PTL Club collected from its followers went directly into financing the Baker's lavish lifestyle (they even spent thousands of dollars on a dog house), he said that was okay with him because, to him and others of his ilk, the level of opulence in one's lifestyle reflects their divinity!

This is an entire belief system, and that's why it is a waste of time trying to deprogram these lost souls. It's like trying to talk sense to that guy who stands on the corner in just about every town shouting bible verses at passers by.

No, instead of trying to change these people's belief system into something based on reality, you simply have to write them off as lost.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:13 AM
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5. The guy on the corner shouting Bible verses
Is much closer to to Jesus than the Fundie nuts. For the Fundies, it's all personal, it's all about the houses, bank accounts, status.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:58 AM
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2. Jim Jones
although Jones actually helped people at first. yeah, Jones without real populism. Or Manson. Cultic victims who don't care about fringe benefits. The naturally stingy rich must love them heartily.

You neither want them nor the cult leaders running society. Morally and psychologically and intellectually unfit for the modern world especially.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:59 AM
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3. I don't think it's really that complicated.
The Church Nazis tell the sheeple what to do, how much money to give and who to vote for and they do it. I like to think of it as some sort of unknown psychosis "Pastors being direct portals to god" or something along those lines. I mean if the egyptians could do it for so long why not christians. Atleast your local pastor isn't making you build a pyramid, all he wants is your money.
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loveable liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:18 AM
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6. fear and hate. very simple.
take simple people, tell them they're going to die, give them someone to hate and voila
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