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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:51 PM
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The Republican Party Will Implode
Yeah, I know most people don't see this, and the democratic party is undoubtedly in trouble, I'm not denying that, but there will be a battle for the soul of the republican party. Here's why:

The republicans owe the religious right wing of their party big time. These guys are flexing their muscle and expect pay off. Should bushco pay up with a radically socially conservative agenda via the lower courts and SCOTUS, they will lose the moderates. Yes, there are still moderates in the party. If they don't fulfill the promises made to social conservatives, and attempt to keep them hanging on, by blaming RINOs or Democrats for impeding the appointment of judges and the advancement of a socially conservative agenda, they will absolutely, positively lose the religious right. Go check out freeperville if you don't believe me.

The republican party is treading an ever narrowing path bordering on a big cliff. Why we don't see the pundits discussing this is beyond me.

The people the party is likely to run in many parts of the country and eventually for President in 2008 don't bother to cloak their radicalism in compassionate conservative rhetoric. And they're only growing bolder. I don't know if they'll make pick ups in 2006.
That depends on whether or not the economy does well, what the status of terrorist attacks is, how the war in Iraq is going, and other, as yet unknown, factors figure into the equation.

Anyone agree? Disagree? And please, if you believe all elections are forever to be stolen by bbv and other nefarious means, please try and put that aside.
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:54 PM
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1. It is the same pattern they followed with the Iraq war.
All they care about is winning the battle without any regard to what happens once the battle has ended. Just like in Iraq when the battle ended that is when things got worse. The same will happen now in the battle for the White House. They don't seem capable of seeing past the nose on their face. (Must be becasue it is to long from all of the lies?)
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:57 PM
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2. I agree. There are also what I would call "financial republicans" ...
.. cheapskates who don't want to pay their taxes for their share in our country, who think our infrastructure comes free, and who don't give a sh*t about those who are not as well off as they are.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:58 PM
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3. Problem is, it seems they no longer have to worry about anyone's
vote anymore since it appears that they control the entire electoral machinery (literally).

So, I think until they have to sweat actually getting voted out of office, they got no problems, or only "minor" ones.

And in the meantime, the Democratic Party will be the New Jersey Generals to their Globetrotters. Maybe a few will win Senate seats or governorships here and there, just to keep up appearances. Wouldn't want to have any 99 percent election returns just yet now, would we?
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:59 PM
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4. The good thing to come from this election is that the bush league
policies will run to their logical conclusions. The optional war in Iraq will be shown to be the expensive quagmire it is in lives and money. It will all be on aWol's head. The IMF is going to demand to be repaid. That debt also on the shrub's head. Public schools are going bankrupt a goal of the Idiot Bush. The regressive sales tax will be proposed. We have to work to defeat this bit of fascist mayhem.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:59 PM
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5. I see it and I semll it
under any normal poltiical circunmstances I think you are right

We do not live in normal times... the moderates will NOT rock the boat, why? Small planes... and Wellstone. I nkow ironic but they won't

They won't for the same raeson Daschle did not do much noise either (antrhax in his office, curiouser and cursiouser)

We live in a dictartorphsip now and those modearates will soon receive the message: fall in, or the long knives, literally are coming out and we do not care who we kill
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:01 PM
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6. Dream on. The facist have won and our country is done
n/g
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:10 PM
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9. Try thinking things through and reading some history
before coming to a conclusion. At least attempt to argue your point. Can't do that? Then why should anyone listen? Oh, and you can't spell. It's fascist.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:07 PM
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7. guts flying everywhere.......YUP n/t
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:08 PM
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8. So far the moderate Republicans seem frighteningly passive.
An article posted on DU yesterday indicated that now that the election is
over, moderate Republicans will speak out more.

The problem is now they've got a lame duck President who they will not be
able to control.

The time to speak against Bush was BEFORE he was elected. A few brave
Republicans did. Now they've got a monster of their own making to deal
with.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:17 PM
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10. I agree...they will eventually implode
The problem is that I think it might result in complete destruction of our country to get to that point.
The right is dominated by unquestioning types. That will drive away the moderates, yes, but they are heading the country on a very rapid course towards destruction. If we keep up the idea that we have sovereign rights to attack any country that we want (the self-defense rationale doesn't work for the rest of the world) we are going to be seen as the clear and present danger to the rest of the world. They will get together to stop us.
Will the driving force of the Republican party be dislodged before we reach that point? I hope so. However, I am afraid that the fanatics will hold power for too long.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:47 PM
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14. Your screen name is truly prophetic.
Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 01:47 PM by reprobate
We are already being attacked. Financially. The dollar has been dropping which will make imports much more expensive and we don't really export very much at all anymore.

It also means that the bonds we sell to finance the monstrous deficit in our gov't debt will be much harder to sell, which will increase the interest rate, which will be the pin that busts the real estate bubble. Add it all up and you have the probability of an economic disaster here.

A measure of the anger at the US in europe is the fact that some pundits there are now calling for those invested in our gov't bonds to sell tham and invest in euro bonds.

France, Spain, and Germany have been talking about setting up their our security for europe. And no one hase talked about it, but I have a feeling that the anger of the people of Britain will force them to join against us. There are so many nuclear tactical and strategic weapons floating around and not guarded well, that if I were in gov't I would find some way to NOT attend the next state of the union address, when in effect the entire gov't is assembled in one place. I bin laden was truly pissed at us, that's when he would strike. Hell, even John Clancy knew that ten years ago.

Talk about prophetics, I have had the feeling for several years that we, including the world, would have to go thru a really dark time in the near future before we re-emerge into the light for all people.

But then, I've always been a pollyanna. (sarcasm)
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:30 PM
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11. I agree
and I think I mentioned on another post; I know a truckload of Bush voters who are so naive that they laughed when they heard the suggestion that abortion will become illegal again under Bush. They are all the middle-class Repubs that vote solely for the tax cuts or out of racism, etc. A bunch of them vote GOP just because they drive huge trucks and don't want to face the facts of global warming. (They might have to drive smaller cars if it were true.)
All of these types that I know HATE the religious right as much as we do! But they were willing to accept their votes to keep the chimp* in.
I hope they do go ahead and start working hard on getting their religious-based legislation moving. It will scare the bejeesus out of these people. They'll be jumping ship by the droves.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:37 PM
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12. And this will help us exactly how?
they will be jumping ship, Bush does NOT need them

Look they will only get it when tehy are starving, their kids are off to war (Draft, yep they were lied to), and they have no money for medicines.

And at that point, since they voted for Bush they have no compansion from me either. They made that bed, for whaterver reason... and we all get to sleep on it.

Oh and with the machines present, bush and the Right Wing of the GOP really does not need them... they can be manufactured on election night.
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:38 PM
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13. Everything I've read seems to tentatively agree with you
It seems they have to get their act together just as much as we do. The old fashioned repugs are worried to death about the federal deficit and pork barrel spending, about SS, about skyrocketing health care costs, and pre-emptive military action. Maybe it won't be an implosion, but the alliances will shift along issue lines, and the repug and Dem parties will look very different from the way they do now..in 4 years.
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