We don't have One-man One-Vote in this country...

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Ironically and white separatist from South Africa pointed this out. Wyoming with 400,000 gets two senators and Illinois with 12,000,000 gets TWO Senators. That's a holdover to protect Slave States. Boondocks strip pointed this out earlier.

[moez]

1. I can understand someone from South Africa not quite understanding....

But it appears that you would benefit from attending a high school civics class for a semester...

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3. My point is my vote is worth 1/12000000 while WY voter is 1/400000

My vote is worth less for Senator.

[K-W]

11. No, he got it right.

In both the electoral college and senate, representation is in the first case only partially related to and in the second case completely divorced from the actual population numbers.

[Ithuilwen]

2. Do a little history research...

The Great Compromise involved establishing both the Senate and the House of Representatives -- thus, in the Senate, states with small populations hold as much clout as states with large populations; in the House, the number of representatives a state gets depends on population.

ON EDIT: As moez said, basic HS civics.

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4. The country has evolved from Slavery era laws

haven't you?

[Ithuilwen]

5. Please don't imply that I support slavery!

Nothing could be further from the case. Sure, the Great Compromise was in part made to reconcile differences between slave states and free, but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense today. I live in Maine -- never was a slave state -- and we only have a population of a little over 1 million. Does that mean we shouldn't be able to have as much influence as Illinois? No. Therefore, Maine and Illinois have the name number of votes in the Senate. But I also agree that the difference in population between the two states should be reflected. That's why Maine only has two representatives (we'll probably lose one by the next census). Illinois has how many? Nineteen?

[moez]

6. Thank you!

It's amusing that his failure to understand the basic foundations of our government somehow translate into your being in favor of slavery...

It's a wonderful little debate technique - if your ignorant on a subject.... attack.

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8. Correcting "your" spelling of "you're"

I'm not ignorant. I'm expressing an opinion. We should be like other nations and every vote should be weighted equally.

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7. Why should More people get less representation, again?

we are the only Western nation that does that.

[Ithuilwen]

9. Are you saying that Illinois' 19 reps to Maine's 2 is less rep.? nt

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10. I mean the Senate is a holdover to protect the Slave States

The Great Compromise was because the Southern States saw that the Northern states were gradually outlawing slavery and they didn't want that. 12 Million gets 2 senators and 1 million gets 2 senators. That was fair in slaveholder days but not in the modern world. Strom Thurmond was able to filibuster the Civil Rights Act because of it.

[K-W]

13. It has to do with alot more than slavery.

It is more a big state small state issue. At the time of the constitution's origin, states were basically nation states. It was state legislatures not the people who got power. The state government chose the senators and electors.

The senate exists so that big states cant bully small states on a bevy of issues. It was as much a slavery issue as it was an issue of keeping virginia and NY from dominating the new nation.

[K-W]

12. People need representation, not states.

There is no modern reason for the massively undemocratic senate.

[Abelman]

14. We need a new system

But how do you convince everyone that the Constitution is outdated?

[K-W]

15. More importantly, how do you change the constitution

when a large part of the country wants to destroy it. You cant even open up the Pandora's box for fear of a theocracy right now. It is a horrible situation.